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Anonymous 2015-10-25 02:01:13 No.499477

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I've been thinking about trying some sculpting, and recently got Zbrush.

I've seen some people "sketching" in 3d, creating concepts really quickly (pic related), and was wondering if thats possible in zbrush and how it's done, or if they're using some other program?

Also general tips, tutorials and advice is greatly appreciated.

Anonymous 2015-10-25 02:04:30 No.499480
Oh, and i'm fairly comfortable with zbrush, thats why i'm not starting with maya or sculptris or whatever.

Anonymous 2015-10-25 02:20:08 No.499483
if you are fairly comfortable you'd probably know that , yes that is very possible, mostly preferred over traditional 2d conception, based on your example i assume you want to make characters/creatures/organics then zbrush is a great way to go, learn the fundamentals of art first tho so your not just making shit blob monsters... inb4 'BLENDER IS THE BEST ZOMFG'

Anonymous 2015-10-25 03:04:43 No.499491
I've worked as a concept artist for alot of indie devs and been drawing my entire life, so fundemantals of design, form, anatomy and so on is something i'm familiar with.

And no it's far from preferred over 2d concepting. I've never met any art director who wanted 3d artists for concepts. 2d is still alot faster for concept work, but 3d will eventually take over, no doubt about that. That's part of the reason i want to learn 3d properly.

As for my familiarity with zbrush, what i meant is that i know enough abut the interface and the basics of the program.

Can you explain how 3d sketching is done? Or maybe there's a tutorial somewhere?

Anonymous 2015-10-25 03:22:50 No.499494
3d concepting is becoming more the norm, granted 2d is initially faster but with a 3d sketch you have a POC in all angles orthographic and perspective , and that concept can be handed down the pipe easier than 2d, ironically 2015 zsummit there was a concept artist talking about this very subject, pointing out the pitfalls of 3d concepting, also old school guys like jordu schell disapprove of it, with the same complaint, a 2 hour sculpt in zbrush can easily be rendered and dolled up to look near production ready, might not be the strongest design but the polish makes it look better than it is. i agree with you that no one wants a 3d artist to concept, but they are looking more towards a concept artist that does 3d, if that makes sense, i would compare it to music, it would be easier to play someone a rough melody than it would be to write out the sheet music, 3d concepts are the same. if you have a background in concepting, and you want to use zbrush i would suggest looking up 'speed sculpts', basically if all you want is your idea , open zbrush make a primitive object like a cube or sphere and dynamesh it, then sculpt the fuck out of it. one example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV-KuHzhEvY as you can see simple shape > dynamesh> sculpt>???> profit

Anonymous 2015-10-25 03:37:48 No.499499

good luck on ur quest brother

reach sculpting valhala

Anonymous 2015-10-25 03:41:44 No.499500
Yeah i see what you mean.

Theres something about the sculpts in the op that just appeals to me very much. You can tell that the approach is vastly different from the video you linked, and probably alot faster. It has to be some sort of technique or tool, right? Like how the edges are just sharp planes that are dragged out and everything looks rough and effective. Does anyone know exactly how it's done?

Thanks for the help, man.

Anonymous 2015-10-25 03:43:48 No.499501
I thank you. My creations will carry more weight than Thors hammer.

Anonymous 2015-10-25 03:59:00 No.499505
i get what you are saying, a big part of that, i will use the bottom right as example, his mask the front of it is totally flat , that is the flatten or planar brush. the torso where the skin is faceted and weird looking, that could be done either by 'decimating' the mesh or by having very low poly count and stretching the polygons, considering the scaring on the chest and the faceted look of it i would assume that it has been decimated, the hair is the same thing, very low poly mesh that has been stretched out, probably with the snake hook brush. all of that aside, they are some pretty sweet concepts, can you link a video, would love to see more. i think the biggest thing with these models is the person who made them has a really great style, some parts of the anatomy are a little off, but i really like everything about them

Anonymous 2015-10-25 04:07:15 No.499506
ah ok, thanks bro.

Yeah they're pretty sweet. It's from the developer diaries of an upcoming game called Hellblade. There isn't alot more 3d concepts in the videos, but you could probably find out who made the ones in the pic, seing as they only have 1 or 2 3d artists on the team. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbpkF8TRYizaT6GfMcKBG-RoUOQ6BJRXp

Looks really promising

Anonymous 2015-10-25 04:14:08 No.499509
nice , thanks for the link, yeah that looks pretty sweet... andy serkis doing mocap for them.. never heard of this game.. looks pretty sweet from the 30 seconds i have just watched lol.
i hopped in zbrush and did a quickie just to see if i was on the right path, if you have access to zbrush that's probably the way to go about that style. rendered in keyshot of course lol

Anonymous 2015-10-25 09:15:20 No.499554
Pathetic. No one even mentions blender and you got this salty fuck already acting like a retard.

Anonymous 2015-10-25 10:06:56 No.499561
can you explain?

Anonymous 2015-10-25 10:29:46 No.499563
Same reason nobody mentions Mudbox or 3D Coat, or any traditional 3D modeling program with sculpting capabilities, you fucking pathetic salty retard.

slocik 2015-10-25 13:39:40 No.499579
>mostly preferred over traditional 2d conception,
Just stop posting
>3d concepting is becoming more the norm,
argh, you keep doing it
>also old school guys like jordu schell disapprove of it,
dont blame him, since 3d concepting is retarded
>one example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV-KuHzhEvY [Remove] as you can see simple shape > dynamesh> sculpt>???> profit
which is ironic since the guy worked off 2d concept art ....

slocik 2015-10-25 13:44:25 No.499580
>Theres something about the sculpts in the op that just appeals to me very much. You can tell that the approach is vastly different from the video you linked, and probably alot faster. It has to be some sort of technique or tool, right? Like how the edges are just sharp planes that are dragged out and everything looks rough and effective. Does anyone know exactly how it's done?
dont be fooled by art like that, it only looks rough, but its well defined and polished up
it was nether fast or easy to make those sculpts in op post

as for technique
some of it seems like decimate low poly streaching, probably deforming a base mesh with twist modifiers snake hook and move and then decimating the messy topo for a structure of flat elongated shapes
rest looks like hpolish trim dynamic planar and clay brush

slocik 2015-10-25 14:31:33 No.499582
fuck, i meant dynameshing low poly streached geo with high dynamesh resolution
not decimating

Anonymous 2015-10-25 15:29:07 No.499588

Anonymous 2015-10-25 16:00:02 No.499591
wow, thanks alot! Thats really helpfull.

Here's my first try. Some of the anatomy is obviously off, but im basically just getting to know the tools and program. First problem i cant solve is when i drag out the neck, the polygons stretch. How do i fill the stretched part with new polygons?

Anonymous 2015-10-25 17:07:09 No.499599
I got it now. Dynamesh.

Here's my second try. Getting more and more comfortable with it really quickly.

Anonymous 2015-10-25 17:25:58 No.499600
You should define the shapes/forms first in lower polygons then higher later

slocik 2015-10-25 17:36:11 No.499601

man, need to watch that
but first vid is rick baker, im not a fan of his work at all, all his design always seemed lazy messy and half assed to me

slocik 2015-10-25 17:38:23 No.499602
talking about messy
dude use smooth flatten hpolsih or trim dynamic to clean up your forms
try avoiding that lumpy look as much as possible

Anonymous 2015-10-25 17:40:29 No.499603
alright. Why exactly? Trying to learn as much as possible.

Heres an alien i just started.

Anonymous 2015-10-25 17:41:59 No.499604
Will do. I hate the smooth tool tho. Is there any ther way of simplifying? Like reducing a surface to a plane?

Anonymous 2015-10-25 18:14:09 No.499608

So that you avoiding ending up with your poorly defined and lumpy meshes.

Anonymous 2015-10-25 18:18:38 No.499609
Alright. I'll try to keep it simple as long as possible. Get all the basic shapes down and then work smaller and smaller. It's really the exact same thing as drawing.

But again, is there a way to simplifye the form without using the smooth tool? I'd like to reduce lumpy surfaces to planes rather than smoothing them out.

slocik 2015-10-25 18:28:10 No.499611
to not create any bad habits
you want your forms to be easy to read and to make sense
its better to have a nice silhouette and forms than to have good detail work

yeah hpolish and trimdynamic are good tools for cutting down surfaces, often i would say a much better tool than smoothing since the lead to cleaner mesh
you can bind them to shit instead of normal smooth brush
i think holdingt shift and clicking on a new brush icon did it

Anonymous 2015-10-25 18:53:41 No.499615
Found the TrimDynamic brush. Works like a charm.

Tried to make it simpler and chern out the basic shapes. Is it still messy? I get really blind to my own stuff.

Anonymous 2015-10-25 20:02:42 No.499626
Keep on doodling away, looks less lumpy.
Do a daily 30 minutes doodle (or 2x 30min or 45 whatever feels rght) and compare your results.
If you get quality blindness, come back later to it after doing something else.
Just expect that your first 50 results will be mediocre before you see yourself getting better.
Just keep doing it.

Anonymous 2015-10-25 20:39:50 No.499634
Yup, i'll probably do more than that per day. This is really fun, and i feel like i'm able to create what i see in my head, which is quite unusual for me when doing something i haven't done before. Thanks for the help guys, this board seems helpful.

What material represents form the best? And is there any websites that you guys recommend for getting free materials and brushes and so on?

Anonymous 2015-10-25 22:08:07 No.499646
Daily Zbrush sculpt thread when?

Anonymous 2015-10-25 22:09:26 No.499647
If you havent downloaded any i'd probably use the silverish material, i dont really remember the name tho

Anonymous 2015-10-25 22:16:09 No.499648

Does anyone know any good sites to download free materials?

Anonymous 2015-10-25 22:34:53 No.499649

Whenever you make one.

Anonymous 2015-10-25 23:27:42 No.499652
[Digital Tutors] Your First Day in ZBrush [2014, ENG]
[Digital Tutors] MicroMesh Techniques in ZBrush [2013, ENG]
FlippedNormals Youtube ZBrush Basics (48 mins):

Anonymous 2015-10-25 23:54:16 No.499655
Search for zbro's zbrush materials. Those would be a good start.

Anonymous 2015-10-27 21:31:17 No.499912
Update on this.

Any feedback or tips is greatly appreciated.

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