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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:12:37 No.86456650

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Despite a few fan made sources and speculation saying that Gendo didn't reunite with Yui, I personally don't see why.

He meets Yui face to face during third impact, and Unit 01 eats Gendo inside it, Gendo therefore joining Yui in Unit 01.

Is this thought process wrong?


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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:14:02 No.86456740
Nah you could be right

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:16:01 No.86456844
Yes, because Yui is no longer Unit 01; she's everywhere, much like Rei. The Unit 01 that ate Gendo wasn't the literal Unit 01.

If you classify "Meeting for 2 minutes" as reuniting, sure, he does that. Then he dies and isn't even allowed into the Collective Consciousness of LCL, so that 2 minutes is all he gets.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:16:03 No.86456846
>>86456650

Unit 01 rips him apart for being a shitty father, due to being afraid of hurting Shinji.

Yeah, kinda depressing. This is NGE, remember? I'm sorry.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:19:31 No.86457014
>>86456844
that argument defeats the initial proposition, which is that yui left on unit 01, by your definition then gendo on LCL also becomes everywhere on the LCL, so there is room for gendo and yui reuniting.

>Then he dies and isn't even allowed into the Collective Consciousness of LCL, so that 2 minutes is all he gets.

Any evidence or lead on that gendo didn't join the LCL? Cuse the speculation on EoE is far too great to distinguish fact from fiction.

>>86456846
that symbolism is there and I agree, but that doesn't stop him from having reunited with Yui.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:22:57 No.86457201
>>86457014
Yui is punishing him. To allow him a spot in potential godhood would certainly not be a punishment.

Less speculitively, we see the bottom half of his body still standing after he gets eaten. If he had been accepted into Instrumentality, what's left of his body would be turned to tang and his bottom half wouldn't be able to stand up like it was.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:28:16 No.86457487
The booklet says Gendo reunites with Yui in the anime ending but not in the EoE ending.

"Gendo says, “All souls will become one and find eternal peace”. His Instrumentality Project must have been for all human souls to be combined as one and to compensate each other for what they have been deprived of. In the story that follows from Episode 25 “Air” to Episode 26 “A Pure Heart For You”, he was not able to execute the scenario he had drawn up. It may be that it was in Episode Twenty-Five and Episode Twenty-Six that his wish actually came true."

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:29:02 No.86457536
>>86457201
>Yui is punishing him. To allow him a spot in potential godhood would certainly not be a punishment.

Less speculation. I can also say that Yui despite punishing him doesn't go as harsh as Gendo was towards Shinji, after all if Yui was there Gendo wouldn't have abandoned shinji.

>Less speculitively, we see the bottom half of his body still standing after he gets eaten. If he had been accepted into Instrumentality, what's left of his body would be turned to tang and his bottom half wouldn't be able to stand up like it was.

But the Unit 01 scene is symbolic and that's nopt the actual unit 01, so it's an "imaginary" unit 01, so we can say that the scene is more symbolic than literal, and not enough proof to not have been tanged.

In fact we only see a few of the cast getting tanged, but gendo was on earth and the whole earth got tanged, what makes gendo so special to not have been tanged?

Because he was a dick to his son? Then by that criteria a lot more of people wouldn't have been tanged.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:30:37 No.86457623
>>86457487
>The booklet says Gendo reunites with Yui in the anime ending but not in the EoE ending.

But the anime ending and EoE ending aren't suposed to concide?

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:32:43 No.86457757
>>86457536
We only see the people on the Bridge get tanged directly, but we see halls filled with people who were tanged, and all that's left of them is their clothes flopped on the floor and tang.

The Eva 01 eating Gendo thing was more or less symbolic, or a hallucination if you will, but when we see his half-eaten body, that's in reality.

What Makes Gendo special is his direct connection to the events that occurred, his connection to Yui, Shinji, and Rei, all very important elements to Instrumentality. It's not just because he was a dick to his son. It's because he was a dick to Shinji, Yui's son, Rei's whatever-you-will.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:34:48 No.86457885
>>86457623

No, the same booklet explains that EoE it's a remake and alternate ending.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:35:51 No.86457948
>>86457885
I wouldn't trust any source that doesn't agree with what I say.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:36:53 No.86458000
>>86457948

Hahahahahaha

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:37:03 No.86458014
>>86457757
So in all of the earth he's the only who doesn't get tanged?

>The Eva 01 eating Gendo thing was more or less symbolic, or a hallucination if you will, but when we see his half-eaten body, that's in reality.

That's a contradiction. So him getting his half eaten body was hallucionation, but his half body remains is reality? Then was the hallucination reality or not? We have to decide on that.

Because the half body comes from the halucination, so it can be symbolic.

I personally find it weird for him to be the only person on earth to not get tanged, he's not THAT special, he's just a grown up shinji, not some kind of god, but well whatever.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:38:15 No.86458080
>>86457885
>>86457948
Just weird that 4chan has been swearing left and right that eps 25-26 are interconnect to EoE and now a misterious booklet appears saying that 4chan was wrong all along.

Not saying that you're wrong, just that I've heard since years on 4chan and other anime discussion places that 25-26 happens during EoE rather than being alternatives.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:38:29 No.86458090
>>86458014
>So in all of the earth he's the only who doesn't get tanged?
Yes

Instrumentality is a thing that defies logic. You're dealing with Gods here, man.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:39:21 No.86458140
>>86458080
>Just weird that 4chan has been swearing left and right that eps 25-26 are interconnect to EoE and now a misterious booklet appears saying that 4chan was wrong all along.

Mysterious? I though everyone knew this. This is very old and it's been pasted around for months already.

"This became a major issue as the final episode of the TV series could be considered incomplete. The voice of the fans grew stronger as they demanded a proper ending to the drama, explanations of the mysteries, or even a new story. Thus, in order to meet these demands, it was decided to remake episodes 25 and 26."

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:40:05 No.86458174
>>86458140

Forgot this one:

"For the TV series, episodes 25 “The Ending World” and 26 “The Beast who Shouted “I/Love at the Heart of the World” at the Center of the World” were shown following episode 24 to conclude the series. Thus, the story of Evangelion branches into two after the last scene of episode 24. There is one ending as shown in TV episodes 25 and 26, while episodes 25’ and 26’ as shown in “THE END OF EVANGELION” are another ending."

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:40:08 No.86458178
>>86458140
>>86458080
They cover the same shit, just from different perspectives.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:40:44 No.86458218
>>86458080
You must understand that making sense of something is not the same as making logical conclusions.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:42:59 No.86458345
>>86458178

"It is not that one is the complete version and the other is incomplete. Just like the multiple endings of a game, two different endings were prepared for one story."

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:43:37 No.86458385
>>86458178

EoE changes the moment Rei betrays Gendo.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:43:50 No.86458396
>>86458345
There are games in which 2 "alternate endings" are just the same thing from different perspectives.

Checkmate, atheists.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:43:58 No.86458404
>>86458218
>>86458178
well that's what I think aswell.

that's why gendo prolly got tanged. he would have to be way too special to be The Special One who didn't get tanged by the power of god instrumentality shit.

simply the easier conclusion is that he got tanged.

can even be speculated that the "yui" reunion was his last vision before getting tanged, in the same way that maya sees ritsuko, the nerv operator sees misato kissing him, etc.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:44:59 No.86458456
>>86458396

See >>86458174

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:45:31 No.86458491
>>86458404
Except for reasons listed above, he clearly wasn't tanged. No human is "too special to not be tanged." The only special person is Shinji because he's in the driver's seat of Instrumentality.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:46:12 No.86458537
>>86458456
And they both depict the same thing from 2 different perspectives. The perspectives branches out, you might say.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:46:27 No.86458549
>>86458404
Dead people don't get tanged.
Misako's body was still lying around somewhere too.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:47:04 No.86458583
>>86458491
>No human is "too special to not be tanged."

That's my point. Gendo is no different from the others.

If SEELE and shit got tanged, why not Gendo?

Just because it doesn't appear onscreen doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

We never got shown asuka recovering from the mindbreak and boom, suddenly there she is.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:47:21 No.86458602

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I think he wanted her in human form so he could schmack her around and she wouldn't bite off his head

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:47:44 No.86458623

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>>86458549
Asuka died.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:48:02 No.86458635
>>86458537

What part of "Rei doesn't betray Gendo in the anime" is hard to understand?

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:48:27 No.86458659
>>86458549
his "death" was by an imaginary EVA while talking to Yui's soul. Not a proper death like Ritsuko's or Kaji, his death was too, erhm, metaphysical/esoteric to not be covered by third impact.

Well this is just my opinion.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:48:36 No.86458669
>>86458583
He just wasn't tanged because Yui was mad at him. SImple as. It's not that he's special, just that he's connected to everyone involved heading Instrumentality, and they don't like him.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:48:37 No.86458671
>>86458174
I really think the booklet might be a translation error then, because to overlook the fact that EoE and the TV series' ending do not have any similarities so as to make them complementary (heh) is a fool's proposition.

There are direct scenes from both (Ep 25 and 26, and EoE) that directly tie into each other. Hell, EoE's episodes are episodes 25' and 26' (read: prime), which in mathematics indicates that they are derivative of the original.

tl;dr While not exactly the same (since one occurs in Shinji's mind and the other in reality), the last two episodes of the original series and EoE are complementary, NOT different endings.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:49:12 No.86458701
>>86458635
You don't get to see whether she betrays him or not, but you can clearly see that the events play out the same way beyond that point, so you should be able to infer that she does betray him.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:49:21 No.86458715
>>86458671
>they are derivative of the original.


They are remakes, they state they re-used stuff in purpose.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:50:08 No.86458761
>>86458549
>>86458623
also this. Asuka died too at hands of the mass EVAs.

basically it's third impact, we ain't got to explain shit.

well gendo being tanged is just my opinion, I can be wrong of course. But I see no major pointers towards him not being tanged.

The half part of the body was after a halucinatory scene, and for the actual half part to lie there the halucination had to be real, which is a new level of what the heck even for EoE standarts.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:50:15 No.86458767
>>86458701

Go back to the first booklet pasta.

That booklet is all staff commentary, by the way.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:50:21 No.86458772
>>86458635
What part of "Shinji is a completely unreliable narrator in the final two episodes of the TV series because it's all in his head, and therefore Rei's betrayal he might not know" is hard to understand?

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:51:32 No.86458843
Asuka and Misato are both tanged. They appear as such in the original poster.

Also, Instrumentality collects all souls into the primordial soup so everyone gets a chance to come back. Even people who died (at least recently).

Only Gendo was denied this.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:51:34 No.86458845
>>86458669
>he didn't get tanged because people didn't like him

Again, such criteria would make a LOT of assholes in the planet not getting tanged, and they did neverthless.

Also Yui was not in charge of directing third impact.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:52:01 No.86458865
>>86458761
You have a giant who can phase through the Earth and pull in the souls from all people over the Earth. A living Hallucination is fucking nothing.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:52:53 No.86458905
>>86458843
>Only Gendo was denied this.

I fail to see proper evidence in EoE other than fans angry at Gendo and wishful thinking that Gendo gets punished.

He sees Yui face to face and is eaten by an imaginary unit 01, this is already third impact level tripping, not the same as getting a gunshot from a SEELE spy or something of the sorts.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:53:24 No.86458929
>>86458845
Shinji only had one person to hate a whole lot. Yui hated Gendo for not taking care of Shinji. Rei hated Gendo too. That concentrated hate denies him Instrumentality. Everybody else they don't focus on.

Yui is put in the same position as Rei and Kaworu in Instrumentality.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:53:33 No.86458938
>>86458843

>Asuka and Misato are both tanged. They appear as such in the original poster.

what

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:53:58 No.86458969
>>86458865
exactly my point. he got dragged in third impact tier tripping shit, so he was involved in third impact, not left behind.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:54:21 No.86458989
>>86456650
I didn't read anything in this thread but when Yui was talking to Fuyutsuki about floating in space she said a couple times that it was going to be a very "lonely" thing or something. I'm 99% sure she specified like, "one individual" or something like that, plus she wasn't exactly happy at how Gendo treated shinji, so I doubt he was with her

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:55:42 No.86459059

[Missing image file: EoE.jpg]
>>86458938

Also quantum Rei appears to collect Misato's soul right before she is blown in piece.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:56:05 No.86459090
>>86458929
>Shinji only had one person to hate a whole lot.

Debateable. Shinji got euphoric whenever his dad shown him affection. If he hated him truly, he would be indifferent towards Gendo. Shinji ideal world would involve a healthy relationship with Gendo, not to push him away.

>Yui hated Gendo for not taking care of Shinji

Ok, makes sense.

>Rei hated Gendo too

Rei 3 did. Rei 1 and Rei 2 no, and Rei 2 dies crying of hapiness seeing a smiling Gendo as her last vision.

>Yui is put in the same position as Rei and Kaworu in Instrumentality.

But Yui when face to face doesn't make a single angry face at Gendo.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:57:27 No.86459156
>>86458969
Involved, sure, but not allowed into the Collective Conciousness. Yui just said hello then killed him.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:58:03 No.86459183
>>86458929
While this makes sense, seeing as how the major controllers of 3I all would have a grudge against Gendo (Yui/Rei, Shinji and Kaworu), the logistics of 3I makes it seem odd that he WOULDN'T be tanged even after 'dying', regardless of fan-hate or character hate.

Of course, the old "Rei/Lilith/Yui is a deity; I ain't gotta explain shit" is a possible, if tenuous, explanation.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:58:27 No.86459206
Ok, after seeing the pro Gendo not getting tanged theories I can conclude that it's speculation of fans angry at Gendo after self inserting in Shinji rather than canon tier stuff.

For the rest Anno as usual leaves it to interpretation.

But honestly "he didn't get tanged because some people didn't like him" sounds really infantile thinking. The whole earth got tanged, and much bigger assholes and criminals than gendo got tanged aswell.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:58:41 No.86459218

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Why I have the feeling this thread is full of people that just watched the movie.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:58:50 No.86459233
>>86459090
You can be angry without making angry faces.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:59:23 No.86459262

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Yui isn't part of the instrumentality anyway since she decided to stay in unit 1 as the eternal proof of humanity's existence. In other words, she will be stuck in unit 1 flying in space till the end of time. She should have stayed in the kitchen.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:59:47 No.86459285
>>86459206
The reason is because we see his fucking legs untanged in reality. He wasn't tanged.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:59:49 No.86459288
>>86459206

The point of Sadamoto's version (the manga) was to give Gendo (one of his favorite characters) salvation.

That would be contradicting if Gendo was saved too in the anime.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:59:53 No.86459291
>>86459206
>much bigger assholes and criminals
can there be a bigger asshole and criminal than one who tried to sabotage something done for the good of all for personal profit?

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 22:59:57 No.86459297
>>86459156
>Involved, sure, but not allowed into the Collective Conciousness.

I lack evidence on EoE for this. This seems to based by fan hate rather than by characters hate.

>>86459183
I agree.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:00:26 No.86459324
>>86459297
See>>86459285

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:00:27 No.86459326

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>>86456650
>He meets Yui face to face during third impact, and Unit 01 eats Gendo inside it, Gendo therefore joining Yui in Unit 01.

Yui, as Unit 01, fucking kills the shit out of Gendo, she doesn't unite with him. Why would she want to? She knows what sort of monster he'd become.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:00:30 No.86459331
>>86459285

Seems like people forget this scene a lot.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:00:48 No.86459347
>>86459218
it's entirely possible, /a/ has been full or EVA threads recently, so a lot of people might've finally gotten around to watching it as a result

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:02:02 No.86459410
>>86459262
oh wow. I have watched NGE + EoE a bunch of times, but i can't remember that scene.
I assume it's from EoE, right? Or is it maybe part of Death/Rebirth?
Shit, i need to rewatch it all again.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:02:25 No.86459429
>>86459291
yes, arms dealers, corrupt bankers, organs harvesters, serial rapists, genociders, do I need to go on?

>>86459288
manga is not really canon, just a chance to revisit the story if you miss the series.

>>86459285
yes, but the legs come from a trippy halucination during third impact.

arguing that's proof is like arguing what you saw while under LSD counts as proof.

>>86459262
Gendo gets eaten by unit 01 and joins yui in it.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:02:46 No.86459447
>>86459347

anime in general is p hip right now

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:03:21 No.86459480
>>86459429

Nobody said the manga is canon, is just that in the manga Sadamoto decided to save Gendo because in the anime he didn't.

If Gendo was saved in the anime then what?

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:03:32 No.86459493
>>86459429
dude, gendo practically wanted to murder EVERYONE, just so that he could be reunited with yui

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:03:39 No.86459499
>>86459324
>>86459285
his legs are there after a fucking halucination. saying that's proof is like saying you have huge spiders on your house because you saw them while under LSD.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:03:56 No.86459522
>>86459429
They come after the trippy hallucination. We see the hallucination, and then reality.

We have a fucking God running amuk. Turning a Hallucination real is not even remotely out of the realm of possibility.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:04:25 No.86459543
>>86456650

Didn't you see Gendo's legs and spine standing there as Unit-01 bit him in two? Gendo didn't get tanged, he was destroyed. His soul was to remain isolated from Instrumentality's gestalt, that was his punishment.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:05:07 No.86459583
>>86459499
There's a scene very early in the series where Shinji is in a Train talking to Rei, but he's not really in a train. Thus, we cannot tell that anything that happened after that scene actually happened because that would be like saying LCD hallucinations are real.

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Anonymous 2013-05-28 23:06:04 No.86459632
>>86459522
>>86459543

That part was reality, holy shit.

Reading Platinum Booklet, EoE theatrical book and Groundwork should be a required read for an EoE thread.







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