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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:05:00 No.87656668

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>fear is the most primal animal reaction
>While those who oppose him see fear as the root of his authority, It nevertheless provides peace and safety to those who obey him

Is Kugel a fascist, /a/ ?


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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:07:01 No.87656722
Oh, and is he dead or what?

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:08:33 No.87656759

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It's happening

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:09:43 No.87656784
>>87656668
yes he is literally creating nazi germany on board that fleet

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:10:34 No.87656800
A society without money, each giving to his ability, "those who do not work, neither shall they eat"?

Dude's a communist.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:11:18 No.87656814
>>87656784
More a Soviet Union. The whole deal of "no money" and work for the sake of everyone.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:11:57 No.87656819
The fuck is this shit? I thought Japan was free of white guilt.

Now that it's going completely Avatar/Pocahontas it's just going to be:
>Kill your friends
>No
>Well, I kill you
>No, I kill you
>Friendship prevails

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:12:56 No.87656838
>>87656668

He's working on the most basic principles:

> "Oppose me, and I hurt you."

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:13:18 No.87656845
>>87656668
>Is Kugel a fascist, /a/ ?
dude the space alliance is fascist, what the fuck were doing in the previous episodes?

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:15:01 No.87656889
the entire human alliance is more fascist than Starship Troopers and Mussolini combined

the way he is implementing the ideology has religious overtones, but the core tenets are essentially the same

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:15:14 No.87656894
>>87656819
I'd rather UNDERSTANDIN' with Gargantians solely than UNDERSTANDIN' with squids.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:15:55 No.87656910
>communism is bad
Fuck off, all of you

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:17:15 No.87656935
>>87656889
But SST wasn't even that fascist.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:19:09 No.87656973
>>87656889
It's 1984 in space.

Urobutcher can't think of a dystopia without copypasting Orwell all over the place.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:19:19 No.87656977
>>87656935
well the film itself was a satire but the society depicted in the books and in the paul verhoeven film was definitely crypto-fascist

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:19:37 No.87656983
>>87656894
No, that's not the point. Before there was at least some sort of shades of gray thing going on. Squids were human and those particular ones might not have been part of the ones he fights in space.

Now we have a tyrant who's running his own cult through fear and he's looking to capture Ledo's old friends. It's too black and white now with an obvious good and bad team.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:21:50 No.87657025
>Chamber ep 9: The Hideauze have given themselves over to animal instinct
>Chamber ep 10: Fear is the primal animal reaction. Ruling through fear is therefore fine

I think the AI's broken

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:23:12 No.87657053
>>87657025
they need to download updates from alliance servers. But it 404's

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:23:13 No.87657055
>>87657025
appealing to primal nature in service of a greater goal is acceptable whereas giving over to primal nature for its own sake is not
I guess

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:23:40 No.87657064
>>87656668
>Fear is the most primal animal reaction.
>Human's are afraid of whalesquids
>Peace on Earth
This scene was so retarded, it's like they were admitting that the hideauze are actually the better society.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:25:10 No.87657099
inb4 he goes full >i watched a squid slither along the edge of a knife
next ep

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:26:40 No.87657130
>>87657099
The Colonel's methods are...unsound.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:27:34 No.87657149
I actually thought the squids were more fascist if you look at the recordings.

Human Alliance I thought was a lot more communistic (from how the entire system of how people work and a lot of the philosophies the people are taught. A fascist society would be a bit different).

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:28:28 No.87657176
I can't believe I didn't guess the Colonel with the german name beginning in K would go native until it happened

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:29:19 No.87657205
>>87656910

Marx and Engel's vile little pamphlet has been responsible for more war, unrest, death, starvation and general human misery in the last hundred and fifty years than the worst tyrants and zealots of history managed in the last 1,500, so yeah, communism's bad.

Religion has a utopian ideal of Heaven, but it's something that comes to us through grace - "you will know neither the minute or the hour". The crypto-religious socialist paradise of communism suggests that people can build 'heaven on earth', but as we've seen making things involves breaking things, and they don't really get put back together again.

Communism and socialism are abominations.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:30:36 No.87657248
>>87656668
ledo a shit

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:30:48 No.87657254
>>87657205
Go fuck yourself kid, everything you said is wrong

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:30:49 No.87657255
So Striker x Chamber doujins when?

Also Lukage and her female servants in reality are just sluts craving for cock than some yuri characters...
In your face yurifags!

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:30:53 No.87657259
>>87657149
Ledo mentions private goods, so it's possible that economies exist, for citizens. And the idea of all for the state does not necessarily contradict a fascist ideology. It certainly doesn't when that collectivist imagery is used in a military context and to rouse the population against a military target

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:31:44 No.87657278
He can't hear you, he's only an image.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:32:23 No.87657289
>>87657205
>Communism is bad.
The ideology is fine, it's the fact that it just doesn't work in reality that happens to be the problem.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:32:48 No.87657297
>>87657149

The Human Alliance does have a fascistic element in that it's internally invested perpetual struggle against an Other. However, that can equally apply to socialism & communism, which has adversarial Us-vs-Them divide-and-rule conflict against capitalists/trotskyists/kulaks/"wreckers" as a very social fundament, and promotes eternal war through 'global revolution' as well.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:34:49 No.87657346
>>87657205
>muh free market

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:36:42 No.87657389

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>>87657099

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:37:08 No.87657398
>>87656668
he is actually dead and his machine is doing everything

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:41:34 No.87657497
>>87657259
Well the whole 'you are a soldier until you prove yourself to be a competent and capable and give us a reason to allow you to continue living in the city' thing doesn't exactly slide with fascism (which in the end is supposed to be a government that doesn't support class division. Though, neither does communism technically but with communism you are supposed to do stuff you what you can for society).

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:45:11 No.87657583
>>87657398
but then how did he die? The suit AI are also tasked with keeping the pilot on mission and on message. And we've seen Chamber already disobey a direct order, when it killed squidgirl. So I'm betting the machine eliminated him when he wanted to either go native for real, or started seriously thinking about coexistence. After all, they monitor the Pilot's brainwaves as a regular matter of course, who knows how much else it could be keeping tabs on and be authorized to rectify

or its just a straight heart of darkness homage but i mean i hope there's a little more to it than that

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:47:51 No.87657629
>>87657497
Its not that much of a leap from compulsory military service combined with an aggressive eugenics program. An ideology rarely functions strictly inside a dictionary definition in the real world, and nothing mentioned above is at odds with fascist ideology as it was widely practiced

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:49:00 No.87657663
Regardless everything in this thread, I want to fuck Amy.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:51:58 No.87657732
>>87657663
Who doesn't? Only the milf-faggots who prefer saggy old smelly tits of Bellows.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:57:56 No.87657866
The reason I have doubts as to whether Kugel is dead and Stryker is calling the shots like everyone is saying is because completely imitating Kugel's personality (to the point that it would fool someone who had been his subordinate for years) seems like it would be very difficult, even for a very advanced AI.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:58:24 No.87657878
>>87657289

That's a meaningless statement. "I want People to have nice things" - no-one other than misanthropes and sociopaths would disagree, and all ideologies everywhere boil down to the same. It doesn't actually say anything.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:59:10 No.87657889

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>>87657583
The virus, obviously.

>>87657732
>having such pleb tastes

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 10:59:52 No.87657908
>>87657289
It would work in reality, it just needs some generations to learn society the ideology.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 11:01:23 No.87657952

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>>87656784
>implying the nazi are bad

Yes goy, keep spending that indocrination for soon enough you will have a world of Brave New World where everything is controlled through pleasure.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 11:02:48 No.87657979
>>87657889
Bellows is clearly Yoko and Ami is clearly the middle sister of Kittan, now who has the pleb taste?

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 11:04:20 No.87658019
>>87657979
Since you're citing TTGL, that'd still be you.

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 11:06:35 No.87658076

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Anonymous 2013-06-17 11:08:06 No.87658114
>>87657583
From disease probably. I'm amazed Ledo wasn't fucked from eating that fish after being raised on bags of necessary nutrients.







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