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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:03:25 No.71357193

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>Avi is totally nuts. More confirmation to me that he never knew what he was doing.

Looking at these e-mails, we sure dodged a bullet
>http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=497383

>They were conviced ASM2 would be a huge hit
>Even though it wasn't, after that they were convinced all the spin-offs would be huge hits
>Ignored all of Kevin Feige's advice on ASM2's problems, despite Amy Pascal's obsession with imitating Feige
>They were gonna do the CLONE SAGA
>DC characters are "corny" and Sinister Six would totally be better than Suicide Squad
>Had no idea what female character to use, considered Aunt May, Black Cat, Silver Sable...
>Avi Arad's Venom obsession (aparently Disney Infinity having Venom is proof a movie would be popular). he also wanted a Carnage movie
>Never ever considered Miles Morales
>Considered using GOG in the Sinister Six
>Used Google and wikis for "research"
>Andrew Garfield had no idea what was going on


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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:06:25 No.71357235
>>71357193
>PROPOSED ROLL OUT OF FUTURE FILMS:

>Amazing Spider-man: Kraven (in Sinister 6 slot in 2016) - in a never before move we do a prequel to ASM2, Gwen is still alive. Norman is still alive but increasingly getting sicker. He has seen and heard of Spider-man/Peter Parker (following the events of ASM1) and having seen that he was wounded by the police shooter has hired a Russian big game hunter, Kraven, to track him down and bring him in. Norman believes that in Peter's blood is the key to cure him. Kraven ultimately captures Peter/Spidey and supplies Norman with vials of his blood. Norman, in an attempt to synthesize a cure, actually ends up becoming the original Goblin and transforms like the Ultimate version. Spidey and Gobby battle it out with Gobby running away weak and which leads us to the frail state that we see Norman in ASM2.
>Sinister 6 - move to first half 2017

>Spider-man 2099 (2nd half 2017)- this is our Captain America-type franchise. Instead of a period WWII film, we have a futuristic New York in the year 2099. Miguel O'Hara origin story (heads up genetics department at Alchemax and becomes Spider-man). He is up against the evil conglomerate Alchemax and trying to battle either Morlun (who will chase him through time to devour him) or Kron Stone (Venom 2099). In the end the villain is defeated while battling at Alchemax and Miguel/S2099 ends up being sent back in time to present day NYC. This leads into a team up with 616-Spidey to take down Carnage (Payoff level event)

>ASM: Venom (first half 2018) - Eddie Brock Jr "ultimate" origin story but with some 616 details. In the end Spidey defeats Venom and sends him to Ryker's. Coda shows the birth of Carnage

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:07:25 No.71357250
>>71357235
>ASM: Black Cat (second half 2018) - Felicia Hardy gets properly introduced. We see her get her "luck powers" from Wilson Fisk/Kingpin. Eventually she has an encounter with Spidey and it ends with an understanding that she is not the bad person she appears to be.

>Carnage (2019) - the event that everyone has been wanting. Cletus Kasady makes his debut and it will take a team-up like no other to take him down. Peter/Spidey, Miguel/Spider-man 2099, Venom and Black Cat join forces to bring him to justice. This would be a hard PG-13 with the possibility of an unrated bloodier version for home entertainment.

>ASM: Jackal (second half 2019) - Dr Miles Warren had fallen in love with Gwen when she interned at Oscorp. When she died he blamed Spidey for her death and vowed vengeance. He attempts to clone her but fails. Instead using the blood and tissue samples that Norman had Kraven acquire he creates two low-grade clones of Peter, one who will eventually Ben Reilly and the other Kaine. He uses these to clones to unleash chaos on the city and not until Spidey defeats them and figures out that they are the same can the bring down Jackal. Here we see the birth of Scarlet Spider.

>Spider-man 2099 2 (first half of 2020) - Miguel is stuck in the present day but is trying to get back to 2099. However he must keep Tiberius Stone (his future grandfather) alive or his whole existence will cease. S2099 encounters Mac Gargan, Scorpion and they battle it out. But will Miguel get back to his time...

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:17:49 No.71357365
>>71357328
Oh god helpppppp

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z2

> On Sep 12, 2014, at 7:00 AM, "DeLuca, Michael" wrote:
>
> Yeah in ultimates if my memory serves he kidnaps aunt may, shield gets involved, etc
>
> In one iteration of the six sandman goes straight too and helps Spider-Man beat Ock and the rest
>
> Gog is tough because then you're into a giant humanoid creature from another dimension. Feige has had success with the cosmic side of things but it's a tricky line to walk, the s****y fantastic four movies' treatment of the silver surfer and galactus are the cautionary tale
>
> Doc Ock could always just be trying to get his hands on weapons tech that masks a true, more nefarious mission that could involve springing gog. And maybe the six have a puppet master that is a twist reveal like Redford in Cap 2
>
> If you think about it like a western, you just want juicy conflicts between the six, or take a page from Ride The High a Country and have a villain grow a conscience over the course of the movie like Randolph Scott did in that film, Sandman did do that in the comics
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 12, 2014, at 6:50 AM, "Pascal, Amy" wrote:
>>
>> Is that the story in ultimates and drew also likes gog but hasn't figured out how to use him
>>
>> Sent from my Sony Xperia Z2
>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2014, at 6:44 AM, "DeLuca, Michael" wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey I thought I heard you mention gog yesterday, are they mining that storyline from the comics? Is Doc Ock trying to breach some dimensional plane to get Gog and use him for world domination?
>>>
>>> Or are they borrowing from ultimate Spider-Man and working a story where Peter is blackmailed into joining the six?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone


I can't make this shit up

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:18:52 No.71357378
damn
this entire thing is a mess
>Andrew Garfield had no idea what was going on
i don't think anyone actually knows whats going on

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:19:16 No.71357382
I'm convinced Avi Arad is a huge part of the reason Affleck's Daredevil was such a shitpile. Hearing interviews with him talking about how they wanted tot turn it into a 'date movie' because it was released on Valentine's Day and shit.

It's weird that he was considered a 'comic movie Midas' for so many years. He's been involved with at LEAST as many flops as successes.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:22:27 No.71357420
>Never ever considered Miles Morales

Why's this a strike against him?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:24:02 No.71357440
>>71357420
Fuck off.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:27:21 No.71357477
>>71357193
>>Ignored all of Kevin Feige's advice on ASM2's problems, despite Amy Pascal's obsession with imitating Feige


There are too many story lines and we need to choose which ones we are focusing on and lift out the other ones, ie; could reduce father arc to just Roosevelt?
Could cut out plane crash and Richard destroying spiders and start on armored car – don’t start with Spider-Man….let the danger/stakes to NYC build first and then have Spider-Man enter the scene heroically.
Tone down Paul Giamatti performance, so he seems a bit more menacing and less cartoonish.
If you cut Richard from the opening and the plane crash maybe you could instead do Harry coming home and seeing Norman at the top of the movie as a cold open.
Really love Electro – feels like you may not need the scene in his apartment, which makes him seems completely crazy and hard to relate too.
Like the idea that eel goes in his mouth and instead of burrowing, you see it glow within him…
Need to set up the Power Plant earlier, visually.
Seems like the movie switches pov’s a lot…why are we in Max’s pov during the car chase, worth looking at this playing out from Spidey’s pov.
There could be a better way to reveal that Peter is missing graduation – maybe when you cut Gwen you cut to the wide shot?
Tiny note – don’t think Peter would lie to Gwen about sirens --- maybe he just downplays it…
Stan Lee Cameo – maybe need a little more emphasis on Peter here trying to get out of his costume and not be in seen…set up a little more the pressure of the principal getting closer and closer to calling his name.
Instead of seeing the ghost of Captain Stacy, can just here the voice in Peter’s head and maybe flash back to the last movie? Don’t think we should add Cap Stacy back into car chase.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:28:29 No.71357490
>>71357477
There is too much back and forth with Peter and Gwen – can we recut the Dim Sum scene so that it doesn’t feel so repetitive of their break-up in the last movie – Can Peter be more honorable and definitive and less wishy-washy?
Why do we need a year to pass…
Harry story feels like the main plot of the movie – Peter should look into the past b/c of Harry – maybe find some photos of them together as kids…use obsession wall more to set up this part of his past not just what happened to parents.
Not sure what Peter learns at Roosevelt is entirely correct. We’re distracted by the idea that Peter became Spider-Man b/c of his father’s blood --- all this special back story with his super-scientist dad fights with the idea that Peter is normal kid from Queens who becomes the greatest super-hero in the world…
Andrew’s performance is all over the place…a lot of crying and then a lot of mania. Hard to track him emotionally sometimes. It undermines his reaction to Gwen’s death b/c he gets upset and emotional a lot.
Don’t like the idea that May tells Peter his parents were spies b/c two seconds later he finds out they are not and it again fights with the idea that he’s an ordinary kid.
Like the idea that May finds out he’s Spider-Man – finds his costume instead of just the rosemary harris wink-wink all the time.
Kind of like the morgue, but hate the dancing mortician – cliché.
Are you using VFX to show how Electro is travelling from one point to another (bursts of electricity).
Need to underscore capture of goblin…more sirens as you linger on the clock 1;21, 1:22 am (nice touch).
Surveillance scene should be about following Harry not Peter…no one should be following Peter.
Can Electro hum Itsy-Bitsy Spider before he plays it electronically…maybe we can use this again.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:29:30 No.71357500
>>71357490
Maybe intercut the ending montage and hearing Gwen’s speech with someone going into special projects and revealing more easter eggs and see that the rhino case has been broke into and the suit is missing…great way to transition to rhino ending.
Don’t need Aunt May in the kitchen.
Spider-man needs to feel more directly responsible for preventing the planes from crashing.


Don’t show New Yorkers looting.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:29:47 No.71357501
>>71357440
Go to bed, Brian

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:35:12 No.71357552
>>71357420
Because he considered Aunt May: Action Hero as a blockbuster tent-pole film over Ultimate Spider-man.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:39:37 No.71357605
>>71357193
>Kevin Feige's advice on ASM2's problems

That's a good thing. Kevin Feige is really fucking retarded. The movie had it's own set of problems, but the last thing anybody should do is taking advice from Feige. Look at what the fuck is happening at Warner Bros and DC

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:40:01 No.71357608
>>71357477
>>71357490
>>71357500
Why is Feige so based?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:41:06 No.71357619
>>71357605
What does Feige have to do with DC? Did you get him confused with someone else?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:41:40 No.71357625
>>71357605
Ahem, this was Feige's advice
>>71357477
>>71357490
>>71357500
If they had listened to him, the movie would have been better, not great, but not as bad

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:41:43 No.71357626
>>71357500
>>71357490
>>71357477
>Hey, you seem to be doing a few things decently
>So let me try to goad you into doing the opposite
>Because I'm a power controlling freak

Wow Kevin is fucking retarded. He's basically saying "don't do some of the best things of the movie"

ASM2 might have been bad, but this makes it sound like Kevin is trying to sabotage the movie far worse than it was.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:43:04 No.71357642
>>71357596
With this advice it could easily reach Thor 2 level of "watch, enjoy, forget"

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:43:20 No.71357645
>>71357626
It wasn't him trying to sabotage, it was him trying to protect Marvel's brand.
Do you really think the plot with Peter's father was necessary?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:44:01 No.71357651
>>71357235
>>71357250
This is actually kinda okayish except for the prequel idea. Kraven should have come after ASM2 or be a side story for TV/Internet/Comic

I'm not saying it's good, but I honestly would have watched every single one.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:45:45 No.71357670
>>71357193
Hasbro aparently didn't like the Sinister Six movie ideas.
Makes me wonder if Suicide Squad will face similar problems from toy companies

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:46:48 No.71357683
>>71357193
Marvel, REALLY wants to make it clear they have no involvement with Fox movies. The salt is real.

>Subject: Announcements concerning Deadpool Dear Bob: I’m writing to you to correct the misimpression left by reporting concerning Fox’s plans for a Deadpool motion picture. According to a September 18, 2014 report in Variety, “Fox and Marvel have slotted Deadpool, their long in development X-Men spin-off for Feb. 12, 2016.” (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/de...el-1201308783/). As you are aware, Marvel has no involvement in the decision to produce a Deadpool film, let alone when that film will be released. The article continues with the falsehood that Kevin Feige is producing the film with Lauren Schuler Donner. Kevin Feige will have no involvement in a Deadpool motion picture, should Fox decide to produce one, and we will not be designating Kevin as an executive producer for any of the films made under the X-Men license (unless we advise you otherwise). We are, however, designating Stan Lee as our executive producer for the upcoming X-Men films of which we are aware are in production (i.e., Deadpool and X-Men: Apocalypse). Additionally, Tom Cohen who was designated as Associate Producer should be removed from any credits. We can’t determine, of course, the extent to which that misimpression was created or fostered by Fox, but please ask your people to be careful not to imply that Marvel Studios or its personnel are producing any of theX-Men films licensed to Fox by Marvel and to correct any reports that suggest otherwise. Misrepresentations in press reports lead to inaccurate speculation that there could be cross-overs between Marvel Studios produced movies and those produced under license by Fox.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:47:40 No.71357694
>>71357625
Not to burst your bubble, but his ideas are worse than Arad's and Webb's. Just being honest, I don't think any rational person would actually agree with him if he told somebody "Not to do something that was working just fine."

On that note, some of the advice WAS taken and it's the stuff that was actually either important or reasonably nonsense. It seems ore like the execs picked and chose rather than thought decisively.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:49:28 No.71357710
>>71357683
>So asshurt, they kill off their iconic characters
>Going to hurt their comic book trust (Like it already has) and draw people away from their material
>Meanwhile Fox boosts the attention of said franchises but with no books to sell from it

Marvel in charge of being smart.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:49:40 No.71357712
>>71357694
His advice is cutting things down and focusing, he isn't adding anything. For a film that's overloaded and a clusterfuck, how is removing and focusing stuff "worse"?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:50:48 No.71357728
>>71357608
>>>71357477
>>>71357490
>>>71357500
I don't think telling somebody to shit on a piece of shit and then calling it art is based. Quite the opposite.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:53:30 No.71357777
>>71357712
He's taking many of the better parts of the film away. Like >>71357596 said, the movie needed a new script. If Webb and the execs took every bit of advice here, the movie would have went from bad to substantially worse in every single respect imaginably, as it trades off stronger aspects like Peter's and Gwen's romance (Which wasn't amazing either.) and putting it into focusing on basically nothing.

That's the issue. ASM2 has a lot of "nothing" and some of the things he wanted removed were something more than nothing.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:53:35 No.71357780
>>71357689
That just means Marvel will keep making billions in merchandising while DC wonders why they can't sell anything but Batman and Spuerman

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:57:11 No.71357834
>>71357808
>marveldrones
>marvel movie

please anon, come up with a better meme

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 11:57:46 No.71357842
>>71357670
Can't imagine why all those characters and accessories are made to be toys in both movies.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:00:47 No.71357882
>>71357328

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/gogtsiln.htm

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:05:25 No.71357940
>>71357490
>Seems like the movie switches pov’s a lot…why are we in Max’s pov during the car chase, worth looking at this playing out from Spidey’s pov.

It was necessary to introduce Max. Probably one of the few things this movie did right (And something I notice Feige loves a lot)

>Tiny note – don’t think Peter would lie to Gwen about sirens --- maybe he just downplays it…

Yes he word as it was a quip rather than a straight up lie. I think Gwen knows it's a siren.

>There is too much back and forth with Peter and Gwen – can we recut the Dim Sum scene so that it doesn’t feel so repetitive of their break-up in the last movie – Can Peter be more honorable and definitive and less wishy-washy?

But that's where a lot of the focus of the movie is put in and is the only good part of the entire thing. It's actually what teen romance is like

>Andrew’s performance is all over the place…a lot of crying and then a lot of mania. Hard to track him emotionally sometimes. It undermines his reaction to Gwen’s death b/c he gets upset and emotional a lot.

I don't know where to begin with this one. I'm at a loss for words.

>Spider-man needs to feel more directly responsible for preventing the planes from crashing.

That wasn't what he was focused on. Actually, this really should not have been in the movie at all.

>Don’t show New Yorkers looting.

Fuck off.

Some of these things are valid, but a lot of Feige's criticisms are dictating and flat out wrong. No matter who was in charge, this movie was doomed from the start because of the entire script. Even if all of this advice was taken, it would be doomed because it's asking them to remove some of it's more memorable aspects.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:07:14 No.71357962
>>71357940
>I don't know where to begin with this one. I'm at a loss for words.

Is it because he's right? It's not the actors fault, it's the directors. It was comical the way he reacted to Gwen's death because he spends every other scene crying.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:07:47 No.71357972
>>71357808
It's retarded, because it's hurting themselves instead of being adventitious. People aren't going t remember the Inhumans the same way they remember the X-Men, and it's because X-men transcends multiple generations where Inhumans, despite not being new, are only going to be relevant momentarily in a box office film that's not guaranteed to be successful.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:07:59 No.71357974
>>71357420
They don't understand which characters are popular and which characters are just...characters. Even if you don't like Miles he does have a fan base, which is a lot more than fucking mom and evil German scientist from ASM2 have.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:08:14 No.71357980
>>71357940
These notes were for a version that we did not see. Many of these notes were taken into play, which might be why you think some of them are blatantly out of place.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:10:14 No.71358004
>>71357962
Welcome to Spider-Man. A quipping asshat that has a lot of emotional demons. Of course many casuals would argue that "But it's a movie therefor it doesn't work" but that's simply not true going on Raimi's first two movies being the exact same way

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:10:43 No.71358008
>>71357193
Actors hardly get to give creative input so early in production.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:12:08 No.71358028
>>71357193
>>Andrew Garfield had no idea what was going on
damn
I REALLY feel bad for Andrew, he was a GOAT spidey and a fantastic Peter, and he really really loves Spider-Man, it sucks to see him fucked over like this.
I really wanted to see him as an Older Peter.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:12:36 No.71358033
>>71357980
The version we did not see is equally as bad. I can see why Feige wanted to reboot it instead of integrating it into the MCU. It was a lose lose situation

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:16:27 No.71358072
>>71357193
A Spider-Man cinematic universe would not be god awful if it was handled correctly as Spider-Man alone has so much history by himself it shadows a large portion of the MCU's own lore. It's such a shame that it wasn't handled by more competent people, but at the same time, I'm glad because I'm sure normies who would watch these films would not be so fond of all of these details just for one guy in tights, even if they decided to do Spider-verse

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:17:38 No.71358084
>>71358060
And sadly, dat nigga is kill. RIP Ben ;_;7

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:18:36 No.71358099
>>71357834
Don't even try to change the subject you twat, Marvel is neglecting iconic properties over petty shit.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:19:27 No.71358107
>>71358028
He wanted Peter to be gay.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:20:24 No.71358117
>>71357689
Indeed, it seems Marvel dictates toy companies
>- Marvel started showing WM pieces of Guardians of the Galaxy early – last month. WM wasn’t super excited after seeing the initial content so Marvel has continued to show them more and more. Now, WM is totally fired up about Guardians and has gotten Hasbro pumped up about the toy line. Marvel completely turned them around.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:21:48 No.71358136
>>71358099
Millions of dollars worth of petty shit, but it's mostly just them being asshurt they are not getting Fox's sheckles even though it's bleeding their own consumers of content they want. Do they REALLY think X-Men fans will give a fuck? X-Men has a lot of material to work with for many generations.

Hell, if Fantastic Four works and becomes canon with X-Men, I can imagine a resurgence of their comics.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:22:57 No.71358149
>>71358117
>You don't like our toys?
>Here have another
>And another
>FINE WE'LL SELL YOUR FUCKING TOYS

That's hilarious

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:24:34 No.71358167
>>71357235
>Suddenly, seven movies in four years
Fuck, now I wish they hadn't gone back to Marvel. If even a quarter of that came out before dying, 2099 would've been dope

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:24:47 No.71358168
>>71358060
>inb4 DC casts him as black spider

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:27:24 No.71358200
>>71357683
It's too obvious they wanted to get Deadpool back.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:27:26 No.71358203
>>71357972
peoples attention span are really short now, I think Inhumans could replace X-men given the right marketing and movies.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:29:03 No.71358217
>>71358033
is there a cut of the film as it originally was?

at this point ALL I WANT is a Directors cut of TASM and TASM2
have Garfield and Webb recut both films, and I'm willing to bet alot that the resulting pair of films would be infinitely better.
in fact, there's probably enough FILMED material that the 2 films could be recut as a trilogy, which would actually make the Peter/Gwen elements of the story stronger (from the structural standpoint, in regards to how a good trilogy is put together).

>>71358004
agreed.
Andrew's emotion is one of the best things about his performance and both of those films.
>>71358107
that isn't true, nor is it what he said, nor is it even the MEANING of what he said, fuck off.
>>71358084
>kill ben just to prove that "no character is safe" and "anything goes"
RIP Ben, but fuck that noise.
At least they made great use of his actor.
>>71358060
Well, who else could he play? Off the top of your head.
I mean...Andrew was really a perfect Peter for me, I wouldn't have made Peter so young, but Peter Parker has always had a youthfulness that makes in unique in-universe, even as he ages/doesn't age that alot of actors don't emit.

He could make a decent Danny Rand maybe?...nah
Hal Jordan? maybe, but Hal is cast...He could actually be a pretty decent Dick Grayson, but...fuck

>>71358168
pls no

>>71358203
not him, but I'd have to agree. if they get an Inhumans TV show going stat, they'd come out ahead.
the last Xmen series was...2005? on Nicktoons? where hardly anyone saw it?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:30:23 No.71358230
>>71358149
I think it's more
>This is an obscure property, are you sure it will sell?
>We have a talking Racoon with Guns. Super lasers. Talking tree. Star-Lord Mask. Also, the word Marvel on every toy.
>SHUT UP AND TAKE OUR MONEY

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:30:56 No.71358235
>>71358203
I don't think so. Even the younger audience has had near constant exposure to the X-Men through cartoons and toys, and most people at least remember the 90's series.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:30:56 No.71358236
>>71358200
Deadpool as a Netflix show, how would it do? The forth wall stuff would be great

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:31:51 No.71358248
>>71358028

You're so wrong, but I think it's fucking hilarious how much of a pathetic pawn Garfield was in Sony's plans.

Glorious, glorious fuck ups!

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:32:32 No.71358255
>>71358235
>younger audience
>90s series

You realize we old now right?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:34:38 No.71358270
>>71357235
>>71357235
Kraven's movie does not make sense and I'm certain that's exactly why they scrapped it. It was established that the claw Norman had was either from from him injecting the Spider venom he very well did have access to (And is shown in the tapes found in the subway station.) Harry didn't know about any of this and it was his entire assumption Spider-Man's blood would heal him.

Calling it now, this is what the Spider-Man 2017 reboot will be like to salvage the concept.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:35:05 No.71358278
>>71358255
I was more referring to Wolverine and the X-Men, but I guess that was still seven years ago. They still sell the DVDs of the 90's series pretty decently, though.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:37:46 No.71358309
>>71357365
>>71357250
>>71357235
>>71357193

How the fuck do these people have jobs.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:38:10 No.71358316
>>71358255
90's and early 2000's, plus occasional reruns and access to these shows on Netflix. That's a wopping 2/3 generations that have exposure to these shows over Inhumans

InHumans has opportunity but Fox has experience and the advantage overall

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:39:41 No.71358334
>>71358316
Marvel is already having the Inhumans show up in the Marvel cartoons.
But yes, X-Men still have some advantage

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:42:59 No.71358375
>>71358334
Some is an understatement. What's going to happen is that we're most likely going to have Inhuman characters get popular like Ms. Marvel, but not Inhumans as a whole get even close to the same attention as X-Men and it's own set of characters who are iconic and household names. It's like comparing Flash to Batman. Yes, the Flash is popular right now, but even now and going into the future he simple doesn't have the same stride like Batman as a whole does.

The Inhumans movie will mostly likely only serve as a way for them to give attention to certain characters to make one off movies out of.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:43:21 No.71358379
>>71357193
>Used Google and wikis for "research"
That's common advice you fucks give out

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Freedonia 2015-04-18 12:43:24 No.71358380
>>71358004
The problem with the ASM movies is that they have not achieved substantial, story-wise. Two people died to teach Peter the lesson that fighting crime is dangerous. The biggest conclusion is that Spider-Man now fights crime. These movies don't have a proper central conflict.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:44:04 No.71358390
>>71358334
>some advantage
A major advantage, the Inhumans haven nothing backing them aside from being stuffed in everything. The X-Men spent 40 years being everywhere because people *wanted* them there, and not even Marvel can fuck something up hard enough to close that gap.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:44:58 No.71358402
>>71358248
I'm wrong in what way?
Garfield was and is a Spider-Man fan, and actually cared about the performance/character/source material, as opposed to Maguire who was just collecting a check, and wouldn't even stay in shape for the part.

Peter was never some middling loser nerd, Peter was an isolationist, who cared more about school/science than having friends and anything else.
Peter had Liz after him from the jump, considered dropping out of high school to marry an older woman (Betty, who was older, drop out or not).
Peter was malicious at times, and started out quite selfish, and constantly struggling to be "good" so much so, that the early bi-monthly issues had him hinging on super villainy at times

>>71358355
hmm, good point.
I don't know if I'd want to see him as Eddie....I guess he could be 1610 Eddie, but after getting Topher Grace Venom, I'd much rather have massive hulking venom of days past.
still, I could see Peter playing a great Venom like this:
https://youtu.be/7YDYL6oECjU

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:48:26 No.71358434
>>71358309
Hollywood is fueled by do-ers, bullshitters, and heaps of nepotism. A moron with a script gets more accomplished than a smart nerd without one.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:48:50 No.71358438
>>71358380
I disagree, because that's the entire issue with Spider-Man as a whole in every single iteration. That's what Spider-Man is and that's how Raimi's run of the character was as well. It wasn't Spider-Man that was the problem in Amazing Spider-Man, it was everything around him. Garfield got everything done greatly, he was amazing, but his one-to-one tune with the character didn't translate to what happened around him.

Although, I'll make the argument that also happens in the orignal Spider-Man 2 in the form of the copious plot conveniences.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:48:52 No.71358439
>>71358402
>Peter was never some middling loser nerd
Have you ever actually read a Spider-Man comic? The first page of his Amazing Fantasy story is the cool kids laughing at him for being such a nerd.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:49:50 No.71358450
Apparently Hasbro and Marvel/Disney hate SS because their toys don't sell. Kids don't buy Electro, Doc Ock, Sandman, etc.

>We are about to get bombarded by both Hasbro and Marvel/Disney about Sinister Six. They called last month asking for details and we held them off by saying that we were not ready and they should check back in September. Below is a request from Hasbro and their specific Marvel Brand manager to meet. I think you guys would like to hear from them too. They are going to have a lot of insight regarding what sold and what didn’t.

Disgusting. They should tell them to fuck off. Better make good movies with characters that don't sell then forgettable shit like Iron Man 3 with the character changing costume every 5 minutes to sell more toys.

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Freedonia 2015-04-18 12:54:11 No.71358485
>>71358438
My point is more that they made two movies where a person named Stacy dies to show that fighting crime leads to people dying. No actual progress is made. I'm sure the third movie would've had MJ victimised and then saved to show how far Peter Parker has come.

Raimi did that in one movie.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:55:45 No.71358507
>>71358402
>Peter was never some middling loser nerd
>Peter had Liz after him from the jump
>the early bi-monthly issues had him hinging on super villainy at times
I think you and I read different comics.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 12:56:04 No.71358511
>>71358434
failed writer/10

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:00:54 No.71358551
>>71358316
>>71358334
Also, lets remember how Marvel is pushing them real hard into "Not the X-men".

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:03:08 No.71358572
>>71358485
Ha. Haha, no, no Raimi did not. Raimi did the opposite, and it was apparent in Spider-Man 2. MJ is a fucking cunt and Peter never grows past crying and moping.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:03:16 No.71358574
>>71358551
Yeah buddy, look at that memorable star-studded lineup, I can see the spinoffs from here

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:03:22 No.71358576
>>71357235
>>71357250
I'm upset Marvel got Spider back

Because these movies could've gotten made and finally killed off capeshit movies

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:03:50 No.71358580
>>71358439
>>71358507
did we read the same comics?
they didn't make fun of him for being a nerd, they made fun of him for preferring to study over hanging out with them.
and don't forget, they had just invited him to come with them.

Liz was after Peter immediately, I think it's issue 2 or 3 when Flash disses Peter, and she thinks about how handsome or something Pete is.

loser nerd=/=loner
there's a difference, and if you can't see it, you're part of the problem.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:05:32 No.71358599
>>71358217
You're kind of obsessed with Andrew Garfield.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:06:32 No.71358610
>>71358599
I like Andrew because he was a great Peter, but I only barely care about him outside of him playing Spidey.
My husbando's and Evans and Cavill.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:06:41 No.71358614
>Hideo trusted this man

My god it all makes sense now

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:09:26 No.71358641
>>71358580
>they didn't make fun of him for being a nerd, they made fun of him for preferring to study over hanging out with them.

So they made fun of him for being a nerd? There's not as big of a difference as you think

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:10:54 No.71358649
>>71358450
To be honest toy sales are a good indicator of how costume designs and specific characters tested.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:11:21 No.71358652
>>71357250
>hard PG-13
kek

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:11:31 No.71358653
>>71357683
I wouldn't want to be associated with that piece of shit movie. God damn, name a single good Ryan Reynolds comic movie. You have three to choose from. THREE! And you can't say any of them are even decent! Fuck me, Deadpool is going to be a trainwreck.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:12:17 No.71358663
>>71358580
He invited Liz to the presentation where he got bitten by the Spider, not go to the library and be his study buddy, and he did so because all that science shit interested him, and she blew him off because it was lame and he was a nerd. She only started showing interest in him once he had been Spider-Man for a while an had started developing physically and started standing up for himself. As for his "loner" shit, that came about because he had no more free time between being Spider-Man and having a job.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:14:22 No.71358680
>>71358580
I think you're projecting. This oh so important difference between nerd and loner is just how you spin it. He's alone because he's a social outcast versus he's alone because he wants to be is usually just sour grapes.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:22:12 No.71358768
>>71358653
>Ryan Reynolds comic movie
>The actor is the problem with any of those movies

Wow, you a fucking retard of the highest caliber

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:23:14 No.71358781
>>71358653

Those movies are terrible through no fault of Ryan's, he was a great Hal Jordan and an amazing Wade Wilson.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:24:38 No.71358798
>>71357193
>A Carnage movie
Awww yeea-
>>71357250
>PG-13
FUCK. THAT.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:25:48 No.71358813
>>71358798

HARD pg13

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:28:34 No.71358851
Arad is the lesser evil at Sony now.

We have to worry about Tom "Executive Meddling Extravaganza" Rothman.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:34:39 No.71358936
>>71358572
Welcome to actual character development, were two lovers aren't dreamy the whole time and their dialogues are written in a way that makes them look like actual human beings instead of walking "quirky teen nerds" cliches

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:36:21 No.71358959
>>71358813
As a britbong I have zero clue what the difference is between hard and normal PG-13, but either way it sounds like a bad idea.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:36:44 No.71358963
>>71357250
>>71357235
>Carnage
>Venom
>2099
>Black Cat

All would have been okay with me, but's it's really pushing it's luck and two of them don't need their own movies. Arguably 3.

>Movie for each Sinister 6 villain

Then ASM2 doesn't need the "2" and should have been "ASM: Electro, Rhino and Green Goblin." Each one of these movies are their own sequels, they are not spin offs.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:38:10 No.71358987
>>71357193
>Never ever considered Miles Morales
Good

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:38:14 No.71358988
>>71358936
For it to be character development, the characters would actually need to develop, not stayed the exact same way in the trilogy.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:39:14 No.71359003
>>71358936
>written in a way that makes them look like actual human beings

Crybaby with no other trait and cunt who is a cunt for the sake of it being human? That's bad writing.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:39:35 No.71359008
>>71357235
Holy shit, that Amazing Spiderman Kraven is the biggest backpedal Ive ever fucking seen

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:40:14 No.71359017
>>71358959
PG-13 is Iron Man. Hard PG-13 is The Dark Knight.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:42:13 No.71359042
>>71359008
I know
>Have Peter graduate High School
>Kill Gwen Stacy
>Kill Norman Osborn
>Then do movie that reverses all of that

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:43:20 No.71359059
>>71358988
>stayed the exact same way in the trilogy.
Nigger, if Spiderman 3 did something right was MJ's development, how the things were turning around with Spidey/Peter becoming the new celebrity while her career was dying, leading to jealousy and all
It's a shame tho, the way the movie ended made it impossible to see a proper conclusion to that subplot because it was too busy focusing on Harry and Sandman

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:46:15 No.71359104
>>71359059
>if Spiderman 3 did something right was MJ's development

She stays the same. She's cunty. Even when you give her selfishness a reason, she's still selfish and a cunt. She always uses him as an item since the beginning. She doesn't develop, she's nothing more than a useless plot device. There's nothing remotely human about her except "I'm a tool to the main character." If this was the first movie it would be fine, and the second movie left on a note that maybe she'd get better.

She doesn't, the Raimiverse dies and old habits dies hard for her

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:48:32 No.71359136
>>71359017
Ah ok, still feel like a Carnage film should be higher than that but then again it looks like just a big team up film anyway so it probably would've sucked.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:48:40 No.71359138
>>71358450
As someone mentioned earlier, this makes me wonder wether Suicide Squad will face similar problems.
No parent would ever buy their kids a toy that says "Suicide" or "Deadshot"

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:50:42 No.71359172
>>71358379
You would expect the people who are trying to mine Spider-Man stories to make movies to actually read the stories and not go off of wiki descriptions or fansites

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:50:54 No.71359174
>>71357694
Can we stop hatefucking Feige long enough to see that your calling Peters father subplot, the lack of focus on Harry and the general sloppiness of the several POVs "the best parts of the film"?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:52:21 No.71359192
>>71359138
Suicide I can see but I don't think Deadshot would be much of a problem.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:54:04 No.71359218
>>71357940
>He thinks the on and off relationship subplot was good

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:54:55 No.71359234
>>71357235
>>71357250
I know they wanted to make a Spidey-Verse, but you can't just have every film end with "And then Spider-Man beats them"

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 13:56:26 No.71359264
>>71358230
>SHUT UP AND TAKE OUR MONEY
leave.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 14:01:30 No.71359336
>>71359136
You really don't need to go R with Carnage. He stabs people, they fall down. Boom. Hell, even the second Chronicals of Narnia film has a kid beheading a guy onscreen.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 14:02:51 No.71359356
>>71357193
Do these leaks say who the hell that mysterious man in the hat and suit who meets with Harry and breaks into Oscorp is and what his role was?

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Vash17 2015-04-18 14:08:16 No.71359425
>>71359356

We knew that already. He was Gustav Fiers, aka The Gentleman. A character from some pretty shit Spider-Man prose novels.

He was basically Norman's consigliere in the ASM movies. They honestly took the name and the outfit of the book character and threw everything else out.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 14:16:00 No.71359580
>>71357490
>Andrew’s performance is all over the place…a lot of crying and then a lot of mania. Hard to track him emotionally sometimes. It undermines his reaction to Gwen’s death b/c he gets upset and emotional a lot

So much this.. while her death was shocking (looking), it was harder to connect emotionally due to his reaction being, less impact-full

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 14:21:19 No.71359679
>>71358798
Yes, cause that's what they want to do, limit their most popular hero from kids for some obnoxious "Killing is fun" villain.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 14:21:21 No.71359680
>>71357382
Avi Arad is good at getting studios to do movies.
Marvel had a hard time for years because even though they kept selling rights hoping someone would do movies that would raise Marvel's profile, the studios never did. Avi Arad started playing hardball with the studios and thanks to him films got made.
Arad deserves some credit for that alone

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 14:23:08 No.71359718
>>71358781
>>71358653
Yeah, I think it's been known for a while that a lot of Green Lantern's problems were through the fault of some horrible executive meddling... like, the end fight in Coast City was supposed to have Sinestro, Kilowog, and Tomar-Re helping Hal (there's concept art in the 'Making of the Movie' art book that shows this, if anyone's curious), but they had them removed because the suits thought the fight with Parallax was supposed to be Hal's fight alone.

And that's not even the tip of the iceberg there.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 14:26:00 No.71359772
>>71359718
I'm not saying executive meddling isn't a problem, but I am saying that Ryan Reynolds only has one character he can play. And that character is not Hal Jordan.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 14:26:22 No.71359782
>>71359718
I kindof agree actually, while it would've been good to get more sinestro and kilowog screen time, the end conflict should be fought solo with the hero of the story. pallax sucked in that movie anyway so it would've looked dumb.

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Vash17 2015-04-18 14:27:32 No.71359807
>>71359772

>never saw Buried
>never saw Smokin' Aces

Yeah sure thing buddy.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 14:59:36 No.71360448
Is the Ultimate comics universe just a universe of movie pitches or what? They seem to act a template for a lot of Marvel's capeshit movies.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 15:28:03 No.71360975
>>71358614
Foolish man. He prayed for Hollywood, and it found him!

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 15:28:05 No.71360977
>>71357808
This conspiracy theory again? How many X books are there?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 15:30:47 No.71361032
>>71357552

I'd rather have an Aunt May movie than a Miles Morales movie.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 15:32:52 No.71361071
>>71360448
Well, a lot of them were written by Millar...

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 15:33:33 No.71361078
>>71358653
Ryan Reynolds is a good actor with the worst agent in Hollywood.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 15:34:44 No.71361101
>>71359264
>can't reference a scene from a popular cartoon show on the comics and cartoons board

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 15:37:18 No.71361145
>>71357193
>Never ever considered Miles Morales
Wow. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. eh?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 15:51:43 No.71361415
>>71360448
That's pretty much what Jemas and Quesada intended it to be

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 15:53:12 No.71361445
>>71360977
The conspiracy theory is that even if Marvel comics produces X-Books, all other divisions of Marvel ignore X-Men as much as possible.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 15:56:07 No.71361502
>>71357193
>>Never ever considered Miles Morales
But that's a fantastic executive decision. Nigger

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:00:21 No.71361558
>>71358309
They're either jewish or they know the right people who owe(d) them favors.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:10:30 No.71361734
>>71357808
I won't defend this shit, but I still blame more Hickman for that hack job of an event that lead to an abrupt ending to Deadpool

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:10:55 No.71361745
>>71357235
>make a sequel to ASM where you kill off Gwen Stacy
>then make a movie that happens between them where she's still alive

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:13:12 No.71361787
>>71357250
>2099 2
That sounds clumsy. Why not use a subtitle after 2099? Why not grow a pair and call it 2100?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:13:15 No.71361788
>>71357250
>>Carnage (2019) - the event that everyone has been wanting.

I can't stop laughing.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:16:20 No.71361864
>>71361745
Interquels are even dumber than prequels
You can tell from the e-mails that they were making everything up as they want, throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:16:59 No.71361884
>>71357552
But they did do Ultimate Spider-Man. Didn't you watch ASM?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:17:15 No.71361889
>>71357490
>Andrew’s performance is all over the place…a lot of crying and then a lot of mania. Hard to track him emotionally sometimes. It undermines his reaction to Gwen’s death b/c he gets upset and emotional a lot.

Shitty actor getting BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:23:50 No.71362027
>>71357940
Understand that there's a better way to do every single thing in that movie, and that not every change would automatically make it shit.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:27:01 No.71362107
>>71358572
>You're now aware that every single movie MJ has been in has involved her being kidnapped by the main villain

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:29:49 No.71362167
>>71357605
I've noticed that the only people I see in these threads calling Feige retarded, a faggot, or whatever, all seem to think he works for DC.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:33:38 No.71362244
>>71358380
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:34:39 No.71362270
>>71358485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:35:39 No.71362290
>>71359807
>namefagging

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:38:32 No.71362360
>>71357193
>Never ever considered Miles Morales
That's the only good idea they had.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:40:57 No.71362416
>>71362360
this.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:42:21 No.71362443
>>71361445
What are the other divisions?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:43:21 No.71362464
>>71362360
Thank God for that!

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Freedonia 2015-04-18 16:44:19 No.71362486
>>71358572
What are you talking about? Uncle Ben died, Peter learned a lesson about having power, then rescued MJ.

We didn't need three people to die to teach the lesson on three separate occasions.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:44:41 No.71362494
>>71358402
>Peter was never some middling loser nerd, Peter was an isolationist, who cared more about school/science than having friends and anything else.
How are these two things different?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:44:52 No.71362502
>>71362486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:53:37 No.71362692
>>71362443
Everything non-comic related: TV, videogames, toys, merchandising, theme parks...
Very little X-Men presence to be found. Even less FF

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 16:56:51 No.71362749
Not that it isn't clear that Sony was crashing and burning with their Spider-man plans, but I wonder how much of this back and forth idea swapping is actually really common. I could almost guarantee you'd find similar stuff with DC. Marvel might be tighter, but probably still has some of this.

I never realized how much franchise potential Spidey, had, though. All of that Spidey in so little time would have been absolute overkill though.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 17:01:05 No.71362826
>>71358236
They already do the forth wall stuff with House of Cards

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 17:05:10 No.71362901
>>71362749
We know for a fact that DC was in a similar situation not long ago. Not knowing what to do with anything but Batman.
WB needs to do a North Korea bashing movie so they'll get hacked

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 17:09:15 No.71362996
>>71357477
>>71357490
Holy shit, Feige edited the entire movie to be watchable in an e-mail correspondence.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 17:12:46 No.71363059
>>71359718

What is the iceberg? I've never seen a good rundown on how the studio fucked up the Green Lantern film.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 17:18:09 No.71363168
>>71357235
>Ultimate Goblin movie

Thank god that never came to light.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 17:26:32 No.71363330
>>71358798
Being honest here, the difference between a pg-13 movie nowadays and an R movie are maybe nudity, and more than one use of the word fuck.

Thats it.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 17:45:45 No.71363818
I am surprised studios don't have more "inside info" about each other

Basically all the info in the mails about what Marvel is doing or what DC/Fox is doing is just what the press is saying

I would have thought they know much more

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 17:53:28 No.71364024
Any more emails in there about "Sam Raimi pls help" after ASm2 flopped?

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:03:27 No.71364318
>>71363818
im sure parts of the studios do, but obviously not every exec or it would quickly be leaked

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:10:33 No.71364532
>>71361071
>>71361415
Really? They seemed to basically be adaptations. Like Ultimate was to 616 what the DCAU was to DC, or any given film or tv series was to the source.

Nothing really revolutionary about them,

The films don't even adapt them anymore than they do the concepts in general.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:15:35 No.71364665
Also Ay Adams comes from these mails as totally incompetent 15 year old, running a student council or something

Maybe it's because of the way she types, with misspelling in almost every word

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Boco 2015-04-18 18:17:18 No.71364719
And these morons wanted to make a Smash Bros movie.

Wow.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:21:17 No.71364834
>>71357235
>Amazing Spider-man: Kraven (in Sinister 6 slot in 2016) - in a never before move we do a prequel to ASM2, Gwen is still alive.

Jesus christ, even the first sentence of this shit is the stupidest thing I've heard in my life.

What the fuck were they thinking? I almost wish this shit got made so we could laugh at how terrible it was, but after having seen how many people on /co/ still defend ASM2 I know we'd constantly have to deal with retards claiming these movies would be good.

Thank you based North Korea.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:25:20 No.71364930
I like those notes from a focus group - not for the movie, but about the TV spots.

>Hi all,
>Here is an overview of the Spider-Man groups this evening in Boston.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 came up unaided in two of the three groups, with only females 20-29 needing prompting.
>In all three groups, final interest levels outpaced interest based on individual spots (only Glory in the third group matched their final tally of 9 definite interest). That said, final interest was nearly universal, with 8-9 definite and the rest probable. This is a clear indication that enthusiasm for the film comes from multiple looks rather than just one positioning. This is also consistent with the findings from the groups last week.

>The following spots stood out as candidates for the campaign:

>Everything Changes. This spot was the clear standout of the night - it reached the highest levels of definite interest in both the first and third groups, and was the second most-popular spot in the second group. Viewers liked that it gave you more information about Electro, but also had a balance between Electro and Green Goblin. It also introduced the villains but then pivoted to the personal stakes for Spider-Man, which women in particular were interested in. Many viewers specifically cited the copy here as memorable, and viewers felt it provided enough background without giving too much away. Greatest. This spot was shown in groups 1 and 3 and was well-received in both. This spot made the villains themselves feel like a serious threat, especially with the "enemies unite" copy that was called out in both groups as a strong positive. Promise. The success of Promise mirrored its success in testing quite closely: viewers did not believe Gwen died in the spot - and in fact about half of the viewers believed there was no way Gwen would die in the movie - but they liked the suspenseful presentation anyway.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:26:21 No.71364958
>>71364930
>This spot was strong with the first and second groups (the latter of which has a caveat below) but the third group felt it was still too much about Gwen in the beginning. Glory and New Era performed well. Glory was strong in the last group, where viewers saw it first and were excited by the action, but the first group had a slight preference for New Era, which felt darker (in a good way).

>The following spots were less successful:

> Friends/Enemies. This spot was shown in the first and third groups and had moderate success with little enthusiasm. Viewers were much less interested in Harry's story, either because it made the movie feel small, as one viewer put it in the third group, or because they have already seen Green Goblin in the first iteration of Spider-Man, as one viewer said in the first group. In general, viewers were most interested in Electro in terms of the villains, and while all three groups were clear that they want it to be a combo package, this emphasis on Green Goblin was less engaging. Everything Gwen-heavy. Heart and Chemistry played up the banter between Gwen and Peter, and both spots failed to generate enthusiasm in the female group, which was generally looking for the same things the males were looking for: action, villains, and an engaging story. Emma also fell short with this group, as they felt that she was distracting and even for a few viewers "pushy." Interestingly, after a string of Gwen-heavy spots, Promise played very well to this group, who felt like the spot pivoted away from making the love angle exclusively about Gwen and more about family and affection in general. Still, the best spot for this group from an interest perspective was Greatest F, which did include a little of the romantic element - they liked that it showed that Gwen wants to help without being too aggressive. Clearly, for these females, a little went a long way.
Initial thoughts moving forward:

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Based Kim 2015-04-18 18:26:43 No.71364968
>>71364834
You're welcome.
You can show your gratitude by sending us money, weapons and food.
Mostly money and weapons, since I have plenty of food for myself

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:27:21 No.71364986
>>71364958
>Suspense continues to dominate. Viewers like seeing big moments like Gwen and Spidey crashing through the window, but they also like seeing Spidey put to the test by multiple villains with a hidden agenda. The Oscorp/family history element remains a strong way to combine the villains and give viewers a sense of the elevated stakes. Electro deserves a spot. While people don't want to see just Electro, viewers were interested enough in seeing more of Jamie Foxx as Electro that developing something focused on this character is recommended. Ideally, this spot would feature plenty of the eye-catching special effects surrounding Electro - which were popular in all three groups tonight - and still feature some of the other villains and Spidey for balance. Additionally, the spot would include a bit of the "origin" of Electro and how he came to be. Gwen in prescribed doses. Viewers want Gwen to fit into Spidey's world, not the other way around. Moments like the webbing can be used in materials targeted at females and viewers who are more likely to be interested in the human side of Spidey, but viewers who are looking for an action spectacular can be turned off if materials turn too jokey. It's probably best to limit these materials and include one comedic or romantic moment at most, instead emphasizing the suspense surrounding her fate and the larger family stakes.

>Sent from my iPhone

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:30:08 No.71365075
>>71364958
>>71364986
It''s interesting, seeing how these focus groups work.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:30:12 No.71365077
Notes from focus group for the actual movie:
>1 great. 2 very good. 1 good.
>10 excellent. 8 very good. 4 good.
>
>Like:
>Spidey is NY hero
>PP is funny (fixing webshooter)
>Revealing truth of father (almost everyone loved the backstory opening; got his nobility from his father)
>Great action - Electro; Armored Truck; Power Plant; Goblin transformation
>Funny - everyone liked the humor: pulling down Alexis' pants; bedroom scene; sleeping on ceiling; Graduation call;
>
>Favorite character - Spiderman: sarcasm, humor, insecure; conflicted and regret
>
>Gwen's death
>Aunt May talks about "my boy"
>Time passing in the graveyard
>Wind turbine and little boy at the end
>
>Love Max before he was Electro. Good scene when people first see him and why he goes to hating Spider-Man.
>- 3/4 think Max's transition from liking to hating Spidey was too fast.
>
>Most people love Harry. Creepy guy, easy to imagine his evil turn. Like twist on Green Goblin (wasn't Norman).
>
>Confusing -
>Electro's feelings towards Spidey.
>Why wasn't Spidey ever electrocuted?
>Why was Parker dna important, didn't feel like it paid off.
>What kind of illness do the Osborne's have?
>
>Like that Gwen is smarter than Peter
>
>14 like ending; 2 don't like; 9 in the middle
>Speech - 3/4 like. 4 didn't like; 2 in middle
>Rhino - 9 like, 9 didn't like, 7 in middle
>- is Green Goblin dead?
>- he quits being Spidey then he goes after Rhino
>- Gwen told him to go live his life
>- better if that was the first time we saw the speech. Not everyone agreed, different meaning the second time.
>- felt sad
>- feel happy because of Rhino part
>- anticipating the next one
>- reminded them of the Incredibles
>- felt like cramming "spidey no more" into last 5 minutes.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:31:12 No.71365103
>>71365077
>Why not excellent:
>- Electro is a cool character but doesn't seem important to the movie
>- pacing - Harry and Romance too long.
>
>8 just right
>3 too slow
>1/2 dragged in parts
>
>Took a long time for Peter to go through his dad's stuff
>Too much of the parts in slow motion
>Highline too long (ground rules)
>Oxford
>Planes in the air
>
>Definitely recommend - 12
>Probably recommend - 7
>
>See it right away - 0
>See if you have a chance - 3
>
>Balance of action and comedy
>Intro of multiple villains
>Electro finale
>Big improvement over the first movie
>Clever twist
>Action, humor, conflicted romance

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:37:22 No.71365264
Haha. They seriously didn't have any talks about Spidey at first, and only because of the rumors about having talks, they started having talks. That's funny.

>On Oct 7, 2014, at 4:53 PM,
>
> Amy - pondering this further:
>
> Even if there was talk at Marvel about trying to approach you guys about some kind of Spidey deal, I don't think they'd leak it to the press first. At least, not intentionally and I would think you'd have heard from them by now about it.
>
> There was always a problem at Marvel with info getting leaked out - sometimes accurate but often times exaggerated or inaccurate. It drove us crazy.
>
> I think it's another one of these crazy Internet rumors and here's what I think happened:
>
> Recently, rumors started flying around online about Marvel leading up to a "Civil War" scenario in the films (based on the comic book story from 10 years ago).
>
> Of course, in the comics, Spidey was a major part of that story, however, the movies would obviously be a different version of the Civil War story.
>
> I think that possibly there were leaks about possible Civil War movie discussions, and someone along the line just assumed this meant that Spidey would somehow be involved.
>
> Voila, next thing you know, Marvel & Sony are having talks.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> -Tom
>

Of course there is the irony of Sony being angry at Marvel about stuff getting leaked out...

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:40:32 No.71365351
>>71357193
>Never ever considered Miles Morales
basedSony

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:42:00 No.71365392
>>71357235
>>71357250
Fuck.
I wish he was still at Sony now.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:44:02 No.71365468
>>71365392
Don't be fooled anon, there's no way those things would ever get made once the box office numbers to the Sinister Six came in (Assuming SS ever even got made)

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:44:45 No.71365494
And they say that online petitions never change anything! This was a petition with NINE (!!!) signatures and they still talked about it at the top level of the studio

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Frank Berzerk <
> Date: May 7, 2014 at 3:40:00 AM PDT
> To: "Pascal, Amy" >
> Subject: Revert Spider-Man's movie rights back to Marvel Studios.
>
> Dear Amy Pascal,
>
> I just signed Juan Carlos De los Reyes's petition "Michael Lynton: Revert Spider-Man's movie rights back to Marvel Studios." on Change.org.
>
>
> Revert Spider-Man's movie rights back to Marvel Studios. PLEASE!
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Frank Hà Noi, Viet Nam
>
> There are now 9 signatures on this petition. Read reasons why people are signing, and respond to Jua

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:45:57 No.71365542
>>71357477
>>71357490
>>71357500
I'm glad Feige wasn't involved.

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:54:39 No.71365820
Feige's e-mail is in there.... not hard to guess, but still!

KFeige@marvel.com

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:56:34 No.71365877
>>71365820
by googling the mail, I found more mails of Marvel people, even the all-mighty Ike

Isaac (Ike) Perlmutter President ip@marvel.com
Axel Alonso, Editor in Chief aalonso@marvel.com
Tom Brevoort, Senior Vice President of Publishing & Executive Editor TBrevoort@marvel.com

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 18:59:49 No.71365990
>>71365877
...or iperl@marvel.com

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Anonymous 2015-04-18 19:02:39 No.71366080
Reading the mails, there was some argument with Goddard over Netflix, Daredevil and Sinister 6... and I cannot really decipher it







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