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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:21:24 No.21975206

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No general thread up. So here we go..

WEIGHTLIFTING GENERAL

Since I started with weightlifting some weeks ago. Should I drop out the bench press exclusively from my program and do push presses instead?
Is the bench press so inferior in weightlifting that you should use your energy for other stuff?


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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:23:55 No.21975222
Bench press is the most fun weightlifting exercise.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:25:26 No.21975236
>>21975206
I'm no oly lifter, but I can't see how benching would benefit your C&J or snatch.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:25:37 No.21975241
>asks for advice
>no training history, stats, goals, etc

You deserve to get trolled by 50kg snatchers into dropping bench press because ''muh pure weightlifting program''.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:25:38 No.21975242
>>21975206
How is a full body compound useless?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:26:00 No.21975246
>>21975222
Fucking hell dont start this shit.
Everyone knows that you are an obvious troll.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:26:22 No.21975250
>>21975206
arent you not supposed to look to the side when lifting heavy ass weight?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:27:30 No.21975263
>>21975241
I already stated in the OP that im a total noob when it comes to weightlifting. You want my stats for snatch+CJ? Oh its fucking nothing, there you go bro.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:27:47 No.21975264
>>21975222
>>21975242
lol

>>21975236
fuck off, armchair lifter. you are exactly the kind of person that ruins online weightlifting communities

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:28:57 No.21975277
>>21975263
Fuck you're retarded.

What are your goals? What do you squat, front squat, ohp, push press etc?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:29:16 No.21975279
>>21975263
>doesn't tell how much he benches
>doesn't tell how much he presses (or push presses)
>no squat or dead/pull variant stats

Seriously, nigger?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:34:03 No.21975314
>>21975206
Focus on OHP and push press instead. if you want some muscles for your chest then do standing cable flyes.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:34:38 No.21975319
>>21975277
>>21975279
Why would you need my stats? Im too fucking ashamed to post them, thats why I havnt already. Im weak.

All im asking is, is benching beneficial for weightlifting?

Okay fine fucking faggots.
>What are your goals?
To become really fucking strong

Im doing SL currently
>Squat
82,5 kg(havnt hit failure yet,still going up in weights)
>BP
60kg(hit fail several times)
>OHP
40kg
>PP
42,5(not made it yet due to bad technique)
>DL
95kg
>front squat
Havnt begun doing that yet

These are all rep stats, not my 1RM. You happy now? It takes a lot of courage you know to post these bad stats.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:36:14 No.21975333
>>21975250
lel gud1 m8

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:38:06 No.21975339
>>21975319
>It takes a lot of courage you know to post these bad stats.
On an anonymous anime image board?

Well no, there is no real benefit to benching for oly lifting but I think you're going to find that it's too hard to learn proper form for the oly lifts without a coach, you'll make no progress and be back to regular strength training. If you're seriously commited to it then cut out bench, but I'm thinking that you'll just come to strength training and have a really shitty bench

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:38:41 No.21975344
>>21975319
those are terrible you should just kill yourself instead OP

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:39:33 No.21975351
>>21975250
he had just snatched the weight, and he clearly know how to controll it. Pyrros Dimas used to have a little "victory" pause when lifting.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:40:18 No.21975357
Will someone please aware me why the bench press is a useless movement?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:40:44 No.21975361
>>21975339
You are jumping to conclusions
>>21975344
B-but im almost intermediate lifts at strstds.com?
>67kg

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:42:43 No.21975373
powerclean information besides SS handbook. anybody? tutorials, legit videos, etc.? third time asking in as many days with no response.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:42:57 No.21975376
>>21975361
I'm jumping to the conclusion that you don't have a coach because you're asking programming questions. If you don't have a coach then technique is going to be very hard to learn. I don't think you understand how hard it will be.

Also you're not even close to intermediate, strstd makes everyone feel good about themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK8O0krh-Kw

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:43:01 No.21975377
>>21975339
>you'll make no progress and be back to regular strength training

i wouldnt say this is right.
people think Oly lifts are some godgiven exercises that requires the upmost perfect form, and if you dont have then that you wont progress and you will die.
people overhyper those exercises so much. its ridiculous.

just focus on general strength and technique. your form doesnt have to be perfect. keep working on your technique with video recordings. you can do it by yourself.
people who thinks a coach is ABSOLUTE needed have no clue. you can learn it yourself well enough without one if you are self aware.

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Marcel 2013-08-15 07:43:49 No.21975385
Anyone here ever deal with an intercostal strain? Particularly wondering about the viability of working through it with front squats since it takes so long to rehab. I tried a few walk outs in rack position and it seemed to go OK.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:45:29 No.21975395
>>21975376
So you are infact telling me to dont start weightlifting?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:48:59 No.21975421
>>21975395
I'm telling you it's going to be very hard, and you should seriously consider if it's what you want to do. Are you doing it because Kyle Harrington (who has a coach) or Cal strength made it look cool? Are you doing it because you want to be SO SHREDDED xDDD like some Chinese oly lifter? Don't just not do it if you feel it's something you would really enjoy, but seriously consider if you are going to put in the enormous amount of time and effort it will require to be even passable as OK.

But yeah, if you're serious about it and you don't really care how your chest looks then there's no real reason to use energy on bench you could on on push press/OHP

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The British 2013-08-15 07:49:22 No.21975424
>>21975376
This, use strengthcalc instead, its somewhat more... realistic.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:49:35 No.21975425
>>21975376
it isnt that hard. read about the technique, and read a lot. watch some videos
then try it out for yourself. pay attention to how you perform it and record yourself so you can track the bar bath.

ITS THAT HARD!
sure, if you are going to be olmpic champion then its crucial to get a coach, but it can be self taught pretty good.
people put those exercises on a pedestall for no reason. sure they are a bit more technical then most exercises, but tha doesnt mean it cant be self thaught to and get a good technique

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:51:49 No.21975440
>>21975421
>Are you doing it because you want to be SO SHREDDED xDDD like some Chinese oly lifter?

>>21975319
>What are your goals?
>To become really fucking strong

You are just jumping to conclusions and then you dont listen to the response.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:51:58 No.21975445
>>21975425
btw im not saying getting a coach isnt usefull. it is very usefull indeed and will give you progress A LOT faster, but everyone cant afford a coach or may not even be close to one.

so teaching it yourself is acceptable if you are humble, and self aware. video record and compare to others, and read about it.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:53:38 No.21975460
>>21975440
Why are you mad? To become really fucking strong is a really broad statement, and I didn't know what you meant by that.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:54:40 No.21975470
>>21975460
You are the one thats mad

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:56:21 No.21975482
>>21975470
WOW YOU'RE JUST JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS

I'm out, have fun snatching 70kg this time next year

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:57:44 No.21975494

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I developed tendonitis in my right wrist, now I can't do cleans with bigger weights. Somehow I manage to do front squats but on off days it hurts like a bitch. Any recommendations?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:58:14 No.21975501
>>21975440
just do a regulare strength program with one of the lifts before your program as a warm up. i highly recommend getting the book:
Olympic Weightlifting: A Complete Guide for Athletes & Coaches by greg everett

stick with your current strength program and work on oly technique. the more the better. use the steps shown in the book.

so on workout A you would start with C&J and/or it variations for learning.
on B you start with Snatch and/or it variations for learning

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:58:57 No.21975511
>>21975482
Haha you´re ridiculous

Thanks for the......advice or whatever you tried to give

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 07:59:20 No.21975518
>>21975494
rest and visit a physiotherapist with some experience with athletes.

DO NOT go to a chiropractor. because they are bullshit. and made from bullshit.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:00:01 No.21975527
>>21975501
and drop out the bench press? thx a lot btw

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Marcel 2013-08-15 08:01:22 No.21975537

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>>21975494
>>21975518
Consider getting wrist wraps as well. Really helpful if you do high volume or frequency work.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:02:34 No.21975550

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Ive started doing snatch grip presses but near lock out i find a weird tightness on my left side only, it runs down the tricep on the latt,

Any one else felt this? im only going light and have tried alot of stretching.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:03:34 No.21975566
"Strong as an oxe" Olympic weightlifting program with videos. Anyone got any experiance with this?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:05:18 No.21975583
>tfw Clean is 5kg off FS max

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:06:53 No.21975606
>>21975527
yeah, focus on OHP and push press instead. if you want some chest work done, then do standing cable flyes.

>>21975537
stop doing oly lifts and let it fucking rest before it gets chronical and you cant fucking wipe your ass without it inflaming. visit a physiotherapist with some experience.
if not that start slowly by doing some strength work for your wrists and after a long period of time(WAY after the pain have gone) start stretching, slowly.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:07:00 No.21975609

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>>21975537
I already use them, they are good for front squats when I have time to get my wrists in the right position. Although I can't even power clean 100kg without pain because everything just happens too fast.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:07:51 No.21975616
>>21975550
stay away from everything done behind your head. your probably dont have the propper strength or mobility to do it, and it can fuck your shit up, hard.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:12:36 No.21975658
>>21975527
If your lifts are shit tier you need to focus on building up a strong base. This includes "heavy" OHP + Squat work (both highbar back squat and front squats).

Oly focused programs wont always get you strong. I second other anon's advice of keeping with SL and doing an oly movement first then the strength work.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:20:09 No.21975724
>>21975658
Gotcha

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:20:25 No.21975726
>>21975206

There's no reason you can't do bench pressing.

Just don't do it as often.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:21:39 No.21975738
>>21975658
What was the name of that one namefag who advocates very high volume oly lifts every day but never lifts any heavier?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:23:54 No.21975752
When power cleaning/cleaning are my shoulders supposed to be in front of the bar?
Also, how far should I squat down before I lift the bar and where should my shins be relative to the bar?

Also, in the 2nd pull am I supposed to lean back slightly?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:25:16 No.21975766
>>21975738
Pas advocates high freq but he is getting steadily stronger.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:27:48 No.21975788
>>21975752
california strength have a lot of good videoes on technique

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:38:20 No.21975871
OP, just fucking clean and press and clean and push press if you want to look cool in the gym and get strong and functional as fuck.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 08:58:59 No.21976091
I'm not going to read all this bull shit thread. But in answer to OPs question.

Essentially, the bench press is great for developing brute strenght in the chest and tris. Probably without equal.
So that's good, and for a n00b lifter that's a great thing to be working on... so bench.

On the other hand, you can tighten up your shoulder felxibility and make overhead squating or snatch work difficult. All weightlifting books (available all over the fucking internet you cunt) address this.

But since you're weightlifting now, just do what your coach tells you. If you don't have a coach, and / or haven't competed, don't dare call yourself a weightlifter or claim you weightlift. You need a coach at least and you need to be focused on competition. Adipowers does not a weightlifter make.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 09:05:52 No.21976169
>>21976091
wao a dickish WLer, such rare

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 09:09:42 No.21976208
I have been powerlifting for about a year.

160kg/100kg/210kg at the same time weightlifter bro was teaching me power cleans and clean pulls i think it was called.


Anyway i have moved away so i am no longer in contact with him. Was wondering what you guys would think of doing something like this

Monday Week 1
Clean P + H. clean (knee)
Push Press
Back squat
Accessory movements

Wednesday

Clean & push Press 1x10
Front squat 3x3
Bench press or military press 3x5

C. pull + H. Clean (hip)
Behind the neck push press
Back squat
Deadlift ( I have a goal of 280kg so i want to keep these in) but will do 1x5 intill i want to focus on them again before a comp
then back off with weight and do clean pulls.

The following week I would clean & puss press Monday and Friday. With deadlifts on friday as well.

Accessory movements would be to target lagging muscles so for me i would do
Pendlay row
Stiff leg deadlift
rear delt shoulder laterals.
Weighted planks
chin ups.

Not all on the same day however.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 09:24:51 No.21976366
>>21976169
We're sound to each other, and to real niggas. But to /fitizens, yeah fuck you guys.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 09:27:28 No.21976385
>>21976366
not rly tho

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 09:30:15 No.21976415
>>21976208
THat's all fine.

But you should be learning to snatch before you learn to C&J.

So maybe you're not confident doing that without a coach, but at the very least you need to be doing overhead squats, drop snatches, snatch balances, snatch grip DLs, etc.

That way, when you do have a coach, or whatever, you'll be able to get stuck right in to learning stuff very well very quickly.

Look at me being sound and offering advice. haha

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 09:30:52 No.21976418
>>21976385
It's dubs of truth. Don't fight it.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 09:35:01 No.21976454
Really want to get into oly lifting, but there are no gyms in my area where i can get a coach, so selftraining only

Doing SS now with some powersnatch and powerclean and jerk added into it, are there any easy to follow routines?

also how do i get more flexible with cleaning the bar?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 09:35:14 No.21976456
>>21976415
I have already done snatch grip deads and i have started doing broomstick overhead squats but i need the flexibility in my shoulders. Which is why i'm doing push press instead of jerks.

Will look up those other exercises, thanks mate.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 09:38:24 No.21976483
>>21975319
>82,5 kg(havnt hit failure yet,still going up in weights)

You haven't even hit failure and you're bitching about stuff. Dude take this advice and take it good:

Shut the fuck up and carry on lifting. All you need to focus on is your form, progression and your diet. There is nothing else that should concern you at this very point. Jeez

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 09:41:53 No.21976515
>>21976454
Your best bet is to follow something like SS.
But add in a lot of flexibility work, attempt overhead squats while standing close to, and facing, a wall. The overhead squat is probably the best exercise for learning the oly lifts to begin with and without a coach.

You also want to stretch your hamstrings... so straight legged deadlifts (and stiff legged deadlifts) will help there.

>>21976456
Excellent.

Both you guys would benefit from doing the first part (the support lifts) outlined in an article called 'A beautiful snatch' that was posted on t-nation years ago. In fact, because I'm a sound cunt
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/a_beautiful_snatch

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 10:30:18 No.21976984
My left shoulder fucks up during the PP. Its like its loses all its power. What am I doing wrong? :(

>>21976091
>If you don't have a coach, and / or haven't competed, don't dare call yourself a weightlifter or claim you weightlift.
>Doing weightlifting
>Not to claim your doing weightlifting

yeah ok. Do you think people brag about doing weightlifting you fucking cunt?

Nah

Its more like response as to when people ask what your training.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 11:42:00 No.21977814
>>21975319
I haven't worked out in over 8 months just started its been 3 weeks same states but i do ICF beginner routine then switching to big but boring in 8 months

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 11:46:03 No.21977863
>>21977814
yeah and I havnt worked out in like 8 years before going on the SL train. Do you feel better now?
(those are my stats from 3 months)

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 11:48:17 No.21977887
Started oly lifting in high school. 92.5kg power clean at 65kg bodyweight. Stopped before I could ever get decent snatch or jerk technique.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 11:56:10 No.21977983
>>21977863
I feel so much better like my strength has gone up, everything is easier how you finding it?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 11:59:37 No.21978030
Anyone know how close my hand snatch from about an inch below my hips should be too my full snatch? Right now its about 5kg off, making feel pretty fucking sure i have a shitty first pull/im scared of the weight

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 12:00:25 No.21978040
>>21978030
meant hang snatch

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Durkz 2013-08-15 12:05:47 No.21978101
>>21976984
I have a coach and we're I'm going to compete.
>Can I call myself a weightlifter?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 14:32:47 No.21979766
I'm fukken scared of doing barbell squats because I might have retarded form and I might snap something.

So I stick to the leg press.

is there much difference between the two though, other than the barbell squat looking more impressive?

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Midgetfuck 2013-08-15 14:33:59 No.21979781
I'm thinking of doing this to get the hang of oly lifts and variations then I'm gonna switch to another cycle on their website

http://www.catalystathletics.com/articles/article.php?articleID=131

What do you guys think?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 14:34:27 No.21979787
I'm interested in weightlifting, but my mobility is still not what I want it to be. How do I into Klokov mobility?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x522dB-4y2w

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 14:34:49 No.21979795
>>21979766

There is a huge difference.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 14:34:57 No.21979798
>>21975206

The thing with weightlifting and bench press is related to the fact that training your pec reduces your flexibility, in particular for the snatch.
My trainer says that the pec is the enemy of the snatch and rightly so but that doesn't mean you shouldn't train it.
You CAN bench press, you CAN train you pec but remember to ALWAYS do flexibility exercises for the pec before and after the training session.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 14:35:42 No.21979811
>>21979766
Squats aren't hard to learn, cleans are harder.

Squatting becomes nice when you learn how, I use the method taught in SS books.

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 14:50:14 No.21979994
>>21975206
When I do snatches, I get a numbness in my thumb, just on my right side though. Anyone get this? Maybe I have a bad grip on the bar? Any suggestions?

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Anonymous 2013-08-15 14:59:25 No.21980109
>>21979781
TBH, start with a stick and make sure you have good form. Weights have a way of messing with form to something difficult to fix.







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