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Anonymous 2013-06-10 05:58:39 No.11020186

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Did you do your reps yet, /jp/?


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Anonymous 2013-06-10 06:11:20 No.11020252
Yes.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 13:53:55 No.11021775
how the hell did i forget kana that quickly, christ

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 14:02:58 No.11021792
>>11021775
You were not using it. Use it.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 15:33:13 No.11021979
No, but I will now!

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 15:36:10 No.11021988
Yes Sir!

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 15:42:21 No.11022002
Am I the only one that thinks they should dump Katakana and just stick with Hiragana?

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 15:45:53 No.11022013
yes

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 15:46:30 No.11022014
>>11022002
Yes, because it's a stupid idea. Katakana is necessary for reading. Suck it up and learn them. After kana it only gets worse.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 15:47:19 No.11022017
>>11022014
so inspiring anon.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 15:47:40 No.11022018
https://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/11007910/#11016053
I bet this guy gave up already!

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 15:49:04 No.11022023
>>11022017
It's true. If you're whining about kana now and think katakana are too hard, you're going to quit when you get to kanji.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 15:52:18 No.11022034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va3QCXWX0oM

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 15:53:05 No.11022035
>>11022023
i'm not saying that your wrong, your vary correct.
just please so more faith

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 15:53:09 No.11022036
I did not do my reps but I did start attending a university class in Japanese today. Shit was pretty meh but had surprisingly few degenerates. It also made me realize that compared to most japanophiles I'm fucking superman.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 15:53:56 No.11022038
>>11022014
How it is necessary?

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 15:56:53 No.11022046
>>11022038
It's used for writing foreign loan words, onomatopoeia, various other words, and for emphasis. It's absolutely necessary to learn it.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 16:05:14 No.11022075
>>11022046
Also in certain things, like in some older writing, and I've seen it in a few video games too, it replaces hiragana entirely.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 16:16:21 No.11022126
>>11022046
Of course it is necessary to learn but I understood >>11022002 was thinking, Japanese should stop using katakana in their language. So I was asking, why it is necessary for language?

I don't see any reason why they should use it. Foreign names could be written by romaji and loan words by hiragana.

But yeah for man of science such as myself, it feels weird why languages are so illogical.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 16:28:49 No.11022163
>>11022126
gee, what's the point of having two versions of the same character anyway. one is just enough.

>could be written by romaji

?it. ??s is an even better idea.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 16:37:17 No.11022187
>>11022126

The Japanese can't read or pronounce Romanji. None of their words end with a consonant barring ???, and foreign words contain many sounds they can't pronounce. So foreign words have to be basically butchered to made so that the Japanese can pronounce them. They use Katakana to indicate that this word has been changed from it original pronunciation. Take "Flare". It has to be made into ??????(furuare) so they can pronounce it, which is nothing like how it supposed to be pronounced. Another reason is because homophones are common enough in Japanese already, Katakana helps the reader dramatically because it eliminates many possible words and leaving only a foreign one which they can guess. Its also stylistic.

Just learn it, for "a man of science", it really shouldn't be that difficult.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 16:38:24 No.11022189
>>11022163
?l

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 16:47:28 No.11022211
Would you say Anki is best used as a supplement to keep things fresh in your mind, or is it by itself enough? I enjoy drawing Kanji, but its getting to the point now where there's so many I would take an unreasonable amount of time to draw each one individually, but I get paranoid if I don't I'll forget. Would Anki be fine to use to learn new Kanji you've never drew before?

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 16:58:42 No.11022243
>>11022187
I don't have any problem with katakana. I just don't understand why they exist in current Japanese when they could be replaced so easily.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 17:01:23 No.11022251
>>11022243

For the reasons I just said and tradition.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 17:07:16 No.11022272
>>11022211
>Would you say Anki is best used as a supplement to keep things fresh in your mind, or is it by itself enough?
After using Anki for a good while (one year?), you will notice that a lot of the "related information" you had about a card has completely evaporated, even though you still know the answer.

I've had times when:
1) I was dead certain I didn't know a kanji I had seen, but then later it pops up in Anki and I am instantly able to write the kanji given the English keyword (using Heisig's method here).
2) I meet cards in my deck I didn't even know existed. Again, I know the answer, but I'm completely blown away by the fact that I had a card like that; I don't remember anything related to the card, other than the answer to the question.

So it's not so much "keep things fresh in your mind." In case you simply meant "is Anki enough for keeping things memorized?" then yes, it is. Drawing them is good both for learning to write them nicely as well as helping memorize them, once you get them into muscle memory, but it's not necessary for recall.

What I did was drop the number of kanjis I draw, e.g. only drawing every second kanji or every third.

Also, if you already aren't using something like James W. Heisig's method for remembering the kanji in conjunction with Anki, then I strongly recommend you check out his method. Kanji are so complex that without memory techniques, it will be harder to SRS them (because kanjis are harder to remember than e.g. a year).

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 17:08:32 No.11022279
>>11022126
Yeah, out of the thousands of characters you have to learn to read Japanese, those 46 or so are a true problem.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 17:10:47 No.11022287
>>11022251
And those reasons are poorly rationalized which is my entire point.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 17:13:31 No.11022301
>>11022287
Lol, "man of science" blathering about something non-scientific that he knows about. What a surprise. The reasons for retaining katakana make sense. Whether or not they fit into your autismal brain doesn't matter. The issue is whether they are useful to the Japanese.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 17:14:52 No.11022308
>>11022272

I'm just wondering because I'm thinking of making the step to stop drawing them. I know the stroke order for them now without looking it up, and I know enough radicals to be able to recognise them in most Kanji. But drawing them feels like a safety blanket- albeit and impracticable one.

>>11022287

Fixing those reasons would mean fundamentally changing the language. It serves other purposes, but they're more obscure. Also, tradition is a good enough reason. Language and writing don't have to conform to science.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 17:16:06 No.11022313
Learning kanji on their own is so boring, I think I'm going to give up on that and just add words+sentences to my decks as I read.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 17:19:57 No.11022326
>>11022287
Care to explain how writing foreign words in roman alphabet is viable in an extremely sound-poor language? Care to explain how using hiragana for foreign words would not worsen the problem of homophones? Care to explain how causing Japanese text to be less broken up by different types of characters would not make it harder to read due to said sound-poorness and homophone problem?

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 17:51:42 No.11022407
>>11022326
>are to explain how writing foreign words in roman alphabet is viable in an extremely sound-poor language?
I never said romaji should be used for foreign words. I said it should be used for names only. Maybe I am wrong, but I was under impression Japanese could read romaji.

Learning special alphabet for western names shouldn't be problem when they already have special yoo'ons for western names they can't pronounce.

>Care to explain how using hiragana for foreign words would not worsen the problem of homophones?
I can't think any loan words which would cause problems. Nothing would change if people started to write ??? instead of ??? or ??? instead of ???. Can you give me any example which words would cause problems?

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 17:54:10 No.11022417
>>11022407
JustbecausenothingWOULDreallychangeabouttheEnglishlanguageifyouabolishedthespacedoesn'tmeanthatitdoesn'tmakethingshardertoread.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 18:17:05 No.11022469
>>11022407
The main problem is readability, unless you want to give every loan word kanji it would be hard to read. Unlike english there are no spaces to separate words so it makes easier to keep them distinct.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 18:38:56 No.11022515
>>11022469
Well I see words written by hiragana alone and I don't think they are causing readability problems, such as ???? and ??.

But okay, I understand your point. Language has shifted in way where katakana has its purpose. Still if I invented Japanese, I would invent it without katakana.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 19:01:41 No.11022575
>>11022515
You mean ?? and ??? Yeah, it's unfortunate when people don't write them that way.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 19:09:48 No.11022599
>>11022575
Wow, I didn't know ?? had kanji.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 21:18:08 No.11023011
yup, finally down to zero from 1500 at the end of the day a week ago haha.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 21:20:00 No.11023018
>>11022599
Also ??
Please use these all the time for maximum cool

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 21:41:25 No.11023091
Anyone here is using a listening comprehension deck for anki?

Ive finished Core 2000 step 1 and 2, but I cant continue with step 3 because its really a big step in difficulty. I just dont feel like I need vocabs like "advanced skills" at the moment.
Are there any other decks you know?

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 21:43:12 No.11023103
>>11022599
it is just an ateji

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 21:44:19 No.11023111
>>11023091
not a deck but more a techinque, to get good listening comprehension shadow what you're watching/listening to as often as possible. Repeat what they say as best you can. Best way for getting listening comprehension and for not sounding like a round eye.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 21:48:18 No.11023130
>>11023111

Jpop songs are quite good to understand, but when Im watching a Jdrama e.g. I cant understand a single word.
What do you listen to to enhance your listening comprehension?

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 21:51:26 No.11023145
>>11023103
No it’s obviously not ateji.
? which ? place
? this ? place

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 21:51:26 No.11023146
>>11023130
You just keep listening to stuff. You need more exposure.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 21:57:46 No.11023169
>>11023130
anything works, but probably an anime or drama meant for a younger audience might be a bit easier to start with though it's more important it's something you enjoy. Personally i mostly did gaki no tsukai to start with, lots of physical comedy so you don't need to understand much. It sucks hard fat first, but hang in there and it'll eventually start to click, took me around a week before i stopped tripping over myself on even simple things haha, but it eventually becomes second nature

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 22:10:11 No.11023229
>>11023145
>An example of the opposite process (meaning only) is ?? (tabako) for "tobacco", where the individual kanji respectively mean "smoke" and "herb" but have no phonetic relationship to the word tabako. This is also considered a kind of ateji.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 22:11:46 No.11023236
>>11023229
Irrelevant quote, ?? is not ateji.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 22:50:19 No.11023362
I like how no one ever makes a question regarding grammar in these threads.

Guess that's why you go to /a/ instead.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 22:51:22 No.11023368
>>11023362
Pretty few people ask on /a/ either, honestly.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 22:54:40 No.11023384
>>11023362
news at 11. /jp/ is shit at everything except for VNs.

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Anonymous 2013-06-10 23:00:39 No.11023410
>>11023236
It is ateji
http://shimapucchi.blog93.fc2.com/blog-entry-379.html

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Anonymous 2013-06-11 05:48:53 No.11024859

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hello JP
/a/ is too beginner to help with this...

>anki.
how the shit do i bulk edit cards in this fuck?

im trying to use
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/4127109541
but it always says error.
i dont understand what to put for modleName?
i tried deck names and key words and neither worked.

i just want to put a type the answer box in like tae kims and kanjidamage exmples but for kanji decks
how do?

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Anonymous 2013-06-11 05:50:18 No.11024863
>>11023362
Most questions people have about grammar can be answered by looking in a grammar dictionary.

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Anonymous 2013-06-11 06:03:41 No.11024913
>>11020186
Yeah, about an hour ago. I did really badly, too.

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Anonymous 2013-06-11 06:53:48 No.11025091
A question: when you learn a new word, would you learn its respective kanji along with it, or just the word's reading?

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Anonymous 2013-06-11 07:00:14 No.11025106
>>11023362
>>11023368
>>11023384
>>11024859
Why are there so many /a/tards in here? I thought you guys wanted the Japanese language threads on your own board to never have to set a foot on /jp/? No wonder there's shit like the reaction image spam at >>11022439 happening now.

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Anonymous 2013-06-11 07:00:47 No.11025108
>>11025091
I went through all 3 RTK volumes so the vast majority of words I run into use kanji I already know. On the occasion that one has a new kanji, I put the kanji into my kanji deck, with on-yomi if needed, and the word into my vocab deck.

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Anonymous 2013-06-11 07:01:28 No.11025109
>>11025106
Looks like a standard shitty /jp/ thread, dude.

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Anonymous 2013-06-11 07:01:56 No.11025110
>>11025106
That's just /jp/ being shitty.

Well, maybe there's a little bit of /v/ in there.

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Anonymous 2013-06-11 07:02:25 No.11025112
>>11025108
Hmm. Thanks.

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Anonymous 2013-06-11 07:02:50 No.11025113
>>11025091
I can't think of a situation in which not learning kanji would be in any way advantageous.

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Anonymous 2013-06-11 07:10:41 No.11025130
>>11025091
Depends on how you learn. If you're one of those people that doesn't need to study kanji individually and can just go straight to vocab with no problems then I suppose you would just need the word. Otherwise get the kanji too.

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 05:38:32 No.11029040
>>11020186
The android app is terrible

Or I'm an idiot that can't figure out how to get it to work. I just use Obenkyo

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 05:57:52 No.11029088
>>11029040
The latter. it's plug and play, just login and sync and you're done.

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 16:12:40 No.11030266
guys how do i increase the font size on the flash cards themselves;;
please help

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 16:16:54 No.11030281
>>11030266
Google it and delete your post.

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 16:21:16 No.11030295
>>11030281
fuck you, you gay nerd

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 16:22:13 No.11030302
no

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 16:23:50 No.11030314
>>11030295
I f**k you're mom

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 16:24:00 No.11030315
>>11030302(you)

well do them

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 16:28:41 No.11030341
>>11030314
dude.. wtf? i come and ask a simple question and you insult me? google didnt help me at all it was all about people complaining about the andriod app. i used the help button on anki and read about the templates and figured out how to change the font myself. thanks for noting you bitter asshole

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 16:31:58 No.11030354
>>11030341
dude you want to fight or what
sage for you, asshole.

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 22:37:03 No.11031359
http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/ts/japanese/index.html

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 23:30:10 No.11031535
im better than all of you at japanese

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 23:37:05 No.11031560
>>11031535
???????????

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 23:38:00 No.11031563
>>11031560
????

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Anonymous 2013-06-12 23:47:25 No.11031588
>>11030295
>>11030302
>>11030314
>>11030315
>>11030341
>>11030354

thx for the laugh guys. made my day

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Anonymous 2013-06-13 15:59:34 No.11034650

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Should I have the hiragana and katakana completely memorized before I start learning phrases and how to communicate with the language? I've looked through Genki, and it looks like it has the romaji along with the hirigana/katakana/kanji.

Also, I've noticed that people often mention "the kana". Is this referencing the katakana, hirigana and katakana, or something else entirely?

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Anonymous 2013-06-13 16:04:33 No.11034656
>>11034650
Yes.

Hiragana and katakana.

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Anonymous 2013-06-13 16:15:03 No.11034676
i only learned like 5 hiragana and then stopped because i realized im not dedicated enough to do anything like learn a new language and my only friend that i could potentially talk to in japanese has stopped talking to me and i'm too scared to make any new friends and even if i did and they spoke/wrote/read japanese they would probably make fun of my poor japanese

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Anonymous 2013-06-13 16:20:00 No.11034690

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>>11034676
You know, there's this thing called the internet....

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Anonymous 2013-06-13 16:22:40 No.11034695
>>11034690
what can it do for me anon

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Anonymous 2013-06-13 16:29:47 No.11034709

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>>11034695
Meet people who want to talk/write in Japanese

http://www.mylanguageexchange.com/pen-pals/Country/Japan.asp
http://japanese.about.com/od/penpals/Pen_Pals.htm

There are also plenty websites to make learning more interesting, and you can take it as slow as you want. Just because a bunch of people on here/irl would make fun of you for taking months to learn hiragana doesn't mean you should stop. If you really want to, you should keep trying.

Also, on a side note, your friends are idiots if they are going to make fun of you for having poor Japanese. If you're self taught, I wouldn't expect it to be perfect

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Anonymous 2013-06-13 16:36:45 No.11034727
>>11034709
okay, I might take it back up, I'll book mark those sites and take a look at them when I'm further along.. I might even make a friend from it, who knows

Thanks, anon

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Anonymous 2013-06-13 23:17:51 No.11035745
>>11034650
Romaji is bad. If it's in a book you're using, try to avoid the romaji.

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Anonymous 2013-06-13 23:52:55 No.11035895
What is your favorite kanji?
Mine is ?

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Anonymous 2013-06-14 00:15:32 No.11036013
>>11035895
?

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Anonymous 2013-06-14 00:19:04 No.11036030
>>11035895
Me in the middle.

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Anonymous 2013-06-14 00:44:31 No.11036138
>>11035895
?

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Anonymous 2013-06-14 01:38:00 No.11036330
>>11035745
Will do. Is the romaji really just used for typing, and people that can't read the kana?







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