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Anonymous 2016-04-15 14:25:26 No.29615660

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Is anyone able to recommend a good DMR chambered in 7.62 NATO?


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Anonymous 2016-04-15 14:27:21 No.29615674
>>29615660
Whats your budget, with glass?

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 14:33:14 No.29615719
>>29615660
S&W M&P 10 with SWFA SS 3-15x42 optic.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 14:45:27 No.29615837
>>29615674
Let's just say hypothetical if you could what would you get

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 14:49:54 No.29615876
>>29615837
Whatever I wanted?
Mk20 with an S&B 3-20x50 US, sphur/GDI mount, Atlas bipod, silencerco radius LRF, Dead Air suppressor.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 14:53:30 No.29615905
>>29615876
How much would that run do you think?

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 14:57:03 No.29615932
>>29615876
I don't think he has a budget of $15,000.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 14:57:40 No.29615935
>>29615905
Mk20 isnt out yet. Lets just call it a SCAR for now.

SCAR 17s - $3000
S&B scope - $4600
Mount - $350
Bipod - $250
LRF - $1000
Can - $1000

So 10 grand ish

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 14:59:23 No.29615956
>>29615935
The Mk20 will be a few thousand more than the SCAR 17S. Perhaps even twice as much.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 15:01:08 No.29615964
>>29615956
Projections run from $4000-8000
Ill be first in line.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 15:01:08 No.29615965
>>29615932
I asked the question I'm curious, I want to crunch some numbers

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 17:01:43 No.29616958
>>29615660
HK 417

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 17:16:53 No.29617127
What would you say is more inportant, a better rifle or a better optic?

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 17:33:26 No.29617290
>>29615660
Look at the DPMS REPR or G2 SASS. Both work pretty damn well. Plus with higher pressure 308 loads you can increase your range. 2k for a rifle and 1000-1500 for AWESOME Vortex Viper PST+ Glass= 1000 Yard range with ease for under 4000.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:35:14 No.29618311
>>29617290
Vortex Viper is over priced compared to SWFA SS and Nightforce SHV optics both in the same price range.

If your looking to increase the range on a .308, using higher BC bullets like sierra 175g TMK is the way to go, not put potentially unsafe amounts of powder in a load.

DPMS uses inferior receiver geometry. the KAC standard is the way to go. Larue, DD, Mega, Armalite etc. uses it.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:39:50 No.29618355
>>29618311
>Vortex Viper is over priced
You're not factoring in the no bullshit no terms transferrable lifetime any-reason-whatsoever warranty you get for free.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:43:14 No.29618394
>>29615660
My understanding is that KAC's SR-25 pretty much is the standard for 7.62 DRM rifles. So I'd go with that.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:45:11 No.29618421
>>29618355
Actually I am. And I live like 15 minutes from vortex HQ.

the SWFA SS scopes have a similar warranty
Nightforce, isnt as friendly, but its still good.

Even better though, the SS and Nightforce optics are much better built, with better glass and turrets.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:46:12 No.29618427
>>29618394
Was
They are losing new contracts to FN and HK

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:48:24 No.29618451
>>29615660
do what the US is doing and get a 417

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:48:31 No.29618453
I love my LMT MWS.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:52:51 No.29618486
>>29615964
Is this rifle the reason FNH hasn't been regularly shipping SCAR rifles? I've tried for months to get a SCAR 17 from our distributors and they just tell me FNH is backlogged, FNH says the same thing.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:55:43 No.29618511
>>29618453

My nigga, post pics.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:56:45 No.29618517
>>29618511
She's a fat-bottomed girl, but she gets the job done.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:56:45 No.29618518
>>29618486
There have been other countries getting contracts for the SCAR. Thats possibly why its taking so long.

Perhpas the Mk20/CSR20 inventory build up.

Only place I know of that has the SCAR is the FN Pro Shop. $2650 iirc. Black only.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:58:07 No.29618537
>>29618518
I'm looking for Fifty Shades of Brown, I can get BLACKED at regular prices, I'm unsure if FNH has changed the production ratio of FDE:black or they're just allocating resources elsewhere.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:59:27 No.29618553
>>29618537
I too am a fan of the brown rainbow.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 19:59:30 No.29618555
>>29618517

Love mine, the Nightforce does it justice and easily puts out sub moa groups.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:00:45 No.29618568
>>29618555
Nightforce is love
Need an ATACR next

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:01:54 No.29618578
>>29618355
There premium FFP 6x24x50 can run upwords of $900 + tax(another 90-120 bucks depending on tax) and it is a good scope. If you want something much more expensive go waste your money on a MARCHX scope you will never really use....

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:02:40 No.29618587
>>29618568

This is my other scope.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:05:13 No.29618615
>>29618587
If I ever build up my creedmoor barrel into a rifle ive got laying around, a SB 3-20x50 in RAL 8000 will be mine.

That 5-25x is a known show stopper for sure though.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:08:03 No.29618635
>>29618553
I have a black 16 and 17, now I'm in the process of getting an FDE 16 and 17. I just don't feel like paying market prices when I can get it at cost, when they fucking get them in stock.

>>29618568
The ATACR is going to be my next purchase. My 17 has the 2.5-10x 42mm on it and I absolutely love it.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:08:40 No.29618643
>>29618578
If your trying to save money on a scope right now you can get SWFA SS 3-15x42 for $500(SFP) or $560(FFP).

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:09:21 No.29618653
>>29618643
>If your trying to save money on a scope right now you can get SWFA SS 3-15x42 for $500(SFP) or $560(FFP).
Yeah, they're doing some sale and on the 18th I believe they offer an additional 8% off, as well as 8% off anything in the store.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:14:35 No.29618694
>>29618635
You have a shooting site trigger on either?
When I get my next 17 I want to compare it to the SS I have in my current one.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:17:31 No.29618720
Fulton M14 with scope.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:17:36 No.29618721
>>29618694
No, only the SS and only on the 17.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:20:17 No.29618751
>>29618721
Fair enough.
The SS is great, but ive heard a lot of great things about the shooting site trigger.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:24:09 No.29618790
>>29615660
If I had the cash I'd basically this
>tfw poor

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:25:07 No.29618796
>>29618694
How far do you take that out to? I'm debating between the 4-16x or 5-25x ATACR and I don't have a great deal of experience with higher magnification optics.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:25:12 No.29618799
>>29618790

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:25:39 No.29618804
If you have the budget for a GAP-1op and you aren't buying a GAP-10, what the fuck is wrong with you?

There is no better rifle for this role than the GAP, and it's not even the most expensive, by far.

GA Precision is the only company to guarantee 1 MOA too, as far as I know. LMT does not. KAC does not. FN does not. S&W does not. HK does not. DPMS does not. DD does not. Mega does not. Armalite does not. Fulton does not.
I THINK that Adams Arms and Larue might have hidden, conditional guarantees somewhere, but GA Precision blatantly states the guarantee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoH0IytAFXw

tl;dr The SINGULAR reason not to get a GAP-10 is the wait. You are demonstrably, categorically dumb if you buy elsewhere.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:26:45 No.29618815
>>29618790
>cheap bipod
>Cheap bipod that close to the mag
>that cheap light
>drop leg holster mind as well be on his knee

Department issued some odd shit

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:27:41 No.29618822
>>29618643
I have a 2x10x32 Vortex FFP MRAD on my 5.56 DMR. Shooting 77gr's at 2800(at 400ft elevation) out of a 18" with an effective range of 750m.

I buy once and customize the shit out of the package.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:29:24 No.29618839
>>29618822
Thats a great scope, I have one myself.
Id argue that mk262 out of an 18" bbl has an effective range of ~275 yards. Because the fragmentation range is ~275 yards.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:30:43 No.29618849
>>29618822
That Vortex is an amazing option. I was skeptical about Vortex about reading where the product was manufactured and some of the problems Vortex optics have, but it was on sale for $700 so I decided to take the plunge. It's currently sitting on top of my Colt 901 and I couldn't imagine a better fit for that rifle. The scope is light, it's robust, the zero set feature is awesome, the illumination is on the weak side but at that price I don't care, I ended up doing the box test twice to ensure it tracked correctly and it was perfect. I can't say enough good things about that PST scope.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:32:16 No.29618864
>>29618815
>harris is cheap
>a flashlight has to be more than $100
>a drop leg holster doing what it's supposed to
Madness!

What did your face look like when you realized you were dumb?

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:34:14 No.29618881
>>29618839
275 is the range of standard XM193 round. 262's are good for anti-personal ops out to 600. Paper targets to 750. I use a CBC mk262 mod 1 clone and its accurate to 3/8 MOA at 200 yards. I get about 7 inch groups at 650 yards prone.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:34:57 No.29618887
>>29618864
Harris is cheap
That light isnt very robust
Drop leg holsters are pants on head retarded

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:37:43 No.29618909
>>29618887
>uneducated opinions: the post

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:37:45 No.29618911
>>29618881
http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ballistic_Gel_Experiments/BTAmmoLabsTest6/Test6.htm

Thats where I based my range on (after looking closer with an 18" you might get reliable fragmentation out further). Is there something I missed?

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 20:41:47 No.29618945
>>29618909
Youve clearly never used an Atlas bipod
Youve clearly never been around rifles with lights on them outside of the range or your house.
Youve clearly never tried to run with a drop leg holster on.

Please go on about how poor and inexperienced you are.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:04:51 No.29619188
>>29618945
Please post a picture of your Atlas-equipped $300 Surefire-laden rifle and dynamically formed high speed low drag holster.

I'll wait.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:06:43 No.29619209
>>29619188
Surefire lights can be had for a lot less than $300, not just their budget models.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:23:24 No.29619389
>>29618815
>>29618887
>>29618945
>>29619209
Still waiting.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:26:22 No.29619434
>>29615660
I am in the process of buying a MR762 and a Elcan optic to go on it, it isnt the best but the guns seem to shoot .75 MOA so I like them.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:27:43 No.29619451
>>29619389
Oh, your serious
>>29618553
is mine

I dont use bipods.
Throw it over my kifaru if I need stable long shot while prone.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:28:48 No.29619472
>>29619451
That can't be yours, because it's mine.

I'm waiting for you to post yours.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:29:04 No.29619476
>>29619434
>elcan
which model?

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:30:15 No.29619488
>>29618911
It might help to use real world data instead of lab data.... Per my own ballistic testing I get an average of 2820 ES 23 from my own tests. zero'ed at 100y I drop 88inches at 600 m with 421/ft-pds left. Flight time is around .85-.87 seconds. 750y gives me 299 inch drop and 281/ftpd and 1.23 sec flight time but it is still supersonic and 281/ft-pds will still penetrate a person. you have more issues with wind (2mph at 90 degrees = 20 inch offset at 800 yards)

For intermediate cartridges I use the 1 1/2 second rule if the BC is below .375 in combination with muzzle velocity.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:31:01 No.29619496
>>29619472
lol, that gun is in my closet right now

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:32:12 No.29619510
>>29619472
>>29619451

rekt

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:32:46 No.29619516
>>29619476
http://www.eurooptic.com/elcan-specterdr-dfov156-c2.aspx

I dont plan on precision shooting, just torso sized steel at 6-800m. I also hate at how the bigger scopes look on DMR rifles.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:33:58 No.29619529
>>29619488
Granted, thats why I asked.

I still reference fragmentation velocity.
While it may still be a supersonic, im leery of its terminal ballistics below that velocity

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:35:00 No.29619541
>>29619516
a 1/4x optic on a .308
For $3k
hrmm

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:35:55 No.29619550
>>29619496
I'm flattered that you've saved my photos, but you're being a pretty colossal prick right now.

Post a picture of YOUR gun, with an Atlas bipod and an expensive light to show that you know what you're expressing your opinion over, rather than being a noguns idiot posting tripe anonymously on the internet.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:39:03 No.29619577
An used PSG-1.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:40:53 No.29619595
>>29619550
Im flattered that you think my rifle is yours.

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Austrian 2016-04-15 21:41:19 No.29619602
>>29619496
>they use the same mold for the fullauto version as well
>you can see the circle for the select fire marking

nice

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:44:15 No.29619622
>>29619602
Ayup

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:47:11 No.29619655
>>29618804
armalite used to have moa guarantees until the companies changed hands last year and updated the website, the match rifles were 1 moa, carbines 1.5 moa and rifle length sass's were .75 moa, whatever you end up with read the armalite tech notes its a good resource.

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Austrian 2016-04-15 21:47:35 No.29619659
>>29619622
>Magpul
is that aftermarket ?

excuse my lacking knowledge,
we don't get Scars over here

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:47:46 No.29619660
>>29619602
>they use the same mold

Except they don't. Full auto SCAR trigger modules have a ridge that mates to their respective receiver and prevents them from being installed on a semi-automatic SCAR.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:48:47 No.29619669
>>29619659
Yup aftermarket, its like $20
Some people liked them so much Noveske makes and AR selector that uses the magpul SCAR selectors.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:51:00 No.29619689
>>29619660
can't see shit there friend

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:51:52 No.29619695
>>29619529
At the ranges I choose to engage targets its all about either the "T" (read head/nose/eyes shot) for 200 yards (Urban sniping) and upper torso past that. With 600m for a human head that is still feasible with out wind. again 421/ft-pds is going to fuck someones skull over pretty bad. And 2 77gr's at that range in the torso is going to fuck your day up either way.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:52:26 No.29619701
>>29619541
You've obviously never used an elcan

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:55:19 No.29619731
>>29619689

You should probably see an eye doctor.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:57:06 No.29619749
>>29619701
I have
External adjustments arent ideal
They use arms mounts, which are shit

The glass is nice. Not $3k nice.
I mean $3k gets you a SB short dot

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 21:59:53 No.29619778
>>29619701
I wouldn't recommend anyone drop the 4k on the DS, but the OS is my favorite fixed-power optic.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 22:00:00 No.29619781
>>29619701
>You've obviously never used an elcan

Not even that poster, but I've owned two SU-230's... They're shit.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 22:04:35 No.29619833
>>29619778
None of this made sense, I apologize I've been drinking since noon.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 22:16:16 No.29619957
>>29619781
Why?

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 22:19:03 No.29619987
>>29615935
>gun scopes cost $5k
>telescopic technology is practically ancient and kids can buy high power telescopes that can see distant planets for like $50

Why do you idiots fall for this shit?

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 22:21:34 No.29620008
>>29619595
>no light
>no atlas
>no holsder
lol why are you stirring up shit for no reason
get the fuck out you dont know anything about anything in this thread
and stop posting someone elses gun what an asshole god damn

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 22:21:48 No.29620012
>>29619701
Elcan glasses are ok, mounts are cancer, fuck you for recomending them.

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 22:22:14 No.29620017
>>29619987
I see you don't like optical clarity, ruggedness, true adjustments, or good reticles

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 22:23:16 No.29620029
>>29620008
I've been found out!

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Anonymous 2016-04-15 22:24:11 No.29620041
>>29619957

Everything >>29619749 said combined with the fact that bumping the magnification lever can shift your zero so far off target to the point of being criminally negligent.

>youtu.be/6cbZiPPnUmE
>youtu.be/7TWYMT4Jerw

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Anonymous 2016-04-16 01:14:25 No.29621838
>>29620041
>trusting a Canadian

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Anonymous 2016-04-16 02:08:02 No.29622418
>>29618849
Box test?

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Skeletor 2016-04-16 02:11:22 No.29622444
>>29621838
external adjustments are never the answer.

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Anonymous 2016-04-16 03:28:16 No.29623168
>>29618453
+1 on LMT

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Anonymous 2016-04-16 03:28:56 No.29623176
>>29618815
>>29618887
>>29618945
>>29619389
Still waiting for you to post your Atlas, expensive flashlight and holster.

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Anonymous 2016-04-16 03:31:02 No.29623190
7.62x39 or 7.62x51?

If x39, then a tactical AK.
If x51, then a HK G3 or a M14/M1A obvi.

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Reaper 2016-04-16 03:34:15 No.29623222
>>29618751
I have a straight blade shooting site on mine, I like it more than the Super SCAR trigger I have used.

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Anonymous 2016-04-16 03:36:36 No.29623250
>>29623222
Thats what I hear

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Reaper 2016-04-16 03:38:17 No.29623273
>>29623250
Also some people don't like adjustable triggers on their battle rifles, I have had no issues so far.

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Anonymous 2016-04-16 03:40:37 No.29623303
>>29623273
Shooting site does, or has, made a non adjustable version. No complaints about the adjustment though. Some prefer it set

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Reaper 2016-04-16 03:41:49 No.29623314
>>29623303
They made some under a contract for testing with the Mk20 for the military but not for general sale as far as I know.

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Anonymous 2016-04-16 03:45:50 No.29623360
>>29623314
There was a think on the fnf that said he had a few for sale, but wasn't going to put them up on his website.

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Reaper 2016-04-16 03:49:11 No.29623392
>>29623360
Neat, I have one of the only straight triggers he made. Plus at 200 bucks (.mil discount) you would be crazy to buy the super SCAR it. Although they were free for a bit with the SCARs as a rebate.







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