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Anonymous 2015-10-24 18:45:30 No.27680357

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Alright America, the world is fed up with your shit and has united to declare war on you. Canada and Mexico are your only friends.
Nukes do not work anymore for some reason.

ITT we are world generals and come up with a plan for beating the world superduperpower, that might actually work. I've heard enough of burgers claiming invincibility all over the place. If the rest of the world allocated more resources to their militaries, the US would obviously lose dominance.

>hardmode; no peacetime embargoes

IMO there will be 3 main objectives:
1. Figuring out how to counter US naval dominance, by producing a blue water navy while being bombed to shit. Where do we build it and how do we protect it? What do we protect it with? Who designs it?
2. Establishing air superiority by developing capable detection systems, stealth fighters and interceptors first, and then later on decent bombers. Which countries have the knowledge to produce such equipment?
3. Figuring out how to actually invade this island fortress, with hundreds of millions of gun nuts that love the thought of guerilla warfaring for Murica. Where do we land and why is it Mexico? Do we repress Russian style when we're there or is it actually possible to convince the burgers nuot to guerilla warfare us?


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Anonymous 2015-10-24 18:48:42 No.27680391
>>27680357
The lower 48 is uninvadable. Jane's did a whole analysis of how the rest of the world simply doesn't have the logistical capabilities or projection power needed to launch a credible invasion.

/thread

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 18:48:55 No.27680392
>>27680357
Eurocuck detected

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 18:49:14 No.27680396
You lose and America enjoys another 100 years of superiority /thread

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 18:54:15 No.27680445
>>27680391
Source? I can't find it on google and this sounds interesting.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 18:56:18 No.27680466
>>27680391
In this scenario it could be done up through south america forcing ones way through mexico.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 18:57:14 No.27680481
First order of business, take care of the supercarriers. Each significant airpower should focus their entire air force on a carrier.

China and Russia might be able to handle 2--3 each by just zerg rushing them with Tu-160/Tu-22 variants armed with Kh-35, although they would probably take heavy casualties.
EU could probably handle the rest

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 18:58:16 No.27680492
>>27680466
They'd get bottled up in central America though

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:01:36 No.27680525
>>27680391
The rest of the world could build up said projection power and logistical power by allocating resources to it. The only reason projection power is absent from the world is because the US is the only nation interested in invading other countries, with the exception of Russia but they're broke.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:02:02 No.27680529
>>27680357
Literally no way to win,
>navy
literally no way to construct one and the US navy could easily destroy an armada of the world's navy, mainly because the US provides protection with theirs making a navy redundant for most countries that are in danger of invasion.

>air force
This is where it might be possible to not get completely wrecked as long as they're used for defense ONLY. France and the UK has a very strong aerospace industry If the US manages to destroy their AA when they leave (which would inevitably happen unless it literally happens overnight) it'll pretty much be game over in terms of free reign for the US to bomb the shit out of everything and anything.

>land invasion of the US or North America
NEVER EVER

Repeat this until it rings in your skull while you sleep. This war must be one of attrition but the US is far more capable of outlasting.

This is coming from a frog, there is no way to win against Americans in a conventional war.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:03:25 No.27680544
>>27680357
>1. Figuring out how to counter US naval dominance, by producing a blue water navy while being bombed to shit.
Ok
>Where do we build it and how do we protect it?
Doesn't matter, nowhere and nothing is safe from the US
>What do we protect it with?
Same as above
>Who designs it?
Same as above

>2. Establishing air superiority by developing capable detection systems, stealth fighters and interceptors first, and then later on decent bombers. Which countries have the knowledge to produce such equipment?
Only the US can so this won't work

>3. Figuring out how to actually invade this island fortress, with hundreds of millions of gun nuts that love the thought of guerilla warfaring for Murica. Where do we land and why is it Mexico?
If you land in Mexico you would have to make it through the US's most heavily guarded border all while getting bombed to shit, it won't work
>Do we repress Russian style when we're there or is it actually possible to convince the burgers nuot to guerilla warfare us?
You can try to go Russian style but you'll need at least 500 million well trained soldiers, something you can only really get in Europe and they'll be way too pussified to carry out mass executions of civilians. You can try to use third worlders or Russians and Chinese but you'll need closer to 2 billion of them to even have a chance. The only way US citizens would not guerilla warfare you is if they are conventionally warfaring you, which is far worse for you.

Conclusion
It won't work US will win and take control of the entire world, even more than they do now.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:06:31 No.27680574
>>27680357
Just combine China's industrial capacity and Russia's natural wealth, as well as europe's technologies, and consider at least the 3rd and 7th fleet sunk in the Pacific. DF-21s and DF-26s supported by a Sino-Russo-European killchain, as well as Russian long range bombers to finish off stragglers would take care of the whole USN presence in the West Pacific.

With them taken out, the US needs to rush their other assets to combat China, which will spread their forces thin, allowing Russia and Iran to murderize US protectorates like Israel and Saudi Arabia, and bombard US bases, which will also divert US attention there.

In the end, the US blue-water navy will be easily destroyed when they are rushing from one place to another around the world.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:08:09 No.27680586
>>27680529
Explain to me why a global navy wouldn't have protection as well?
The point of the navy would be to establish naval supremacy, and unless the US is assisted by ayys then I don't see the impossibility of it.

We'd be 7 to 1 m8, and designs could be transferred from country to country. No way the USAF could bomb everywhere all the time.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:10:01 No.27680600
delusional amerifats thinking that 350 million people whichs big percentage is too old/young, retarded, disabled would be able to stand against the whole world. lol

even china could fuck you up, we doesnt need the whole world for it

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:10:21 No.27680601
>>27680544
all claims with zero factual backing.
Good job

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:12:09 No.27680609
>>27680574
Exactly, they'll be stretched out too thin to actually suppress the ENTIRE PLANET

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:13:35 No.27680622
>>27680586
The dry docks needed to create normal carriers much less supercarriers would be sitting ducks, unless you think going full snackbar with thousands of corvettes is a good idea.

I already said any war that would be fought would be one of attrition, any side that attacks would be pretty much demolished and there is very little reason to waste resources on the navy when projection is pointless.

>>27680601
We're talking about a red vs blue tier imaginary war, where do you think we are?

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:13:41 No.27680623
>>27680574
With the US blue-water navy taken out or contained in the US near waters, and all US bases around the world razed, the US will be isolated from their trade and supply routes.
After the destruction of the US 3rd and 7th fleet, the US already lost six of her twelve carriers. So the other six are left to protect both the Atlantic and the Pacific, making the US overall weaker.
From captured US bases in the Pacific, Russian and Chinese anti-ship bombers can run attacks against the US home-fleets at standoff-distance.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:14:34 No.27680627
>>27680529
So there are more resources in North America than in the rest of the world combined? Yeah nah

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:17:15 No.27680652
>>27680600
are you that Indian/paki who keeps shitposting on /k/

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:17:39 No.27680656
>>27680622
Claiming that "nothing is safe from the US" without backing it up is useless for a conclusion. How is it not safe? Which aircraft would do the wastelaying and from where?

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:17:49 No.27680658
>>27680623
>>27680609

This in turn, diverts US attention to the Pacific, diverting most of their carriers to defend against the Chinese and Russian pacific onslaught. A combined European fleet would have easier time in breaking the defenses of the US atlantic fleet. Best thing about that would be that Russia's main fleets would still be free to jon the attack, since their committment in the Pacific only consists of supporting China's main-forces with their bombers and natural resources. China alone could basically handle the US pacific presence consisting of two or three USN fleets.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:17:52 No.27680659
>>27680609
>>27680586
In this scenario, America isn't the aggressor, they don't have to deal with the ENTIRE planet, they aren't trying to conquer it, they're just defending (at least at first).

That said, the US could just rush and destroy the world's industry before they get a good chance to use it. They definitely have the force to do it.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:17:57 No.27680660
>>27680623
So the US will just sit there and cry tears of ineffective rage as they do nothing?
>you sunk my battle ship!
Oh well, I guess since it's your turn I can't do jack about it
>>27680627
Most of the world is 3rd world tier in terms of logistics, it doesn't matter how many fields of oil you have if they are in the middle of fucking nowhere and otherwise inaccessible.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:18:45 No.27680667
>>27680466
You're not good at geography.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:19:05 No.27680670
>>27680622
How will the US outlast the rest of the planet?

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:19:46 No.27680676
>>27680525
So by your retarded fucking logic, the entire world builds up military capabilities while the US sits around doing nothing.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:20:54 No.27680684
>>27680656
> cruise missiles don't exist
- You

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:21:55 No.27680689
>>27680670
see
>>27680676

How fucking stupid can you possibly be?

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:22:23 No.27680694
>>27680660
Two US fleets (3rd and 7th) are currently deployed near China's waters in Japan or in Guam and Hawaii. Chinese ASBMs could destroy the majority of them while they are still in port in a surprise attack, while the rest would have to be fought down. But with China having taken out the majority of the fleet presence there, and with Russian naval bomber support, it becomes far easier to fight them as well. But true, the naval war in the Pacific will be a hard fight for both China and the US. But this would be part of the plan, as the US would send more forces to the Pacific from elsewhere, giving the Russians and Europeans the chance to make their move as well.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:23:11 No.27680698
>>27680574
The issue with that is that in this scenario the world begins working together as soon as war is declared, this effectively means that all kill chains, all technology transfers, all intel, all everything will be under attack the second our scenario begins, if we were discussing some hypothetical super-alliance vs. the U.S. it would be a different story but we're not this a strategic scenario plain and simple. It begins in the present and ends in the future, it does not begin in the future. So with that in mind assuming the U.S. is allowed to be the aggressor it would win, because just as you could use your various locations to attack the U.S. assets the U.S. can use its assets to attack your various locations. Do you see how this works. Russia's natural wealth, Europe's tech industry, the very Sino-Russian-European killchain which you mentioned would be under attack as soon as war is declared assuming there are no politics involved and this war is a zero sum game. Even if the various players were given time consolidate they would be doing it while on the backs of their heels.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:23:30 No.27680702
>>27680676
Not my claim buddy. Are you claiming that the US could handle suppressing this buildup? We're talking 6.6 billion people m8, all with plans for producing British/French/Russian AA missiles and aircraft

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:24:35 No.27680711
>>27680694
You're a moron. You give literally all of the advantages and ability to do anything to the other side because you're incapable of basic, even semi-reasonable thought patterns.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:24:45 No.27680712
>>27680684
>Anti cruise missile tech doesn't exist
- you

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:26:20 No.27680733
>>27680702
That doesn't mean a god damn fucking thing for getting across two giant oceans.

Meanwhile, you sit around still implying that the US isn't allowed to build anything more or recall forces from anywhere.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:27:33 No.27680738
>>27680698
While it's true that guy disregards US actions almost entirely, you are assuming the opposite which is that the world is unable to defend itself, which is an entirely unjustified claim

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:28:54 No.27680749
>>27680694
This is scenario assumes spontaneous global cooperation and that the Chinese weapons are magically radar invisible. It also assumes that the forces preparing for this massive battle wouldn't be detected, in fact this scenario is entirely reliant on complete incompetence on the part of the U.S. .

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:29:10 No.27680752
>>27680698
A Russo-Chinese alliance would be sufficient. And this alliance actually does not need anything but sharing some data and deplying a few bomber wings to Chinese air-bases and putting them under Chinese command: Russian spy-satellites covering the gaps of the Chinese spy-satellites, with Russian officers telling their Chinese allies where the US carriers are at the moment - with their mouths, if necessary.

This is enough for China to use their ASBMs to target the US-carriers in a Pearl Harbor like attack.

The Super-Alliance is completely uneccessary, as every nation would act on their own, taking advantage of the situation unfolding after the US has lost a big portion of their navy in the Pacific.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:29:14 No.27680753
>>27680481
>Tu-22 variants armed with Kh-35
An anon did the math on if every Tu-22 ever made was magically in optimal firing range with Kh-35's that like 2 Arliegh Burke with a not even entirely SAM armament could intercept and stop all incoming with 33% P/K rate and expending 3 for every incoming ASM and actually have missiles left over.

>>27680574
Yeah good luck with that. The problem with "entire world cooperation" is assuming the other countries wouldn't try to fuck each other over behind the scenes. You literally cannot dedicate your entire air force/sea forces to one area and not expect to get buddy fucked from the side.

>>27680694
What is a Kill Chain and how does it work. Your "surprise attack" doesn't work when the logistics, transportation of materials and radio comm's give it away literally weeks in advance.

>>27680702
Considering we currently work with and know where most of the plants, developement properties and HVT's reside, yes. Their locations would get cruise missiles, JDAM's, or likewise damn near on onset of war. 6.6 Billion people doesn't mean jack all when the entire leadership, production/research/development facilities and major transportation capabilities are destroyed.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:29:38 No.27680757
>>27680357
>Alright America, the world is fed up with your shit and has united to declare war on you. Canada and Mexico are your only friends.
>Nukes do not work anymore for some reason.

FUCKIN BRING IT ON. I'VE SPENT 20 YEARS STUDYING YOU, YOUR WEAPONS AND YOUR HISTORY. BRING IT THE FUCK ON.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:30:20 No.27680764
>>27680712
There's no such thing as an air defense system that can outlast a properly scaled cruise missile onslaught.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:31:52 No.27680776
>>27680749
He's just a "muh scenario stands" autist.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:31:53 No.27680777
>>27680733
So defending the effort to produce the capability to get across two giant oceans, doesn't mean a damn thing for getting across two giant oceans?

Of course the US would build up, but they're not exactly holding back presently are they? Sure they could spit out some more F-22s and B-2s but how much of a difference will it make?

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afatoldman 2015-10-24 19:32:41 No.27680781
As soon as an American carrier is sunk, the sinker will get a nuke up their ass.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:34:01 No.27680786
>>27680777
You very directly implied that fighters and other assets with the inherent inability to cross oceans with a useful combat load somehow matter. They don't. Period. End of story.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:34:49 No.27680794
>>27680764
So those things mounted on ships and carriers are made of magic?

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:34:59 No.27680795
Damage rates have exceeded production times; a reprise of ww2 "grinding things down" is right out. And the US can simply crush a port every time a ship is halfway built.

You fight with what you've got, or what you can build in a few months.

Europe all put together barely has the gear to fight one war, and can't project force for shit. China and Russia have no navies.

There's only one way this ends: US forces blitz R&D facilities and C&C links across the world to set them back a couple months until the US can get one of it's secret-projects into mass production. I'm thinking bioweapons delivered by cruise missile.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:35:02 No.27680796
>>27680357
Can't be done without a massive nuclear attack on the US.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:36:03 No.27680805
>>27680794
What? No. Learn to read Tyrone, you dumbass nigger.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:37:05 No.27680820
>>27680777
>Of course the US would build up, but they're not exactly holding back presently are they?
What? Everythings done by specialized industries and plants right now. During WWII the National Post Meter and a fucking Juke box company (Rockola) were making weapons. You don't get much more nationalistic pride that the entire fucking world declaring war on you.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:37:11 No.27680822
>>27680786
Yes, I did. Because they will be able to defend the build up of infrastructure and arms.

Big picture, buddy

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:37:15 No.27680824
>>27680738
I am not, I'm actually trying to give the U.S. some agency, as opposed to his claim in which it has none and is practically just a line of toy soldiers. In my proposal the U.S. acts like an actual adversary would, actively trying to sabotage and destroy enemy industry and military installations while they are trying to consolidate. Again this is assuming the U.S. has an aggressive posture and that the U.S. knows who its enemies are. I never said that they couldn't consolidate, only that they would be doing it under fire and in the course of war, any attempts to create a kind of organizational structure would be hampered by the opposing force.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:37:40 No.27680829
>>27680357
This plan is actually quite simple and the US hegemony is easily brought down. How?
Simple: All major US allies simply say that they want to have the Americans GTFO from their soil.

US resists? Well, I wish the US fun in trying to invade and regime change ALL rebelling countries at the same time.

When the US alliance system is dismantled, the US is hardly a superpower anymore. And when the USD is abolished as the global trade currency, US debts and inflation will effectively kill the US economy, since QE'ing their way out of every economic problem wont be a solution anymore, if the rest of the world stops upholding the value of the USD by buying large amounts of US debts.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:38:27 No.27680839
>>27680822
You don't understand you dense fuck. Fighters literally cannot fly across oceans with combat loads.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:39:51 No.27680853
>>27680829
You didn't even read the post you fuckwad. This is about an invasion of the US, in which case all forces will have been pulled back to defend.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:40:04 No.27680854
only way is to build several rods from god attack satellites and hit strategic targets for decapitation strike

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:42:02 No.27680875
>>27680839
Can you not read. Fighters and AA will be for DEFENSIVE PURPOSES, ie defending the fucking factories and bases for fucks sake.

I at no point claimed the fighters, AA and interceptors were supposed to carry fucking payloads to the US.

Jesus fucking christ

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:44:16 No.27680889
>>27680805
So a cruise missile onslaught could severely fuck with the US as well. What's your point?

TBH I did misread outlast

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:46:52 No.27680904
>>27680357
>unleashed American fire superiority to proceed to annex and colonize the fuck out of the rest of the world (and purge shitskins as "terrorist infiltrators")
Looks like they just activated our trap card.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:50:51 No.27680940
I think people underestimate the capability of full on nationalized US military production. It's several times bigger than that of WW2. The US may be able to pump out more ships than can be sunk.

Not to say it has a bigger production capacity than the rest of the world, but if the US is fighting for sovereignty and the rest of the world cannot then a long term war of attrition cannot work. The invasion needs to be put together as fast as humanly possible-- before the US production starts spamming out hundreds of thousands of ASMs/SAMs and placing them up and down the coasts. The USN could be defeated, but if given enough time it could be rebuilt-- problem is that if this is a defensive war the US does not need to rebuild it.

Can the US be invaded? I just think this question is nearly impossible to find a solution to. How the hell are you getting the tens of millions of troops into NA without half of your ships being sunk en route?

South America is more viable than coming down through Alaska or Canada. Good luck fighting well dug in troops at the Panama Canal-- which is only 50 miles across.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:52:09 No.27680953
>>27680752
It would be not sufficient, but that's not the only thing. Assuming that the other nations are merely taking advantage of the scenario unfolding who would it be to do so; the British, the French, the German? Whoever it is their actions are entirely dependent on knowledge of the Chinese and Russians efforts also, this idea also sinks your whole European technology transfer assertion. As they are know acting independently.

Furthermore, again I would like to point out the issue with using the element of surprise in your argument. In a U.S. against the world scenario a surprise attack could just as easily be used by the Americans giving them a massive advantage through the use of preexisting bases and functioning stealth aircraft. Also if nukes don't work Russia and China would have no reason not to target American Satellites and vice versa. Regardless of whether this happens or not neither side can start shooting down satellites until the shooting's begun and this means that the U.S. has ample time to detect and expect Chinese and Russian actions, via all sorts of means of intelligence. More over you're way to confident in ASBMs not being able to be shot down, or the massive Sino-Russian air-wing not coming under attack. The U.S. would have to basically be trying to be attacked not to notice the massive amassing of Chinese and Russian forces. So the element of surprise is of the table.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:53:32 No.27680966
>>27680875
So then now you're claiming that they won't be invading despite the fact that is what this insufferable summerfaggotry thread is all about.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:57:09 No.27680993
Aren't you that autist that was trying to get ideas for a book yesterday? I remember the same "nukes don't work" shit.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 19:59:15 No.27681008
>>27680391
got a source? would love to read it

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:00:49 No.27681026
>>27680776
Yeah. I think the most important part to realize is that so called Zerg Rush tactics don't make sense when the average cost of modern high-technology is so mindbogglingly time consuming and expensive that sending out waves of tech designed to defeat the U.S. would destroy many lesser countries and cripple major ones.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:01:42 No.27681034
>>27680904

Fuck, man. If only.

Globalism is good only if we're the example to follow.

>>27680940
>Can the US be invaded? I just think this question is nearly impossible to find a solution to. How the hell are you getting the tens of millions of troops into NA without half of your ships being sunk en route?
That, and what the fuck are they going to do when they get here? There's too many /k/ommando-types or worse who would harass the shit out of them at every possible opportunity.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:03:33 No.27681050
>>27681034
The quote is misattributed, but "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:04:44 No.27681055
>>27680966
Are you trolling or just retarded?
Let me run it down as simply as I can.
-World does not possess ability to engage the US navy
-World needs to produce a navy capable of engaging the US navy
-World needs to defend itself from US while procuring said navy
-World will need AA and fighters to defend its facilities that are building the aforementioned navy

I cannot simplify this any further

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:05:45 No.27681066
>>27681050

This, right here. When I go about my every day activities and the general sentiment is "Fuck (insert country here) and the middle east", I don't think any invader has good odds at the beginning.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:07:43 No.27681077
>>27680445
>Janes
>Probably a 2500 page write-up.
That'll be $1500 please.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:10:58 No.27681108
>>27680357
DO IT FAGGOTS

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:10:58 No.27681109
>>27681055
Don't bother, I'm just reading this like "aircraft carriers and the F-35 are a thing, did you know that?" Seriously though, what kind of war is this, it there a time limit because U.S. vs. the world gets a lot harder the longer it goes on. I mean how much time can a single country put into bombing factories.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:13:24 No.27681138
>>27681109
Defensive war, with everyone else invading US+Mexico+Canada.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:15:18 No.27681162
>>27681109
The world wants the US to not be the US anymore.
So essentially a defensive war on the US part

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:17:48 No.27681188
>>27681109

>Modern technology
>Modern military
>Internet
>300 million people
>Second Amendment

IDK man, I fucking like our odds. Biggest challenge will be if Russia & China were to tag-team us, but if Canada is buddied up to us, our odds are fucking better.

>You will never see Leo's & Abrams engaged in action against T90's & W/E the Chinkfags use.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:21:48 No.27681235
>>27680702

6.6 billion people that need food and besides America the only country with the grain to spare is Canada and Russia. We could cut grain export and all the middle east would be a fucking wasteland of chaos next week just look at how much grain Egypt imports.

Basically imagine the refugee crisis on steroids and all of them streaming into Europe. Bam Europe is finished and enriched. China would collapse from lack of export to the states alone.

Lol the entire world would collapse just from America going "nah I aint selling you shit, enjoy your week".

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:25:54 No.27681286
>>27681138
>>27681162
>>27681188
Sure at first it seems easy but how long would it take 100 years into the future, imagine 100 years of the entire world hating America. We'd probably have fusion power by then and, I'd image we'd still be targeting enemy infrastructure in order to make the war unsustainable.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:28:58 No.27681310
>>27680357
Well seeing as you didn't touch the biological weapons, I'm pretty sure we'd smallpox Europe and Russia. I'm not sure of their vaccine production capabilities but due to medical research being worth more in the US (Capitalism ho!), I'm almost certain our medical capabilities will crush yours. After we disease the hell out of everyone else we could probably take our pick of another one to release or just go back to conventional.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:29:09 No.27681311
>>27681235
Except that it goes both ways and the US would suffer from this as well, and not just on a small scale. Same goes for Mexico or Canada, which in returns also weakens the US-

This whole thing is fucking retarded though. None of this will ever happen and scenarios are bullshit because everyone, including China, the US, Russia and Europe are aware of the important facts. Namely that they need each other in one way or another.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:31:10 No.27681328
>>27680357
>If the rest of the world allocated more resources to their militaries, the US would obviously lose dominance.
If.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:31:42 No.27681338
>>27681235
Cut natural gas to europe, cut oil to china, cut food to the ME and china.

That's apocalypse now, non-nuclear mode.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:33:16 No.27681349
>>27681235

This guy is on the right track.

The biggest bitch of a scenario like this for us is that Brazil is the world'ls leading producer of iron and very heavy on steel too. Their largest port exports something like 110 million tons of iron every year, whereas my beloved Duluth and Two Harbors, MN, only exports something like 20-25 million every year.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:36:33 No.27681379
Bring it, commie fucks!

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:38:47 No.27681401
>>27681311

The simply fact of the modern world is that people in other countries are worth more to us alive and occupation is expensive.

So why not just own a majority share in a foreign country and make them work the sweat factories? No occupation (horrible overhead cost) and you get to exploit people in ways that are illegal in the first world.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:39:04 No.27681406
The US navy is larger than the rest of the world combined. There is literally no way anyone could invade the USA.

You think we have 10 carriers? Do you know how many reserve carriers we have, ready to go within 6 months if need be?

Shit, we even have an Iowa class that's technically to fight on short notice.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:39:33 No.27681411
>no nukes lol

America awakens Skynet and programs it to hack god and turn the nukes back on.

Then it begins mass production of Orion-class orbital nuclear battleships armed with Casaba howitzers, antimatter-primed pure fusion weapons, and 6 megawatt fiber-laser phased arrays with quantum-entanglement enabled for unjammable, unhackable orbital communications.

With a multi-megawatt defense network operating at the speed of light established to provide 100% effective missile defense, President Trump orders the fallout-free world nuclear purge to begin.

Good job OP.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:40:00 No.27681414
>>27681401

*majority share in a foreign company

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:41:12 No.27681423
Suicide firebombing the Midwest with literally thousands of planes. Starve the fuckers out. Don't have to be super fast either, just fill the sky with old MiG-15s and props. They only have to go one way anyway.

What's that? Where do we find thousands willing to blow themselves up to hurt America? Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan. Shit, sprinkle in the Saudis and Palestinians in for good measure.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:42:10 No.27681431
>>27681423
There literally isn't thousands of planes available to do this that have the range to reach the american mid west.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:42:38 No.27681435
>>27681423

>He doesn't know there's air defense fucking everywhere

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:45:43 No.27681463
>>27681423
>Suicide firebombing the Midwest
Missouri here mfw

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:52:40 No.27681503
>>27681431
Then build a plane that's nothing but an engine, a cockpit and a fuckton of fuel. If the Shit can melt steel beams it can melt wheat.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:54:35 No.27681512
>>27681435
And if you get enough motherfuckers together and throw them at a bunch of MG34s you retake Red Square. Air defense has to reload and resupply, just keep throwing counts at em till they get through.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 20:57:15 No.27681536
>>27681503
So, you are going to give the usa 2-3 years to defend itself vs this attack?

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:05:07 No.27681600
>>27681512
>Air defense has to reload and resupply, just keep throwing counts at em till they get through.
Thats where active air defense comes in. IE Fighters/interceptors.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:12:51 No.27681663
>>27681512
American guerrilla-engineers supplied with CHAMP plans by the USAF build ultra-broadband-pulse and HPM weapons to bypass counter-EMP hardening and destroy guidance electronics through in-band and out-of-band coupling, and even jam piston engines.

Assembled from weather-radar stations, massive surplus-microwave phased arrays or simply 3d-printed in serial production, thousands of these lightspeed weapons are programmed with Arduino controllers to form an invulnerable electric wall along the aerial borders.

Get on our level, Eurofags.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:17:30 No.27681699
>>27680357
A raifu behind erry brade of glass.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:17:52 No.27681703
>>27680600
Nah

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:22:26 No.27681741
>>27681699
This is what I don't get, these fucking rednecks are always going off about this shit but most of them can barely run a mile without nearing literal death. How the fuck can they be expected to wage a successful guerilla campaign when they can't even meet basic physical demands?

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:25:31 No.27681761
>>27681741

They don't need to. They are guerillas. You think goat fuckers and rice farmer met any physical standards too?

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:29:26 No.27681788
>>27680357
>Canada and Mexico are your only friends.

This implausible scenario is already impossible

Its not that I believe americans are supermen who can kill 50 foreigners with dual 1911s, but the rest of the world just cant reach the mainland without being bitch slapped.

However if we must...

Half of the USA's oil comes overseas primarily

>Saudi Arabia
>Canada
>West Africa
>Mexico
>Venezuela

Stop trade of oil coming in from saudi arabia, nigeria and chavez land. Submarine fleets to destroy mexican oil, cruise missiles to target canadian oil sand extractors.

Several countries will collapse but America would be sized with oil shortages which cannot be covered JUST by shale.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:32:54 No.27681816
>>27681761
FUCK yes. Those faggots humping up and down the Ho Chi Mihn must've been lean as fuck.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:34:20 No.27681829
>>27681788
>40 percent of America's oil is domestic
>Massive reserves just for the military
>Shale is getting cheaper by the day

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-10/u-s-ousts-russia-as-world-s-top-oil-gas-producer-in-bp-report

Almost 75% of the United States' oil comes from the Americas.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:37:23 No.27681852
>>27681829

I stand corrected, and yet I still stand by the plan.

A 25% drop in oil would have more of a effect on america than any possible military plan.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:38:25 No.27681859
>>27681463

How does he pull the pins...

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:40:46 No.27681878
>>27681788
>overseas
>Canada
>Mexico
lol we were even gonna build a pipeline down from the Albertan oil sands.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:43:18 No.27681899
>>27681878

Ah you know what I mean, foreign sources of oil.

Regardless, the oil sands have a complicated extraction process before it can be even piped to be refined.

The keystone pipeline has also been sidelined by obama and I doubt the new canadian pm would okay it.

Then again we're playing ridiculous war simulator so who knows, maybe Iran gets to field 10,000 suicide Exocet speed boats.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:43:17 No.27681901
>>27681852
Oh dear, people will have to ration gass.
Such a terrible fate.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:44:25 No.27681910
>>27681852
>A 25% drop in oil would have more of a effect on america than any possible military plan

I don't think it would. Rationing would be a thing again, among whatever places aren't fucked over right away.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:44:54 No.27681912
>>27680357
Biological warfare is the only way.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:50:06 No.27681954
>>27681741
They can be fat sacks of shit, as long as they volunteer their hours to write SCADA burnout malware and inject it into enemy industrial systems.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:50:46 No.27681961
Im loving all of these people talking about Oil and food
But its so much simpler
Have Sweden delete/destroy our what, 50% of ISP servers and give it 3 months for the American citizentry to absolutely lose their shit
Even beside all of the data and processes that would be lost, the citizenry would become markably less productive.
Now just let discontent take its course

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:51:08 No.27681963
>>27680357
>invading North America
You would have to go full NBC, you can't defeat all of North America without becoming the worst of two evils, you either win or you keep the moral high-ground.

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Anonymous 2015-10-24 21:54:26 No.27681984
>>27680392
THE POINT OF THE THREAD YOU FUCKING JEW







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