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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:03:06 No.12946145

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how does one hide from FLIR? what can mask heat signature?


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velocity 2012-10-05 17:05:26 No.12946160
Operate in a 98 degree environment

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Papa Foxtrot Hotel 2012-10-05 17:05:45 No.12946161
Fart, it creates a smoke cloud that shrouds you in a smelly cloud of invisibility.

But in all seriousness I read in a guide that you can do multiple things.

Dig a hole, cover with space blanket and foliage

Fool the drone by making multiple signatures

Something with IR Lamps

it had a lot of cool things you could do so you can finally BEAT DEM DRONES

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TheLoneWyoming 2012-10-05 17:06:24 No.12946165
Shoulder Mounted RF gun

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:06:47 No.12946169
>>12946161
where can i gind this guide?

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:07:13 No.12946172
>>12946145
covering yourself in leeches works

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:07:18 No.12946173
>>12946169
*find

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:08:04 No.12946176
There's clothes out there that are made of a special fabric in a specific pattern or something that apparently helps mask you from thermal and FLIR.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:08:05 No.12946177
go innatent

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:08:05 No.12946178

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Papa Foxtrot Hotel 2012-10-05 17:08:23 No.12946179
>>12946169
Give me some time to see if I can dig it out.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:08:52 No.12946182
>>12946145
>http://ilpvideo.com/video.php?v=MzkxNTg
other heat sources. FLIR works by detecting the difference between temperatures. if you aren't substantially different from your surroundings, FLIR will miss you.

you can also use IR absorbent materials in your clothing, of just be out of sight, since IR is still light and can't pass through solid objects.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:09:25 No.12946184

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It's easy, really.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:09:41 No.12946185
>>12946182
lol i guess this json extension retains my last copied link.

niggers unrelated.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:12:41 No.12946195
Standing behind a large pane of glass will block you from FLIR.

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Papa Foxtrot Hotel 2012-10-05 17:12:48 No.12946196
>>12946185
I seem to have lost it. Sorry man.
I'm sure someone on /k/ has the guide, it WAS posted here.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:13:06 No.12946197
hide in corn field or pine trees they give off an absurd amount of heat. Oh and dont move.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:16:49 No.12946205
>>12946196
its alright Pap, ill find it inna deep web probably

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:19:40 No.12946216
>>12946145
solar blankets like firefighters use

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Papa Foxtrot Hotel 2012-10-05 17:20:27 No.12946218
>>12946205
If you make an info thread you might be able to find it.
It had some intricate shit like having fires with firecrackers to simulate fighters with guns, forces the drones to shoot the dummies instead. That shit was cool.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:20:33 No.12946220
Take a mud bath then use a giant wooden log to impale your enemies.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:23:23 No.12946233
You hide under something that is the same temperature as the environment and you don't move.

Fake heat signatures won't do shit. UAV and helicopters are piloted by people, not computers, who happen to not be retarded. They can tell the different between a moving person and a warm stationary piece of garbage.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:27:15 No.12946252

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Let's get some animooted FLIR in here.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:28:12 No.12946256

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Czech This Out 2012-10-05 17:29:31 No.12946265

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>>12946178
>>12946184
Really, it took that long for someone or some people to reference Predator? Jesus fuck, /k/, I am disappoint.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:29:37 No.12946266
>>12946145
"space blankets" or emergency blankets

they are silver and packaged in small plastic packages for cheap

plus you can hide behind a pane of glass I think

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:31:01 No.12946274
>>12946233

This anon's got it. Tunnels, hidey holes, (submerged in) bodies of water.

Or inside a building... just saying. You guys cling to this idea that the only acceptable thing to do is hide in the woods. I plan to be working out of cities. Hide in plain sight.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:32:10 No.12946286
OK PLEBS, LISTEN UP.

Some quick facts about dodging IR detection.

Staying out of line-of-sight does bock detection. However, if you are in, say, a dumpster, FLIR wouldn't be able to detect you. If you were to touch a wall of the dumpster, your body would heat up that section of the dumpster and it would be hotter than the other sections of walls. Also, your body heat alone would heat the dumpster to a point where it's significantly hotter than it's surroundings. The same goes with those mylar space blankets and glass, they block IR detection, but if you were to simply drape one over yourself, it would heat the mylar or glass so that it would be significantly hotter than the ambient air. It is very hard to block your signature completely, even digging a hole and covering it with mylar won't work perfectly. Not that I ever had to worry about blocking my IR sig, but IMO, your best bet would be to partially block it enough so the drone operator assumes you're just a small animal.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:34:33 No.12946310

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>>12946265
>five minutes is a long time

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:35:48 No.12946316

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:36:52 No.12946326
>>12946145
drink your own piss

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:41:01 No.12946341
>>12946286
do we have any reading material that i could pick up the teach how to build an effective hide inna desert?

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:41:58 No.12946348

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEb8tifRRjg
>The pictures were taken from an AC130 Specter gunship two and a half miles away.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:42:20 No.12946350
>get 20 people
>get 20 ghillie suits
>have everyone lay on the ground in ghillie suit
>when them drones investigate all the hear signatures
>its a Smiley face
>drone pilot laughing
>men in ghillie suits unleash barrage of nugget fire
>gotta get them drones man, them drones

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Papa Foxtrot Hotel 2012-10-05 17:43:36 No.12946357
>>12946350
That.....is my life goal.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:45:04 No.12946366
>>12946341
I found that info on some HTML website like 5 months ago. I googled something along the lines of "Stop FLIR" "Stop IR detection". Unfortunately I don't have the bookmark anymore. Just posting a tiny tidbit of the site because 20 people said to just cover yourself in a space blanket. The actual site had a plethora of info on the subject.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:49:35 No.12946389
>>12946286
Andrew Mitchellfag detected. Also Britfag detected.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 17:50:41 No.12946396
>>12946145

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzpVkhm-Otk

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01001011 01101001 01101110 01100111 2012-10-05 18:00:31 No.12946444
>>12946145
They did this on myth busters. Use a large dust cloud to block the viable spectrum cameras, then use fire extinguishers to cover a heat signature.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:02:22 No.12946459
>>12946389
I'm american, and I had to look up who that was.

More importantly, are you attempting to argue the properties of thermal conduction?

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:02:59 No.12946462
>>12946444
I just watched this video, the fire extinguishers didn't work for very long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIHpsyuyV4I

They couldn't disguise anyone to get inside, instead they blocked the camera with a piece of glass

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:08:16 No.12946481
>aluminum foil blanket
>lots of cold water, very cold
>regular blanket
>wrap aluminum foil blank around self, then regular blanket, soaked with cold water.
>become a ninja.
>last 15~20 minutes in a warm environment, less if its a dry place.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:09:08 No.12946485
>>12946481
problem with that being inna desert...

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01001011 01101001 01101110 01100111 2012-10-05 18:09:27 No.12946490
>>12946481
And if you are in the middle of a dessert and FLIR sees a cold pocket?

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:12:28 No.12946505
>>12946490
it might be a problem...but seeing how im in Arizona its quite tricky to find out what could hide an individual albeit a team of individuals.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:13:37 No.12946512
>>12946490
Do the users detect cold pockets though? I mean if I were looking with FLIR I would probably look for heat signatures, a cold spot would probably go right past me.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:14:37 No.12946516
>>12946490
oho good if you asked,if its night, the sand will be cold and he will blend t it.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:17:20 No.12946531
>>12946505
during day, maybe
in a desert t close range a cold spot would be very visible in contrast with very hot sand.

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01001011 01101001 01101110 01100111 2012-10-05 18:20:18 No.12946548
>>12946512
They should. I would think they are trained on what it looks like to try to evade the system.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:20:55 No.12946554
>>12946481
Too complicated

Get an insulated blanket/sheet/thing
Get a non-insulated sheet, something thin that will absorb/lose heat quickly
Sew the edges together
Add a small fan that blow air between the two layers
Hide with the thin side out. The insulated side slows the transfer of your body heat, the thin side quickly conforms to the outside temperature, and the fan both creates an insulating air gap and cools the thin side. You can have multiple thin layers and fans for added air gaps.
Maybe an extra fan so you don't get hot under there.

The downside is that you will heat the ground you rest on. If you have an air-circulation fan underneath the blanket then you also have to worry about what the warm exhaust will heat up. You could do the same idea for an entire suit but it would be extremely hot, you'd need an exhaust for sure.
You could have compressed gas containers on hand to cool the exhaust.
You could also have a small mixing chamber that pulls in lots of external air to mix with warm exhaust before release. The mixer would move like 3 or 4 times the air as the exhaust so that the change in temperature is insignificant.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:22:27 No.12946562
>>12946554
yours is much simplier

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:22:48 No.12946566
>>12946554
maybe if you built a spider hole or something like that and placed a blanket like this over the top...just a thought.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:25:05 No.12946578
>>12946548
that depends...
see, most military flir is black and white(black,white and grey to be precise)
in a full color flir a cold spot like that would be easy to see, but in the cheap ass ones it would be just another cold part of the background

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:31:06 No.12946604
>>12946578
Military FLIR is also tuned to a different heat range. The only thing they really need to see through FLIR is "human" and "not human"

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:31:16 No.12946606
it sounds silly, and probably wouldn't work long, but what if you made a cloak out of cold-packs?

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:33:59 No.12946622
>>12946606
actually modern military grade thermal supression suits are like that, and work like fifteen twenty minutes till the heat leaks from the edges of the suit, stitches, etc.
and the irony it that you can have a heatstroke inside one of them!

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:39:25 No.12946655
Here's a neat thread about this FLIR evasion
http://wadro59.multiply.com/links/item/9

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:46:43 No.12946707
http://www.socnet.com/showpost.php?p=80682&postcount=11

>One thing that worked very well when the sun was up and you know the enemy was heading your way was to set fire to rocks along a stretch of the treeline with some sort of flameable liquid, because then the huge amounts of heat sources confuse the FLIR operator but of course the flames have to have burnt out when the enemy arrives but since rocks retain heat for very long this isn´t a problem. This was used to great effect by us in an exercise, we heated up a large amount of rocks a few hundred meters from our OP and when the enemy arrived they attacked the heat sources with Mech Inf and when they had dismounted to engage we called for artie with coordinates and all prepared, result: one Mech inf comp destroyed(reduced below combat efficiency) and we sneaking out without a single loss
>Note that this usually only works with Mech Inf: FLIR operator:"Sir,I got several heat sources", CO: "Lets kill it!"

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:53:31 No.12946749
>>12946707
Same thread, jumping in water doesn't do shit

>I have seen guys jump into the water to try to E&E and go totally submerged... Looks really neat on the FLIR screen, like the old footage of a torpedo moving through the water.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:54:44 No.12946756
>>12946145
Hide in a dead animal, it won't mask your heat signature but it will disguise it. they will think the animal was just killed.

don't give me some bullshit about how thats gross, if you're being picked up by a FLIR it couldn't be for anything good and could save your life

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:56:00 No.12946764

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I think we've had this same thread three times in the last few days. This is the optimal camouflage for FLIR.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 18:58:20 No.12946784
>>12946756
Human-sized dead animals aren't very portable

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Legatus Fancius 2012-10-05 18:59:19 No.12946794
Fire extinguishers.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:00:06 No.12946797
Hide under a thick blanket, it holds body heat in and makes you blend into the background ambient heat.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:00:13 No.12946798
>>12946764
Depends on whether the military is hunting for furries and bronies, dude.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:01:37 No.12946806
>>12946784
who said you need to carry it anywhere?

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:02:59 No.12946817
Get inside/underground.

Line of sight is the only way to escape. Your body will heat whatever you try to hide behind or in.

FLIR can find guns and objects dropped by running perps, because the object stays hot for several minutes.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:06:16 No.12946838
>>12946806
Your anti-thermal device needs to be portable. Chances of having a dead animal nearby at the same moment a helicopter comes is slim. You'd probably would be in a group anyway so you'd need a few handy carcasses or be operating in elephant territory.

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That Guy 2012-10-05 19:09:41 No.12946859
>>12946797

Yeah... good luck with that.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:12:04 No.12946873
>>12946859
It does work briefly. It would warm up quite quickly though.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:12:05 No.12946874
>>12946764

Wouldn't that just look like a crouched over person?

Also what if you had heaters throughout it so you looked like a real horse?

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:13:36 No.12946880
My father said they used reflective blankets or some shit to cover themselves when he was a falskjermjeger in the Norwegian army. To counter dem soviet techs

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:17:18 No.12946900

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>>12946874
It's a two-person suit. You could have small fans circulate air inside to heat the suit. It would probably look like a freaking cartoon animal on FLIR.

pic related, real durr on FLIR

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:18:52 No.12946914
>>12946900

Yeah that answers my question. It would look like two dudes unless you tried really hard and didnt mind being hot as fuck

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:19:49 No.12946918
buy IR patches. confuse dem drones by making them think you're friendly forces.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:19:59 No.12946920

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related

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:27:42 No.12946976
>>12946920
I wonder how that would be treated in war. An obvious zebra suited crossing a road. I doubt anyone would open fire on it.

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Anonymous 2012-10-05 19:28:05 No.12946978
>>12946764

Hes referring to a video where an AC130 gunship was engaging the bad guys and trying not to hit the donkeys (which the bad guys were pretty close to)

I don't think any of the donkeys were harmed (maybe one of them got some shrapnel but nothing life threatening)

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That Guy 2012-10-05 19:33:07 No.12947012
>>12946918

>Commando 2-1 this is Extreme 4-4 uhhh... we have a single IR signature here do you have any isolated or individual units in the AO, over.

>Extreme 4-4 this is Commando two one, stand by over.

>Extreme 4-4 this is Commando 2-1, confirm I have no isolated elements in the AO break... say again all my pax are accounted for.

>Commando 2-1 this is Extreme 4-4 copy all that, be advised we have eyes on a potential shooter or spotter, request permission to engage.

>Commando 2-1 this is Extreme 4-4 roger that, my initials are A-B-C break.... you are cleared to engage.

And that's that.







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