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Anonymous 2013-02-03 19:03:27 No.3431214

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Are comparisons to 1984 basically equivalent to Godwin's Law these days? It's almost like the Forer Effect (Why people think horoscopes come true) in that it could be related to ANY governance, war, or surveillance. The ambiguity about Ingsoc's left/right views doesn't help.

Anonymous 2013-02-03 19:14:14 No.3431257
basically, Orwel is a shitty writer that has no idea what he's talking about

Anonymous 2013-02-03 19:17:24 No.3431264
wait, you thought it was left/right ambiguous?

IngSoc = English Socialism

also, i agree with the OP. it doesn't mean i stop listening to someone, it's just annoying how frequently it comes up

same goes for hitler. he's just a stand-in for a moral limit.

Anonymous 2013-02-03 19:25:31 No.3431287
The problem with bringing up 1984 is that it was a statement against totalitarianism, and pretty much everyone agrees that totalitarianism is a broadly bad thing. It's like "Hey, Orwell says this about totalitarianism, look how terrible it is!" and the only thing that you can say is "yeah, I guess," meaning that no real discussion can come from it.

Also, the fact that people will get really stick-up-their butt about 1984 vs. Brave New World means that it's practically a dead end.

Anonymous 2013-02-03 19:26:39 No.3431292
Yeah, but Orwell was a socialist. Orwell was just also concerned about state corruption and the fact that words can be changed to mean different things.

IngSoc may mean "English Socialism" technically, but that doesn't actually suggest that society is particularly socialist in the sense that we normally think of it.

Anonymous 2013-02-03 19:35:18 No.3431323
You have to look at it as a defence of Socialism from the writer's point of view - not merely an attack on Totalitarianism. It was written with the recognition that Socialism and Totalitarianism are not things that are inseparably bound together, which is an incredibly important statement.

You can't even write in the past tense, please don't attempt to critique somebody else on their literature when you can't even spell your target's name right.

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