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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:02:40 No.6568168

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Can you guys recommend me books to de/pol/arize myself? I went there for keks but slowly that vile, miasmatic community has polluted my brain and corrupted my psyche.


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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:03:44 No.6568171
>>6568168
Virginia Woolf, especially A Room of One's Own

Poor lass was too good for the world

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:04:16 No.6568173
Invisible Man. Excellent piece of literature

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:05:55 No.6568181
>>6568168
/pol/ is right about some things, like the jewish conspiracy shit(even Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Mencken, and Cicero believed it to be true).

Where they go wrong is their desire to solve problems by all means necessary. Also they can't into Marx.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:08:52 No.6568196
I just want to say I'm very disappointed with myself for not being able to provide you with a proper list.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:17:00 No.6568222
>>6568168
anything empathic, obviously

>>6568181
>Cicero
you what nigger
are you talking about Marcus Tullius Cicero? he lived 2000 years ago, even if the jews are ruling the earth now, what happened 2k years ago is pretty much irrelevant.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:19:14 No.6568227
>>6568222
No one said they rule the earth faggot.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:19:15 No.6568228
/pol/ is actually right about some things though. Dont think that just because they present a narrow minded worldview that you have to now go and doubt everything you learnt there.

If you want to get rid of the bad aspects of /pol/ and keep the good then all you really have to do is read up on logic, more specifically critical thinking.

Essentially just start with the greeks.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:21:03 No.6568236
>>6568168
Stirner will destroy your want of fascism

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SYK FUK RUKUS 2015-05-21 01:21:10 No.6568238
/pol/ is Voltaire incarnated into a collective community

>racist against blacks
>heavily authoritarian
>anti-semitic
>believe in higher power, but not a Christian God (at least in majority)
>attempts of sophisticated, philosophical thought with mediocre results (not outright negative, but neither with much success)

So if anything, don't read him.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:21:46 No.6568241
>>6568227
any jewish conspiracy that is relevant now will have very little to do with whatever happened 2000 years ago, still

the whole reason so many jews are in the finance / entertainment sectors is because they were forbidden to do anything but handle money

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:24:43 No.6568248
>>6568241
Just because they were in some ways forced to be moneylenders (which they really weren't but no point going into that here) does not absolve them of guilt from being practically diabolical.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:27:11 No.6568263
>>6568248
nah, fuck this, i'm out

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:28:36 No.6568273
>>6568263
Cool bro, your input was valued ;^)

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 01:29:40 No.6568276
>>6568263

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 02:40:55 No.6568530
Thanks for the recommendations everyone. I'll probably get into some Virginia Woolf after I finish my current book.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 07:52:29 No.6569485
Guns, Germs and Steel.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 08:21:58 No.6569546
>>6568168
Engels anti-during
Marx 18th Brumaire
Burke
Hobbes
Kropotkin Mutual Aid
Foucault society must be defended
Hammond and Hammond town labourer
Braverman labor and monopoly capital
EP Thompson time work discipline and industrial capitalism

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 08:24:17 No.6569552
>>6569485
;)

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 08:24:28 No.6569553
>>6568530
Perhaps some thing about love and compassion, freedom from greed, hatred and delusion, which is what they talk about in Buddhist literature all the time. Or even Christian mystical literature. Check out the philokalia, it talks a lot about love, forgiveness, hating no one, etc.

Also try meditating for a month. Meditation has the effect of 'melting' the emotional structures that we have set up in our minds, which we use to defend the fragile ego, resulting in fear, hatred etc. You will be a calmer, more compassionate, detached human being after a month of meditating.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 08:25:36 No.6569555
>>6568168
Rousseau
Simmel

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 08:36:11 No.6569570
>>6568168
Just read more. Even read Mein Kampf and all those books made by nazis.
Seems that most /pol/acks never read Mein Kampf.
Then read more about politics. Read Plato, Marx, Rousseau, Motesquieau, Bakunin. You can even read fucking Evola if you want and realise why the fuck white supremacists like Evola.

/pol/ is right on obvious things that every person who read the news (in a somewhat objective way) would know, like the rich jews control the USA (pretty obvious if you ask me, although not all of them are jews) and shit like that. On the rest, it's just their opinions.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 08:48:53 No.6569587
what the fuck is with people here saying /pol/ is right about anything. go back there if you agree with literally anything they say

OP, read Ursula Le Guin and Thomas Pynchon

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 08:59:32 No.6569605
>>6569570
>You can even read fucking Evola if you want and realise why the fuck white supremacists like Evola.

Actually there was a pretty big schism in the right, all the reading intellectual types and the racist degenerates realized that other than having some common enemies they had nothing in common. Evola was an anti-facist and an anti-nationalist, only the most shallow reading of his works could reconcile it with plebeian biological racism and nationalism.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 09:13:20 No.6569626
>>6569546
>Engels anti-during
helps against muh halposhit
>18th Brumaire
muh constitution libertards will be destroyed
>Burke
muh complicated human nature scepticism i think already is well represented over there
>Hobbes
de Corpore is quite the must read for those interested in pre-newtonian physics but otherwise it's shit especially to the obscenely fat ameritards who populate the board. they've been brought up on the locke/hobbes/burke ideology.
>Kropotkin Mutual Aid
for whom? for the vulgarmost social darwinists?
>the rest
didn't even read that.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 09:16:05 No.6569631
>>6569605
This. I don't know why /pol/ likes Evola when he is against pretty much everything the /pol/ hive mind stands for.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 09:37:33 No.6569660
Chomsky

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 09:38:32 No.6569664
Foucault's Pendulum

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 10:04:22 No.6569704
You have to realise that /pol/ is just memes being taken at face value by people wanting to emulate the sekrit club hivemind.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 10:08:56 No.6569713
The Invisible Man
The Plague
Rousseau's Social Contract
The Monkey Wrench Gang
Demons, Dostoevsky
The Buddhist Diamond Sutra

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 10:27:15 No.6569732
>>6568168
>Can you guys recommend me books to de/pol/arize myself?

You only need one, and not the pic related one. Any of them will clear you of that haze.

It's pretty easy to see that they are simply too eager to prove their own bias true.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 10:33:49 No.6569738
>>6568168
Having opinions is okay as long as you aren't crazy about it. /pol/ is okay for making you think, just remember that most people consider Hitler mentally ill and Nazism only worked because of 10/10 demagoguery.

Maximilien Robespierre did nothing wrong.

Read Anne of Green Gables, you should feel more or less fine about everything by the end.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 10:37:26 No.6569745
Read Hilberg. The Holocaust really did happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Destruction_of_the_European_Jews

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 10:48:28 No.6569765
Basically anything.

/pol/ isn't exactly well-read or informed.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 10:56:21 No.6569788
>>6568168
This looks promising

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 11:19:37 No.6569838
>le /pol/ is stupid maymay
Not that here is any better. Recommanding marxist stuff or irrelevant novels. Anyone can make anything look bad in novels in a manner impossible to criticize.
Might as well recommend White Privilege by Rotenberg (this actually exists and is used in college).

OP, just read Carl Schmitt along with Benjamin Constant. All of the /pol/ stuff and none of the tardness. Especially for the first the concept of the political and if you are into it, the Theory of the Constitution. For the second, principles of politics.

>>6568238
>Voltaire
>Authoritarian
Being monarchist does not mean being authoritarian.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 11:34:42 No.6569863
>>6569745
But didn't Hilberg put the death count of Jews as 5.1? That would be received today as anti-semitic.

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Hamlet 2015-05-21 11:47:48 No.6569876
Read W.G. Sebald.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 11:53:32 No.6569890
>>6569863
How can you say only 5.999.999 Jews died? That's one million off. Why would you ignore the murder of three million of the chosen?

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 11:54:36 No.6569892
>>6569863

No it wouldn't. Your strawman is anti-semitic though.

6 million is roughly the total number of victims of the holocaust which includes gays, gypsies and intellectuals.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 11:58:31 No.6569905
>>6569890

fuck off /pol/

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Hamlet 2015-05-21 11:59:30 No.6569909
>>6569892
????????????????????

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 12:02:33 No.6569917
>>6568168
ITT: /pol/ is actually smart guise I swear!1!1!!1

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 12:04:42 No.6569924
>>6568181
>even Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Mencken, and Cicero believed it to be true

Lol, I'm pretty sure none of them believed in a Jewish conspiracy. You need better reading comprehension.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 12:15:13 No.6569945
>>6568168
Les miserables.(CBA to check its correct spelling)

Anything really that brings you down to earth.
Anything humane and grounded in the simple desire of people to live love and be loved.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 12:17:17 No.6569948
>>6568181
My god...Is this real brainwashing or are you just schizophrenic?
What about free masons and the illuminati? These groups actually existed/exist...
Of course none of them ever had some diabolical scheme to control the world.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 12:18:17 No.6569950
>>6568228
What is /pol/ right about?
>inb4 graphs

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 12:19:45 No.6569952
>>6568181
>even Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Mencken, and Cicero believed it to be true).
Top tier bait.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 12:25:37 No.6569959
>>6568248
So what % of jews was/is diabolically conspiring to control everything? You realize that most jewish societies in the diaspora were poor as fuck with only several families being rich? That there were many pogroms that killed tons of jews through history, starting from the romans(rebellion to free isreal).
They were killed and massacred and their property taken and communities shattered or almost destroyed.
This opposition started during roman times as jews were practically(if not absolutely) the only monotheists and continued with the divide between jedaism and christianity, the later being a more universalized version of Judaism.
Jews were merchants simply because for the legacy of the dissolution of rome - the rise of Islam and christian Europe.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 12:40:01 No.6570010
>>6569948
Eh to be fair Freemasons historically have done some very sketchy things, though not conspiratard-level "take over the world" things.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 12:58:48 No.6570052
>>6569917
ITT : /pol/ is actually stupid guise I swear!1!1!!1
>>6569945
Confusing post. Les Misérables plot revolves far too much on revolution to be about 'live, love and be loved". I guess when it's calling for this revolution it is an expression of the desires of people.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 12:59:15 No.6570053
>>6570010
And good things too.
Here in Italy Freemasons actually helped in Italian unification (Risorgimento).

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 13:11:32 No.6570080
>>6568181
/pol/ debunked in one ebin maymay

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 13:22:22 No.6570102
>>6569863
He said a lot more worse things than that. Just read it.

Plus he endorsed Finkelstein's book on the Holocaust industry.

I'm surprised the ADL haven't tried to ban it or launch a smear campaign against him.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 13:30:34 No.6570118
>>6569909
So you want to subtract dead people?
Even if the estimates are closer to 5 million should we just round down? That is retarded and inhumane. Does it even matter if its 5.1 or 6? Its somewhere along those figures thats what matters. We round up to not be autistic retards.
Why is this important? Sure, 6 million might be a convenient meme. Maybe its a historical meme based on earlier estimations, or maybe later ones?
Focusing on it being 5.1 million as oppose to 6, even if it has a higher probability, is silly unless you are an actual historian discussing the specific topic academically. Should people discussing this topic name different figures and start arguing over the different estimates every time they talk about the holocaust? Its a moot argument.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 14:08:16 No.6570201
>>6570080
ez pz.

jews got there by fraud.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 15:11:10 No.6570353
>>6568168
/pol/ is occasionally right.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 15:13:43 No.6570365
>>6570353

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 15:27:03 No.6570433
>>6568168
>Can you guys recommend me books to de/pol/arize myself?

You don't need books, you need real life.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 15:33:27 No.6570454
>>6568168
>Brave New World

If unhealthy homogeneity is the issue, as it is with /pol/, this is a good read.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 15:59:01 No.6570556
>>6570433
Today I received an email at work about the diversity sensibilisation in our company.
Picturing a caveman pulling a woman by the hair. A little text as footnote telling about how we must integrate people of all genders, sexual orientations, ...
My colleuges and I laughed at it but it is there.

When coming home, in the subway, was an add about a website specifically dedicated to extra conjugal affairs. Literal cuckhold on big posters. For the record the subway traffic system in Paris (I live there) recently got into a controversy about the director (appointed by the president, collectivisme oblige) taking out an add about a concert of priests whose profits were directed to help refugees fleeing ISIS. This was cencored while the publicity for cuckholdry flourishes.

Then I heard Arab during my travel. I don't know where you live and if you are aware of how trash a language this is. Dutch is harmonious compared to Arab.

/pol/ is real life.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 16:12:21 No.6570623
>>6570556
As an outsider, what is the deal with /pol/'s obsession with cuckolding?

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 16:17:55 No.6570647
>>6570623
They blame their lack of gf on being preemptively cucked by niggers of their rightful WASP mates.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 16:18:08 No.6570650
>>6570052
>ITT : /pol/ is actually stupid guise I swear!1!1!!1

Correct. Yesterday I saw /pol/tards on /tv/ who were convinced sandy hook and 9/11 were government false flag attacks.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 16:19:49 No.6570659
>letting /pol/ influence you
>being impressed by unfalsifiable conspiracy shit

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 16:19:57 No.6570660
The stances of the majority of /pol/ on many issues are quite sensible (feminism, immigration, differences between races/sexes, religion)

It's the nazi shit and the worldwide Jew conspiracy garbage that really cripples it

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 16:22:45 No.6570670
>>6568168
The best antidote is to study how the governments they talk about actually work and to expose yourself to reasonable people from all walks of life and sides of issues.

/pol/ knows almost nothing about the mechanisms involved in the governments they criticize and they cannot empathize or understand the opposition on any issue.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 17:05:34 No.6570817
ITT: evidence of why this board is garbage now. 2/3 of you think /pol/ has anything worthwhile to say

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 17:11:09 No.6570826
>>6570817

>everything these people say is categorically false

Sounds like a statement originating from emotion, not objective observation. Maybe you should try to say something more substantive next time.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 17:16:55 No.6570843
Essentially, you have to read history beyond "muh jews"

A few places to start:

- The American Political Tradition
- Power & Politics in California (may seem lame but it's a useful insight to local politics and politics in general. Try to find one for your state)
- Democracy in America

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 17:18:50 No.6570848
>>6570556

>living in europe

you brought it on yourself

>>6570623

they enjoy if obviously

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 17:25:27 No.6570870
>>6569959
don't bother arguing with him. On 4chan only small, bullet point posts accompanied by one or more dank meme are read. It helps to add an attention grabbing picture too. Make it colorful and have an interesting title.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 17:33:38 No.6570899
Autobiography of Malcolm X, which is also just a great read.

Any lingering prejudice I had was destroyed by that book.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 17:35:39 No.6570904
does anyone have some actually convincing sources against racial IQ differences?

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 17:36:22 No.6570910
>>6570556
Normal people don't obsess over posters. But then, normal people don't visit /pol/ and autistcripple-chan.

You're supposed to sympathize either with Israel or Palestine for two minutes and then ignore the issue again, not grow obsessed with conspiracy theories of jews and/or cultural marxists controlling the world. Do you think you can manage that for a while? You're not supposed to get obsessed with feminists (in Europe). You're not supposed to pay attention to Gamergate (which was directly playing into the hands of wannabe social critics by being a stupid, directionless angry mob that can be blamed for anything due to anonymity).

Most importantly, normal people don't get obsessed with cuckolding conspiracies.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 17:41:39 No.6570935
Holy shit the /pol/tards on here...

I swear most of the 4chan boards have gotten worse because of a /pol/ and /r9k/ infection.

I also find it funny both boards rail against groupthink but have their own brand of it.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 17:48:02 No.6570957
>>6568238
>racist against blacks
idk about this

>heavily authoritarian
no he wasn't

>anti-semitic
idk bout dis

>believe in higher power, but not a Christian God (at least in majority)
80% of /pol/ is Christian you dolt

>attempts of sophisticated, philosophical thought with mediocre results (not outright negative, but neither with much success)
idk ur dumb

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 17:52:08 No.6570968
>>6570670
I agree with this

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 18:15:23 No.6571040
>>6570957
>80% of /pol/ is Christian
They affirm Christianity as Christianity has often been the religion of oppressive authoritarian empires.

You would be hard pressed to find any of the common beliefs in /pol/ reflected in the actual teachings of Christ.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 18:20:14 No.6571051
>>6571040
Well, most of the reactionary right wing is Christian and act like that, it's just because of muh traditions

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 18:26:26 No.6571066
>>6570623
I don't care much about cuckholding, it was just there today. Next week will be something else.

>>6570848
I was born there. It's not that bad, except that I happened to live in the gay quarter. It's literally two streets of gayness only. Had to be where my grandfather bought a flat after the war.
The funny thing is that it is precisely next to the traditional Jewish quarter that St Louis made, both to protect them from mobs and control their shaddy deals, i the 13th century.

My neighbors the floor below are one flaming trplord and one orthodox Jew family. They hate each other with more passion I think I will ever find in me.

Note that, if anything, this is an anti-/pol/ story since the Jews are the ones surrounded by the degenerates they are supposed to throw at the goyim.

>>6570910
To use /pol/ phraseology, this is extreme good goy behavior.
>Come on, you obviously will never be influenced by the publicity we throw at you every single day.
>There are quotas of females which make companies do retarded stuff to circumvent the stupid laws, but no problem there.

Come on, you're not one of these tinfoil nutjobs, are you? You wouldn't care about us going to your mails, hen? Do you have something to hide?

Oups, the law passed and it's been 3 weeks so papers don't pretend to make an opposition. Everything is fine. Everything is perfectly fine. Just go on with your lives.
Don't you have your friends to release the pressure from work? Yes, don't care about these things. After all, you risk nothing. We live in the post political era.

What do you mean taxes have been raised every year for 35 years and we still manage to get huge deficits. Just....don't you have friends to go out with? Don't think about it. Yes, good goy. You're not one of the babby eating libertarians that don't like, nay, are not fond of giving half their income to pay for politicians, heu no, welfare recipients, heu no diversity, heu roads. That's it, muh roads.

Why are you asking questions? You're supposed to go ... enjoy life !

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 18:34:13 No.6571085
>>6570957
Wasn't there a poll that showed most of them were atheists?

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 18:43:48 No.6571115
>>6570623
All racists love cuckolding, and cuckolding is a racist fetish for the most part.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 18:51:15 No.6571137
>>6570848
>>6571115
Is this ebin reverse psychology?

>>6568238
>racist against blacks
Very
>heavily authoritarian
Not at all
>anti-semitic
Very
>believe in higher power, but not a Christian God
Common misconception. Voltaire spent his old age in a chapel and also said he never did.
>attempts of sophisticated, philosophical thought with mediocre results
Voltaire is decent on that point. Nothing very original, but he was the second greatest intelliectual influence on the American Revolution after Montesquieu.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 18:57:40 No.6571158
>>6569950

9/11 was Mossad and CIA
Jews control the Media and Banks and you can't be a politician and oppose them
Sandy Hook was faked
Michelle Obama is a man
Iran, Syria and Hezbollah are the good guys while the Isreal-gulf state-saudi axis are the bad guys
The US was behind the overthrowing of Ukraine's government
Hillary Clinton is a quasi-necon establishment shill
90% of the time there is an anti-white article or organization its written or organized by a jewish person
Aaay Lmao are real

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 18:59:46 No.6571168
>>6569924
They literally believed Jews control Europe. Nietzsche was against anti semitism though, as he believed the Jews were simply excercising their will.
This is common knowledge to anyone who has read them, don't think you can pur lol at the end of your post, feign ignorance, and make everything you don't like go away.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 19:02:42 No.6571177
>>6570904
The basic problem is that neither "race" nor "intelligence" are rigorously defined, scientific concepts. There are entire books about what's wrong with The Bell Curve but that's the gist of it.

>>6570826
/pol/ is dumb as shit. get off /lit/ if you agree with /pol/ on literally anything

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 19:04:17 No.6571181
>>6571158

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 19:09:19 No.6571193
>>6571177

>rewording of the same emotionally charged generalization

Well, at least you tried. Maybe the third time you can blurt out something substantive, even if by accident.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 19:11:07 No.6571200
>>6571193
I'm not trying to make an argument. I'm trying to get anyone who agrees with anything about /pol/ to get the fuck off this board.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 19:14:16 No.6571207
>>6570080
It's obviously the left one. Even /pol/fags know it, but their gay love for his dungeon master Adolf Hitler won'¡t allow them to admit it.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 19:22:17 No.6571230
>>6568168
james baldwin, ralph ellison, charles dickens

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 19:22:46 No.6571234
>>6571200

Why? You can't be so dense as to believe there aren't plenty of intelligent people who believe some or many of the things the majority of /pol/ believes so I assume your categorical rejection of them is a political one.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 19:33:10 No.6571274
>>6571234
>>>>>>/pol/

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 19:49:59 No.6571316
>>6571200
Blind hatred is a lot easier than critical thought it's okay. I forgive you.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:02:05 No.6571348
>>6571230
Ellison and Dickens are very much /pol/-friendly redpill authors, you moron.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:02:43 No.6571351
>>6571234
My categorical rejection is a desire to get those people off the board I post on and back on to /pol/

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:05:46 No.6571366
ITT : triggers.
Sure puts things into perspective.

After browsing /pol/ for more than 20 minutes I get tired of it, but I often forget what the typical guy fighting against pol things is annoying.
Same thing with /tv/ though. A quick glance at imbd/rotten tomatoes/ r cinema reminds me why I keep going to the board.

>>6571348
I think Dickens is a bit heavy on the poor soul struggling in life. I'm still mad at how he pictures "buying low selling high means I won't feed my grandmother". He is still more or less /pol/ indeed.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:06:04 No.6571368
>>6569738
>Maximilien Robespierre did nothing wrong

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:06:38 No.6571371
>>6568168
I'm not sure if you're looking for non-political books or anti-rabid-right-wing-neo-nazi books, but assuming the latter:

1. Herbert Marcuse's One-Dimensional Man is by far the most eye-opening book I've read. It's hard philosophy so it doesn't make for light reading, but but it speaks things that were true in '68, and almost entirely are also true today.
2. Bakunin's writings are a good primer on left anarchism. Easily understood critique of capitalism and anti-authoritarian socialism put into words (Bakunin was one of the leading ideologues in the first international before Marx's ideas took firm hold of it). Likewise, Rosa Luxemburg's writings.
3. David Harvey's A Brief History of Neoliberalism is a good read on how capitalist thought and practice has evolved since the '70s (Reaganism, Thatcherism, China's capitalist reforms). Harvey's writing is comprehensive and uses a lot of numbers to demonstrate the things he writes about.

And also, read lots, and lots of history. Not just European history; world history, and make sure it's world history that tries to escape a Eurocentric point of view. It is vital for giving you a humanist perspective; if you're well-read enough then the universality of the human condition will start to become self-evident, because you'll see it manifest on everyone all over the world throughout the ages past.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:08:23 No.6571377
>>6571351

I asked you why you want to do X and you respond by stating that you want to do X, as if that answers my question.

Are you literally a retarded person?

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:08:39 No.6571380
>>6570053
>Risorgimento
>bene

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:12:16 No.6571392
>>6571368
I'm as anti-revolutionnary as possible but Robespierre is just an easy scapegoat. It allows people to dismiss the horror of progressism by showing a super villain that distracted good natured people from a noble goal.
It's the myth of the evil leader in an otherwise good system.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:14:47 No.6571399
>>6571392
Any history that isn't great man history isn't a history for me.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:18:32 No.6571414
>>6571399
I am just playing OP game.
I don't think I can point to many great men whose life wouldn't give "pol" inspiration.
You can always go for Carlyle but he's in the top 0.1% most /pol/ writers.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:29:29 No.6571455
>>6571371
You are perfectly right to search for expanding horizons in History. Here is some insight from the Berber Khaldun :

>The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and proximity to the animal stage. Other persons who accept the status of slave do so as a means of attaining high rank, or power, or wealth, as is the case with the Mameluke Turks in the East and with those Franks and Galicians who enter the service of the state [in Spain].

>"Beyond [known peoples of black West Africa] to the south there is no civilization in the proper sense. There are only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings. They live in thickets and caves, and eat herbs and unprepared grain. They frequently eat each other. They cannot be considered human beings."

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:40:01 No.6571489
>>6571414
Carlyle was a fucking racist asshole who supported slavery who no one liked or wanted to be associated with, no wonder /pol/ would love him.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:41:56 No.6571492
>>6571489
>supporting slavery in a time where slavery is the norm makes you a racist asshole
edgy. If we were to judge every figure in the past by the standards of today they'd be any kind of -ist you care to think of.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:43:13 No.6571501
>>6571455
That is indeed an excellent piece, in that it highlights some of the central arguments of idiotic racism a lot of white supremacists and assorted neo-nazis adhere to today. A good knowledge of history serves well to dispel those illusions; reading about the great west African empires that existed at the time for instance is a perfect argument against a statement as stupid as
>They live in thickets and caves, and eat herbs and unprepared grain. They frequently eat each other. They cannot be considered human beings.
Did you know that Musa I of Mali went to Mecca on Hajj after ascending to the throne of Mali and brought with him so much gold that in passing through Egypt he fucking tanked the Mediterranean economy via inflation? He also ascended to the throne after his predecessor, convinced there was another land across the Atlantic, embarked on a huge expedition to cross the ocean and never came back (some 100 years prior to Columbus).

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:44:31 No.6571505
>>6571492
No, he supported it AFTER it was abolished, he wrote hundreds of letters to mill and when he did a public speech supporting it everyone walked out of the room disgusted and he STILL wouldn't stop supporting it.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:44:50 No.6571507
>>6568248
/pol/ is leaking again

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:45:48 No.6571510
>>6571505
>public policy is a reflection of all constituent opinions
Wow, man. Two for two on the infallible logic front.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:47:41 No.6571517
>>6571177
>The basic problem is that neither "race" nor "intelligence" are rigorously defined, scientific concepts. There are entire books about what's wrong with The Bell Curve but that's the gist of it.

Anything ACTUALLY CONVINCING though? Few social terms are "rigorously defined," including "class." What is clear is that people with a relatively larger degree of African ancestry perform worse on tests that attempt to measure abstract reasoning abilities, including tests where all efforts are made to reduce the cultural component. The only good evidence against this being due to innate, biological differences in the ONE test of half-black German children of black American soldiers after WW2 where the half-black children were only slightly below the mean rather than a standard deviation below it.

Ideologically I would prefer it not to be true but the available evidence leans overwhelmingly to it being true, at least what I've seen. I'd like to see something that argues convincingly against it without nonsense like "race is a social construct" or "IQ isn't real."

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:47:56 No.6571520
>>6571489
>who no one liked or wanted to be associated with
Mill was a personal friend with him. He burned his initial edition of the French Revolution though and Carlyle striked back with calling him a virgin or some shit in public.

Deep friendship you won't have.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:50:51 No.6571533
>>6571510
>>6571520
>>>/pol/

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 20:53:42 No.6571546
>>6571517
>including tests where all efforts are made to reduce the cultural component
Calling bullshit on that, you can't really do that. Kids treated different grow up different, kids that grow up poorer grow up different, there's just all sorts of things that get in the way of true equality without a radical social revolution.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 21:00:55 No.6571564
>>6571546

He said reduce, not erase.

>kids that grow up poorer grow up different

Obviously proper studies only investigate children of the same socio-economic class. Or in the case of Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study they studied adopted children all adopted by middle-upper class white families.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 21:03:38 No.6571570
>>6571501
Was is funnier is your attempt at saying that bringing massive inflation is a sign of civilization, especially on a supposedly anti-pol thread.
He was a fucking moron that happene to live in the gold coast.

And sailing on the Atlantic without (purely western btw) mastery of naval building and operation is totally retarded. No record of his passage either.

Are you a not-so -subtle /pol/ false flag? I can't tell anymore. Guess it's Poe's law in full effect.

>idiotic racism
Since you speak of idiotic racism, may you produce some piece intelligent racism? Or were you just spouting insults at people not thinking the way you are?

>>6571546
I hate to be this guy, but wouyld you be so kind as to indicate your falsifiable way of what you would call proof of dumbness in massive populations?
I guess IQ test don't count, studies on twins raised in different homes since whildhood, relative tests of Iq or SAT versus income, testimonies from everyone in past cultures, ...

It really *seems* as you would consider antiracism unfalsifiable.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 21:08:31 No.6571581
>>6568168
Start studying philosophy, both political and non. It'll help you realize most of what's on /pol/ is just pure rhetoric. Not to mention the absolutely wild amount of political philosophies there are. I won't recommend any, because I'm apolitical myself, but just cast a wide net.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 21:09:07 No.6571583
>>6571570
holy fuck back to >>>/pol/

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 21:10:29 No.6571588
>>6571583
Nice response.
Confirmed for poltard on false flag operation.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 21:16:40 No.6571614
>>6571564
In any case what you look like definitely affects how you are treated, which also affects how you perceive yourself and how you self-identify, which affects a whole lot of functions of how you grow up. It affects how much standardised education (and for that matter, everything standardised in society) represents you, and you will perform accordingly. It is exceedingly difficult to detach those standardised metrics like IQ and whatnot from how well a person conforms to the typical expectations of a society, which are almost always defined by the elites of that society. In a society that considers the pinnacle of success to be being a rich white man, anyone who fails any of those three will underperform in general. You have some exceptions like Asians performing better than whites but more often than not the elites of western countries adopt Asian values nowadays.

>>6571570
>Was is funnier is your attempt at saying that bringing massive inflation is a sign of civilization,
Yeah, it means he was rich as all hell dude. Mali had so much gold that their Mansa going on a Hajj brought so much wealth to the (then relatively poor) Mediterranean that it fucked the economy up.
>And sailing on the Atlantic without (purely western btw) mastery of naval building and operation is totally retarded. No record of his passage either.
Why? The Vikings did it, and that was long before the caravel was invented. Ambition stops no man. He probably sunk with his fleet, but he had more vision and more capacity to pull such a feat than pretty much anyone in Europe at the time did.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 21:21:51 No.6571637
why do people think saying "go back to /pol/" is a dismissal of their arguments. it's not. it's helpful and informative and it helps make /lit/ better if the people who belong on /pol/ go back to /pol/. based on this thread about half of /lit/ needs to go back to /pol/.

>>6571377
if you can't figure it out I have a board for you to go to where they might be able to help you

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 21:26:31 No.6571661
>>6568181
/pol/ is right about some things, like the jewish conspiracy

>Also they can't into Marx.

well you clearly can't too

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 21:29:10 No.6571676
>>6571637

Why are you so eager to enforce groupthink? Do you not realize how damaging that is to discourse? In fact it's antithetical to it.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 21:30:34 No.6571687
>>6571676
based on what I've posted which one of these do you think I care more about
1. whether or not I'm enforcing groupthink
2. whether or not you go back to /pol/

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 21:31:08 No.6571690
>>6571368
yes

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:01:36 No.6571829
>>6571687
>no mommy, don't take away my echo chamber!

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:13:52 No.6571901
>>6571115
I'm a racist and I despise it. What now?

>>6570623
It basically our meymey insult. People who are too soft and too liberal are automatically cucks. Which is quite often true.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:19:28 No.6571935
>>6571901

Top kek. I knew the guy was a retarded fuck based on his Guardian articles and this is just icing on the cake. A truly worthless specimen.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:20:11 No.6571940
>>6571829
if "echo chamber" means I don't have to read shit about Charles Murray, Mencius Moldbug, and Austrian economics, then yes god bless this echo chamber.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:21:17 No.6571946
>>6571940
Only seeing/hearing things you approve of is the general idea of an echo chamber. So while you defined it negatively, yes that is an echo chamber.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:22:46 No.6571951
>>6570904
Because black people are typically poor and live in urban areas

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:25:46 No.6571964
>>6571951
There is some data to indicate that black children adopted by more affluent households do still perform worse than their counterparts. IIRC it's attributed to the stress of growing up in an adopted family, though.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:27:10 No.6571968
>>6571951

Studies control for stuff like that, the people doing these studies are not imbeciles.

The biggest variable they can't control is black and white people being treated differently in a given society. The effect of this variable is unknown.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:27:47 No.6571970
>>6571946
good, now go back to /pol/

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:29:03 No.6571973
>>6571946
On one hand, yes, on the other, no, you are just spreading your vile ideology under the noble aegis of free speech.

>>6571968
>The biggest variable they can't control is black and white people being treated differently in a given society. The effect of this variable is unknown.
Unknown in the sense that it's not quantifiable, but it's obviously very significant.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:30:09 No.6571979
>>6571970
gb2reddit

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:31:21 No.6571984
>>6571973

>but it's obviously very significant.

I see no reason to assume that.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:32:52 No.6571987
>>6571984
Then you must live in a bubble.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:33:32 No.6571991
Mary Wollstone Craft for basic women's rights
Frederick Douglass for basic minority rights
Malcolm X's autobiography for 20th century black rights
I don't know of good books for basic anti-/pol/ LGBT stuff, any recommendations would be appreciato

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:33:58 No.6571994
>>6571987
And you must not know of the null hypothesis

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:36:14 No.6572002
>>6571994
Society is not hard maths

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:38:48 No.6572008
>>6571940
/pol/ is the biggest echo chamber on this entire site

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:44:25 No.6572029
>>6571991
maybe read some updated feminist literature if you're interested. dear sisters is a great compilation of a lot of second wave feminist material.
some recs for queer lit:
stone butch blues by leslie feinberg
dykes to watch out for by alison bechdel, or fun home (these are comics)
the bostonians by henry james (also has discussions of feminism with a dude who's basically a nineteenth century MRA)

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:45:26 No.6572032
>>6572002
We're neither talking about society nor hard maths, we're talking about a faulty hypothesis.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:45:40 No.6572033
>>6571348
you don't have to call me names. i disagree on ellison, i think the novel is a very good portrayal of racism. i picked dickens because he gets into the nitty gritty of poverty and was concerned with social discussion.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:47:14 No.6572039
>>6571987

You assume it's "very significant" because it fits your politics.

You simply have no clue whether it affects IQ scores at all, let alone how significantly.

"It probably has some effect" would be the only reasonable assumption to make here.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:54:12 No.6572068
>>6572032
You brought up a rule of statistics as if it means something when talking about social processes that are visible to all people that live in the world around them.

>>6572039
Or maybe my politics have formed around what is evident from simple observation. Dude you can say that "it probably has some effect" is more clinically correct, but you have to be either braindead or extremely sheltered to not be able to realise to some degree the magnitude of the impact. Much like when a really powerful earthquake happens, you may not know what the exact magnitude of the earthquake was without tools that quantify it, but at the same time, you do not need those tools to be able to distinguish between a small tremor and a major quake. You simply do not need to be able to quantify everything to be able to derive some kind of conclusion about it from casual observation.

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Anonymous 2015-05-21 22:57:57 No.6572083
>>6572068
>In inferential statistics on observational data, the null hypothesis refers to a general statement or default position that there is no relationship between two measured phenomena
In what way is that not relevant given what we're discussing? If you can give a reasoned account why, then I will concede to you. Otherwise you're just trying to hide behind statistics being a form of math, despite statistical analysis being part and parcel to any scientific analysis.







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