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Anonymous 2013-09-11 04:31:24 No.4104276

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Thoughts on the series? I've heard some people refer to it as 'plebeian'. but why? Is it because it's popular, or are the books themselves bad?


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Anonymous 2013-09-11 06:27:23 No.4104584
never read them, idk

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 10:20:40 No.4104873
I couldnt tell you why but before the shitstorm starts ill tell you how i feel.

Its awesome. Definitely check it out if you're interested. Dont let an anonymous board influence your opinion. Try for yourself. :)

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 10:31:39 No.4104887
muh prose

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 10:31:50 No.4104889
well it's not literature, by the generally understood but not particularly well defined meaning of the word

however, that's irrelevant, because it's a great series that gave epic fantasy a much needed kick up the arse

it's a visceral, ugly, brutal slice of pseudo medieval fantasy full of scheming evil bastards and bitches and for that breath of foul air alone it is a great read

it's dragged on too long now and the later books are increasingly padded, but it is well worth a read and thoroughly enjoyable

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 10:34:24 No.4104894
>>4104276
kill yourself

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 10:36:29 No.4104898
Can we not become /tv/?

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 11:58:50 No.4105009
1: 7/10
2: 8/10
3a: 8/10
3b: 9/10
4: 4/10
5a: 4/10
5b 5/10

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 12:00:34 No.4105014
What's a good stand alone fantasy novel?

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 12:25:44 No.4105053
>>4105014
lord of the rings comes to mind

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 12:26:58 No.4105056
>>4104276
The prose is turribad

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 12:35:31 No.4105074
>>4105014

Monument by Ian Graham

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 12:42:17 No.4105078
>>4104276
My mother reads them and she's a plebeian.

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 12:44:15 No.4105081
i read the first book

dragons breastfeeding? wtf george rr martin

why didnt they keep that in the tv show?

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 12:48:51 No.4105084
>>4105014
Anything from Heitz.

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 16:26:38 No.4105509
I've been driving around a lot so I've listened to them. They seem overly long with lots of descriptions of stuff that has no bearing on the story or even the characters. It's the worldbuilding that people cream themselves over.

Stick to the TV series, it cuts out most of the crap.

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 22:54:48 No.4106240
First three were awesome.

books 3 and 5.....not so much.

Martin better pull some seriously epic shit out of his ass for books 6 and 7 if he wants to salvage this clusterfuck of a series.

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 23:02:35 No.4106266
>>4106240

After the final chapters of book 5, book 6 is epic shit waiting to burst out of his ass like bad diarrhea

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 23:38:22 No.4106327
>>4105014
Steve Erikison's The Malazan Book of The Fallen series is one of my favorites of all time

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 00:16:26 No.4106389
>>4105014
Does Dune qualify as fantasy?

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 00:18:14 No.4106390
>>4106389
dune a shit

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Thread 2013-09-12 00:32:47 No.4106426
>>4106240
>the first three were awesome, except for the third.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 00:39:50 No.4106433
>>4104276

Try reading them for yourself. I really dislike the series, but there's a lot of people who think they're great.

Personally, I find the prose boring, like others have said. There's no style. The development that's there is bland, and there's a lot of telling instead of showing.

I've got enough problems with the world and setting that I could write a thesis on how and what I dislike about them.

But go ahead and give them a shot. They might be right up your alley.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 00:41:06 No.4106437
i love them
except for the last one, i was promissed more of the characters that didnt appear in a feast of crows but instead of davos and stannis all i got was whore queen.
reading about sam and theon was great also rading about evrything that happened at the iron island made me give a shit about asha

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 00:47:45 No.4106447
>>4106433
The development that's there is bland
Theon, stannis and tyrion whant a word with you

Seriously there are some horribly written characters like daenerys but there is a reason why she is like she is, it allows the other characters plots to develop better so i can of look the other way when the gigant chapters come.
also cersei has some redeeming moments

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 08:42:52 No.4107424
>>4106447
apologists gonna apologise

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 08:44:19 No.4107426
It just seems to me like the people are fighting and bickering about petty shit. They have no higher ideals to strive for.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 08:51:07 No.4107430
>>4104276
I, myself consider the first 3 books a masterpiece, but then the series turned into some sort of Santa-Barbara, but i will still read it to the end, since i want to know what happens next. A good quality, yet not exceptional fantasy.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 08:53:55 No.4107434
>>4106327

>standalone

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 09:00:37 No.4107443
>>4107426
They're fighting over the fate of Westeros. I would hardly call that petty.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 09:10:10 No.4107454

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>>4104873
>>4104873
:)

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 09:10:30 No.4107455
>>4104276
It is because we have a lot of persons that thinks that they will get cultural capital for reading Joyce. And boom comes Martin and is totally based.

Because there's two kinds of people. Those who are easy to get angry and those who seldom gets angry.

Some of those who seldom gets angry are stalinists and heirs to weekly magazine empires - they *know* that they are right. Some of those who are easy to get angry are golf players and supporters of progressive teaching fads - they are tormenting themselves with for them something highly unnatural, in the hope of it will pay off somehow. There's also large helpings of despair, becasue if you're only trying to fit in, what happens when the in-crowd changes tastes?

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 10:20:30 No.4107498
>>4107454
the image made me smile, the comment too
that was pretty witty for a snide pseudo-intellectual

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 10:37:11 No.4107521
>>4104276
I like them, but then again, I don't take it (or books in general now that I think about it) too seriously. But this series I simply read for entertainment.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 10:56:08 No.4107549

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GRRM is the best.

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Anon 2013-09-12 11:47:35 No.4107597
>>4104276
Because it's not literature. It has high entertainment value, with it's story and some of the characters, yet it is not well written.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 12:26:17 No.4107637
>>4107426
PRETENTIOUS CUNT

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 13:24:16 No.4107719
>>4104276
I can't stand it, because I don't give a shit about rich powerful white people struggling for more powah and influence. I'm a history student and I already got my Medicis or Habsburgs if I want to read about that. Anyone else, however, should by all means read it if it brings them pleasure. Just don't talk about it as if was the pinnacle of Western literature, okay?

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 13:34:01 No.4107734
>>4107719
> Just don't talk about it as if was the pinnacle of Western literature, okay?

Nobody does that you twatface.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 13:35:38 No.4107735
>>4107597
>immense story telling
>interesting characters
>highly entertaining
>not well written
>not literature

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 13:36:11 No.4107736
>>4104276
4chan users call things plebeian because they like to feel euphoric.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 13:36:17 No.4107737
>>4107549
hehehe

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 13:37:52 No.4107740

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>>4104889
>not litetature
??

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 13:40:08 No.4107744

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>>4107734
the world is a better place than I expected

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 13:45:09 No.4107756
It's an excellent series as far as fantasy goes.

Many interesting characters and personalities to study.

And GRRM's ability to juggle all the thousand interwoven plot threads while making sense of the logistics and staying true to the realism is pretty amazing.

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Anon 2013-09-12 16:11:01 No.4107992
>>4107735
High entertainment value =/= literature.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 16:13:09 No.4107997
>>4107992
keep focusing on what you want

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Anon 2013-09-12 17:38:35 No.4108126
>>4107997
I'm just saying that not everything that is written deserves to be called literature.

That immense storytelling you talk about? Nope, it isn't there. I said that the story and characters provide for high entertainment value. I never said that either storytelling or characters were something special.

Characters are in fact just typical jungian personality types, and story is just about China during Zhanguo period.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 17:40:58 No.4108129
>>4108126
>I'm just saying that not everything that is written deserves to be called literature.
That's too bad because it's the very definition of literature.

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Anon 2013-09-12 18:10:07 No.4108180
>>4108129
So you're telling me, that what you just wrote is a piece of literature, and that you're suddenly a "published" author?

Literature - imaginative or creative writing, especially of recognized artistic value ...

Now find me artistic value in GRRM. There's only entertainment, no high art.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 18:30:27 No.4108199
>>4108180
what does literature has to do with publication?
literature is written work, that's it

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 18:38:50 No.4108208
>>4108126
>>4108180
Faggy faggs exercising their taste.

Way back in the days, you was someone if you could read. And when most could read, you was someone if you had books. Now when almost everyone has books, a new definition must be made. Enter taste, knighting Joyce to someone:

>Get a light snack in Davy Byrne’s. Stopgap. Keep me going. Had a good breakfast.

>—Roast and mashed here.

>—Pint of stout.

>Every fellow for his own, tooth and nail. Gulp. Grub. Gulp. Gobstuff.

>He came out into clearer air and turned back towards Grafton street. Eat or be eaten. Kill! Kill!

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Anonymous 2013-09-13 01:13:00 No.4109027
>>4108180
How do you define art while not taking into account its entertainment value? Especially 'high' art? By how much YOU like it? That's your opinion. Can something be art without entertaining? Etc.

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Anonymous 2013-09-13 01:20:06 No.4109057
>>4104276

Stop reading after book 3 and they're fine.

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Anonymous 2013-09-13 01:44:51 No.4109122
>>4104276

Good stuff. I still need to finish the first book (I have like 200 pages left) but I'm loving it.

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Anonymous 2013-09-13 02:07:26 No.4109191
>>4106389
Dune is science fiction.
>>4106390
>plebtaste.gif

>>4106327
Erikson has some of the best worldbuilding on the market... but his writing is fucking boring. Too many of his characters share the exact same personality and opinions.

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Anonymous 2013-09-13 02:27:56 No.4109265
>>4105509
The TV show cuts out a lot of the good stuff and replaces it with unnecessary TV fluff crap so no.

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Anon 2013-09-13 07:31:40 No.4109882
>>4108208
That's exactly what I'm saying, not everything that is written is literature.

>>4109027
In fact I actually kinda like the series, but purely from entertainment point of view, I dislike the writing style.

Yes, art can be not entertaining, it can be depressive, if I'm allowed to use the polar opposite.

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Anonymous 2013-09-13 07:41:23 No.4109900
>>4105014
To give you some real answers to this question...

Lud-in-the-Mist - Hope Mirlees
A Voyage to Arcturus - David Lindsay
The Blessing of Pan - Lord Dunsany
Phantastes - George MacDonald.

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Anonymous 2013-09-13 07:45:33 No.4109907
>>4105014
Little, Big by John Crowley.

Also James Blaylock, Tim Powers, any Lafferty, pretty much any late-period Wolfe, and what
>>4109900
said except I'm not crazy about Voyage to Arcturus.







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