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Anonymous 2013-09-10 15:18:41 No.4102231

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Would Max Stirner be overjoyed with the feminists and LGBT movement of today or would he cringe at the identity politics?


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Anonymous 2013-09-10 15:24:15 No.4102240
>wahh feminazis and fags are ruining the world
>wut about muh straight white male identity

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 16:04:33 No.4102316
>>4102240
>hurrrrrrrr muh angry white male durrrrrrrrrrrrr
Do you realize how pathetic you sound?

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 16:08:15 No.4102322
>>4102316
being an angry white male on 4chan is undoubtedly more pathetic, at least LGBT people are born marginalized
Stirner's work influenced early feminists, at least, so maybe

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 16:12:49 No.4102329
>>4102322
...you don't get it, do you? Screaming "angry white male" like a retard serves fewer purposes than to terminate the discussion.

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 16:19:49 No.4102341
>>4102322
>angry white male
>at least LGBT people are born marginalized

HAHAHA
do you have a straight face when you type this shit?

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God's Genes 2013-09-10 16:21:24 No.4102345
>>4102231

From what I've read of Stirner, I think he'd cringe at identity politics because its advocates tend to conceive of themselves in terms of how many minority groups they belong to, rather than existing as creative nothings.

There are some out there that pursue the Foucauldian project of inventing new ways of being, but they seem few and far between the pre-fab LGBBQ crowd, to me.

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 16:24:23 No.4102352
>>4102341
yea bro, it's like the only safe place I have is the internet, I can't even walk down the street without being harassed for my delicate lily-white skin
I still remember when my parents kicked me out for being a straight white male, shit hurts

>>4102329
I wasn't the one who said it but "identity politics" is a loaded term itself

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 16:25:17 No.4102355
>>4102345
>advocates tend to conceive of themselves in terms of how many minority groups they belong to
nope.

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 16:26:02 No.4102360
>>4102352
>yea bro, it's like the only safe place I have is the internet, I can't even walk down the street without being harassed for my delicate lily-white skin
>I still remember when my parents kicked me out for being a straight white male, shit hurts
hahahaha oh my god
so how is your undergrad work going?

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 16:28:01 No.4102364
>>4102316
>but muh non-essentialisms. I am a special white snowflake. racism and homophiba dunn exist ergo identity politics are useless other than for tumblrnazis and otherkins

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 16:33:19 No.4102375
Identity politics were created by the CIA to distract from real issues like class struggle, and to divide the left into neat little demographics well-intregrated into the capitalist process.

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 16:49:27 No.4102430
>>4102364
Here's a hint.

I'm Pakistani. U mad?

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 16:50:46 No.4102435

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>>4102231
Stirner would be overjoyed with women and fags and what not doing as they want, not letting themselves be limited by the values of the surrounding society.

Then he would be disappointed to see this act of liberation evolve into a new system with a new ideology and a movement. He would mock them like he mocked the humanists, since after freeing themselves from God they happily chain themselves to Humanity.

Once you submit yourself to a movement and the cause of an -ism, you're trapped again. Once you start to identify yourself with identity politics, you lose your identity. You're a servant again. Suck dicks, but don't be a dicksuckist.

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 17:00:07 No.4102456
>>4102364
You know that non-whites think that you are even more pathetic than your fellow whites do, right?

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 17:03:44 No.4102465
Cringe at their identity politics, since Stirnerian egoism is about the unique individual rather than a universalized queer or woman identity.

His critique of humanism can be read as a critique of identity politics.

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 17:04:08 No.4102467
>>4102375

This, except it probably wasn't the CIA.

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 17:06:22 No.4102475
>>4102360
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/lgbt/news/2010/06/21/7980/gay-and-transgender-youth-homelessness-by-the-numbers/
you can just be a fag and say they deserve it or something I guess

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God's Genes 2013-09-10 17:17:50 No.4102505
>>4102430

Depends. My clock says it's 6:20 pm in London. What are you doing on 4chan?

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 17:30:38 No.4102534
>>4102475
i can't even discern what point you're trying to make here

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 17:31:31 No.4102536
>>4102467
got your tin foil hats, kiddos?

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 17:32:05 No.4102538
>>4102505
Pakistanis don't live in America?

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 17:36:18 No.4102550
>>4102467
Yeah the capital minds itself and tends to its own wounds better than some CIA tub ever could, and vanity politics will go a long way in sating peoples desire for capital catering

plus CIA tends to oppress directly national threats rather than promote identity for people in the system (see those crazy fake Black Panther newspapers)

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 17:47:04 No.4102579

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>>4102550
That was the FBI, not the CIA.

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 17:50:16 No.4102586
>>4102534
claiming a lack of understanding is itself a position of privilege

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 17:53:13 No.4102593

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>>4102322
>LGBT people are born marginalized

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 17:53:41 No.4102595
>>4102586

i-is this satire? I honestly can't tell anymore.

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 18:26:57 No.4102672
>>4102435
>don't be a dicksuckist
words to live by

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Anonymous 2013-09-10 21:49:53 No.4103246
>>4102595
Does it really matter? There's people who actually think that it's a privilege to not be handicapped.

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 02:01:13 No.4103867
>>4102538
pakis live in shit

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 02:06:43 No.4103872
>>4103246
the privilege thing is just a check to make sure you don't say insensitive shit to people who can't really help the way they are

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 02:10:00 No.4103881
>>4103872
if that were the case, derogatory size queens wouldn't be celebrated.

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 02:10:50 No.4103885
>>4103881
they're not really celebrated by society at all

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 02:11:43 No.4103888

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>>4103867
Pic related, it's northern Pakistan

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 02:11:50 No.4103889
>>4103881
also i have no idea how that relates to what i said

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 04:00:08 No.4104157
>>4103888
What breathtaking scenery!

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 04:50:18 No.4104341
>>4102240
>>4102364
>trying to belittle ones argument through extreme exaggeration while claiming absolute victory in your beliefs for which you have yet to explain (but I'm sure it's all just "so obvious" that no explanation is needed), all wraped in an emotionalized tumblr like rhetoric.

minority gay here. Go fuck yourself.

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 04:58:34 No.4104375

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>>4104341
>minority gay here

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 13:11:44 No.4105115
>>4104341
all dat self loathing faggotry

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Anonymous 2013-09-11 13:23:15 No.4105138
Stirner is someone I've never read about, never mind reading his books.
If his writing is accessible (not-hegel) what books should I read if I want to get introduced to his ideas?

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 08:58:47 No.4107440

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>>4103872
No, it's a debased version of calvinist thinking. If I happen to meet a person confined to a wheelchair I know that walking and running is not an option for that person and just not mention the issue.

But still, being able to walk is not a privilege.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 09:43:01 No.4107476
>>4102586
>straight people are privileged because there are disproportionately more homeless fags than straight people
>men are privileged even though there are disproportionately more homeless men than women
Feminism today is the world's most privileged demographic feeling immense self-pity and men humoring them because they want sex.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 09:45:53 No.4107477
>>4105138
The Ego and Its Own and then Stirner's Critics.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 09:57:54 No.4107485
>>4102435
This is the answer i have been searching for all my life

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 10:23:28 No.4107502
>>4102240
>wut about muh straight white male identity

That's the thing though. Straight white males don't have the straight white male identity. Straight white males are free to have any identity they please - husband, father, statesman, doctor, countryman, soldier, musician, mathematician, lover, poet, orator, priest, etc.
Straight white males don't have the straight white male identity, it's non-(straight white males) that view them as that.
It's gays (not all of them) that form their identity on being gay.
It's women (not all of them, mainly feminists) that form their identity on being women.
It's black (not all of them) that form their identity on being blacks.

Straight white males are free to have a positive identity. I guess that's what all the non-(straight white male)s are calling "privilege", but you know what? You don't gain anything by robbing us of that privilege. All you are doing is spiting us. You don't become any less fanatical and discontent by trying to spread fanaticism and discontent among straight white males.

Stop being envious little shits and grow up.

Like Themistocles said to some Persian or other non-Greek nationality, when he said, "you wouldn't be famous if you hadn't been born a Greek", Themistocles replied, "yes, but if you had been born a Greek and I born a Persian, then neither of us would have achieved fame".

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 10:26:08 No.4107506
>>4102435
This is more or less why Stirner's philosophy is absolute nonsense.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 10:26:42 No.4107507
Feminist and LGBT is maximum overspook.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 10:45:15 No.4107531
>>4107477
Thanks.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 12:26:41 No.4107639
>>4107502
>Straight white males don't have the straight white male identity.
ah to be this oblivious and stupid. just because something is normative doesn't mean it doesn't exist you stupid cracka

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God's Genes 2013-09-12 12:45:57 No.4107660
>>4107502

10/10.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 12:46:13 No.4107661
>>4102352
This guy is hilarious.

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AnalCrust 2013-09-12 13:58:44 No.4107769
>>4107506
Eh... Care to explain why? It looks pretty obvious to me, and I'm not exactly a genius.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 14:35:27 No.4107816
Anyone else G and wish T would fuck off and manage its own shit?

Wtf does sexuality have to do with gender identification and mental disorders? If you even imply transgenderism is inherently related to homosexuality, they yell at you that it's a totally separate thing.

Plus they're fucking insane and have turned the movement into even more of a feminist lesbian orgyporgy.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 14:40:45 No.4107825
>>4107502
but no one is trying to "rob you" of your privilege. Feminists and the like just simply don't want privilege to exist.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 14:44:34 No.4107831
>>4107825
So the levelling of European man?

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MrThrills 2013-09-12 15:26:44 No.4107893
>>4102231
I think he would be mortified at how both movements have become sweeping paradigms that coerce MULTIPLE minority groups to submit to SINGLE ideologies, and how these movements have become consumer products through pop culture and for-profit magazines (see: Gawker).

Fortunately, we are entering/have entered the age of post-globalism, where demographics all across the board have been beaten into the ground through massive economic disparity. And when everyone is united by weariness at the price of bread and rent, identity politics start tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down...

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 16:10:02 No.4107991
>>4107506
Why?

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 16:12:06 No.4107995
>>4107825
>they're not trying to take away your car, they want to destroy all cars in the world

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 16:16:41 No.4108005
>>4107995
privilege doesn't really provide anything valuable though. why shouldn't it be dismantled when it's a direct byproduct of institutional oppression?

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 16:21:32 No.4108019
>>4107995
your usage of car presupposes
1. a car is commodity that has to be acquired with money or through criminal activity
2. if the car is acquired with money then that presupposes a non-criminal activity that would allow you to earn the money required to buy the car, that being a job
3. a job implies a form of work, which is one of the foundational values of a consumerist society (aside from, you know, consumption)
5. possessive pronoun implies a sense of belonging, something thought to be unique to an individual. that implies that the value of work settles the moral ground for being able to differentiate from the masses by the means of economical power.
6. the distribution of capital tends to be arbitrary and unequal, so by legitimizing the importance of economical power you're legitimizing the system of distribution, and thus the de facto establishment.
7. therefore, you imply that a commodity is an "everyday need" (whereas it has been marketed as a everyday need and has forced to create conditions which seem to justify this posture bt transforming the urban space or the dynamics of the work places) and questioning that idea means a violent attack on the structure of everyday life.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 16:21:58 No.4108020

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>>4107476
>Feminism today is the world's most privileged demographic feeling immense self-pity and men humoring them because they want sex.
>>>/reddit/

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AnalCrust 2013-09-12 17:20:13 No.4108106
>>4107893
>sweeping paradigms that coerce MULTIPLE minority groups to submit to SINGLE ideologies
This is the main problem one can find in our society from a moral egoist perspective. All our contemporary leftish ideologies seem to be born from what was a spontaneous movement of recognition (in hegelian terms) towards the differences between different parts of our society, but ended up decaying into the same unifying tendency we can find in the general ideology of the society they started standing against to.

>And when everyone is united by weariness at the price of bread and rent
Well, this somehow seems to imply some kind of class conscience... I'd say you are overestimating "everyone" as a whole.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 17:29:40 No.4108117
>>4102231
Max Stirner wouldn't feel joy because it is a spook.

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Anonymous 2013-09-12 17:59:41 No.4108158
>>4108020
Ok, it was hyperbole, I admit, but I felt it had to be said, because feminists say shit like that all the time and go completely unchallenged.

The point is that statistically, there are at least as many ways in which you can describe woman as having it better than men as you can describe men as having it better than women, but this seems to be almost an irrelevant to feminism's notion of privilege and gender. Or if you point it out to them they'll just claim that ever disparity that affects men is the product of "the patriarchy" (even though they never would discuss these issues if not prompted by people who disagree with them), and so the only logical choice is to support them regardless.

The fact that feminism can make a point of talking about "violence against women" as a serious issue that needs to be addressed in a culture where men are 6 times more likely to be murdered than women ought to tell you something. Imagine if there was a movement devoted to fighting "poverty against whites" that was treated with the utmost respect in social discourse, because that's the racial equivalent of what feminism is doing.

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Anonymous 2013-09-13 03:23:44 No.4109499
>nihilist egoist personal anarchist who advocates breaking the law and whatever sort of social morality you want when you can get away with it
>giving a shit about feminism or lack thereof

Pick one

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Anonymous 2013-09-13 12:14:52 No.4110191
>>4109499
>overly simplified view of Stirner
>having read him

Pick one

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Anonymous 2013-09-13 12:19:37 No.4110200
>>4108158
>The point is that statistically, there are at least as many ways in which you can describe woman as having it better than men as you can describe men as having it better than women
list ten of each

Why do you think men are murdered? What is it about their maleness that causes this disparity? Who murders them?

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Anonymous 2013-09-13 12:25:34 No.4110208
>>4108158
>feminism can make a point of talking about "violence against women" as a serious issue that needs to be addressed in a culture where men are 6 times more likely to be murdered than women ought to tell you something
The point is made because women are murdered for being women, whereas men are murdered for various reasons. It's different, and pointing the statistics out without giving any context is misleading.

And the fact that you think feminist circles don't discuss the many cases in which men have it worse makes me think that you're just observing from afar.

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Anonymous 2013-09-13 12:36:29 No.4110225
>>4107440
>But still, being able to walk is not a privilege.
What do you call having access to places that aren't wheelchair-accessible? You seem to have internalized some notion that privileges are inherently bad.







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