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Anonymous 2015-12-05 15:34:56 No.7424491

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You have 1 minute to refute hedonism.


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Anonymous 2015-12-05 15:36:02 No.7424495
Nah, I have better things to do than gratify you.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 15:36:04 No.7424496
your mom

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 15:38:26 No.7424507
All great men and women were made by suffering, not pleasure.

Also putting your faith in something as unstable and fleeting as pleasure pleasure is unwise

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 15:39:04 No.7424510
>>7424491
empathy.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 15:40:57 No.7424518
>>7424507
>implying greatness isn't an arbitrary phrase without inherent value whatsoever

great post

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 15:41:58 No.7424524
>>7424510
Why do you think hedonism and empathy are somehow at odds? Having empathy just means that it pleases you to please others as well, which is an everyone wins type of thing and an argument in favour of hedonism if anything.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 15:42:59 No.7424527
>>7424491
It's reddit tier.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 15:43:48 No.7424529
>>7424524
when hedonism for me is the rape and destruction of all, and slathering myself in honeyed urine freshly squeezed from toddler virgin girls, then empathy is definitely at odds with hedonism.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 15:54:39 No.7424569
>>7424529
You can still do all that and experience empathy. Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't a sociopath, he was just a wildly kinky fuck, and he felt extreme guilt for every person he killed.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 15:57:57 No.7424584
>>7424495

crying/10

>>7424496
child/10

>>7424507
retard/10

>>7424510
retard/10

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 16:03:11 No.7424593
Boring.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 16:08:20 No.7424612
Long term happiness > Short term gratification

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 16:10:16 No.7424618
>>7424612
never read an explicit articulation of hedonism /10

>>7424593
crying/10

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 16:11:16 No.7424620
>>7424507
>greatness

>implying this means anything

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 16:13:54 No.7424631
>>7424491
It's easy to build up a tolerance and/or get bored.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 16:15:01 No.7424633
>>7424631
being bad at something is not a refutation of said thing/10

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 16:21:00 No.7424645
>>7424618
explicitly articulate hedonism then

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 16:23:01 No.7424652
There's no particular reason to equate pleasure with the good, and even if you're to accept that aesthetics = ethics there's nothing that makes aesthetic pleasure better than aesthetic pain.
>>7424645
>wanting to be spoonfed
Christ, if you can't even go in for the SEP then just kill yourself

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 16:31:01 No.7424681
https://youtu.be/KnHJR9auE3o

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 16:37:15 No.7424704
>>7424491
lassitude

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 16:43:41 No.7424717
>>7424645
why did you come into a thread about refuting hedonism and attempted to do so if you had no acquaintance with it at all/10

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 16:45:35 No.7424723
>>7424652
>>7424717
so will you define it or not

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 17:04:18 No.7424774
>>7424491
without restraint we will destroy ourselves. if that's not a good enough reason then you're hiding behind logic games instead of facing the responsibility of life and decency.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 17:49:25 No.7424930
It can be self defeating, because knowing that pleasure is the object of all striving can weaken immersion in the striving.
Pleasure being good and pain being bad is mostly a useless tautology.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 17:53:08 No.7424949
I find comfort in pain

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 17:55:54 No.7424959
since I've never had sex it would be ridiculous for me to espouse hedonism

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 17:57:19 No.7424969
>>7424774
ideology/10

ps: if you have no interest in philosophy dont post in philosophy threads

>>7424930
line 1 not thorough enough/10

line 2 utility isn't a real thing/10

>>7424949
that's still pleasure/10

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:04:18 No.7425007
>>7424969
ideology/10

you're a hack

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:07:40 No.7425022
>>7425007
still better than you/10

>>7424959
hypocrisy isn't bad i hadn't considered it but still pretty weak/10

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:07:48 No.7425024

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:09:14 No.7425033
Hedonism is a life free of denial, which leads to excess. To fully support excess that could be considered hedonism, it requires large amounts of money to remain on good terms with the law. That means you either, in some way, control others as a method for making money to satisfy yourself, or you sayisfy yourself at the expense of others, raping and killing and stealing, becoming a wellspring of negative influence which pushes the world further and further away from a state of justice. Everything may be right with and in you, but it upsets balance in and with others. In essence, no matter how you choose to do it, hedonism compels you to injustice

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:10:21 No.7425038
Morality

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:11:44 No.7425039
>>7425038
Dank one, homeboy

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:12:33 No.7425043
>>7425033
>To fully support excess that could be considered hedonism, it requires large amounts of money to remain on good terms with the law

stopped reading right there/10

only people who know what they're talking about need apply

>>7425024
sneaky aquinas/10

it's a sad day on /lit/ when a shitty meme has more valid points than anon

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:13:07 No.7425045
>>7424491
>refute hedonism
Hedonism is the default state of consciousness. Ideology, morality and anything else are mere spooks. The burden of proof is on the opposition to the natural.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:14:40 No.7425047
>>7425045
agreement isn't refuting/10

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:19:50 No.7425067
>>7424959
heh, clever

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:20:51 No.7425073
>>7425045
The default state is discomfort

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:21:41 No.7425076
>>7424969
i have an interest in the philosophy of decency.

it absolutely is ideology, what's wrong with that? it's better than being a dick.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:22:12 No.7425078
>>7425045
using max to justify your hedonism is weak af

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:25:12 No.7425089
>>7425076
thinking you're explicitly acceptant of ideology/10

underage b&

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:37:37 No.7425129
>>7424495

oh snap

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:46:27 No.7425175
>>7425073
The default state is discomfort which we are compelled to resolve. That is indulgence in hedonism. Anything else is spooky.

>>7425078
Stirner's conclusion is the very definition of hedonism. The pursuit of the will above all else.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:48:20 No.7425183
>>7424569
.................................................................

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 18:53:31 No.7425202
>>7425183
yeah, he doesnt take into account the possibility that empathy doesnt apply if i don't take pleasure in empathy, and is thus at odds. n' shit.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 19:20:41 No.7425308
The only way to be happy is to love

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 19:59:19 No.7425469
>>7424529
No it's not, since as a psychopath you have no empathy to be at odds with it.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 20:02:16 No.7425485
>>7425469
i'm saying that to a philosophy where empathy is important, it would be at odds with hedonism of that brand. besides, all i'm saying is that any way of life devoid of empathy is worthless drek.

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Skyrski 2015-12-05 20:13:07 No.7425532
The pursuit of happiness cannot be refuted through pure reason. This can only be attempted in conjunction with observation of the consequences of hedonism in practice can we refute hedonism as a philosophy that leads to nowhere and is both destructive to the community as well as to the individual.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 20:16:06 No.7425548
>>7425485
For most people having empathy and being a hedonist go together great though. So the existence of empathy in no way refutes hedonism.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 20:18:32 No.7425561
>>7425308
$ > <3

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 20:20:11 No.7425568
>>7425561
>this is what poor people actually believe

swallowed capitalist virtues hook line and sinker didntcha buddy

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 21:20:45 No.7425779
>Hedonist pleb
Nihilism is where It's at.
Enjoy your constant hunt for dopamine, while I feel fulfilled by anything.

On a more serious note, pleasure-seeking is a part of our nature but you can break free from it, It's an odd state of being. It's a indescribable freedom, where literally anything is 'the best option'.

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 21:38:01 No.7425827
>>7425779
>he thinks hedonism equates pleasure with dopamine
jesus, why do people even bother posting if they have no idea what they're arguing

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Anonymous 2015-12-05 21:48:12 No.7425868
>>7425779

So complete apathy is indescribable freedom?

And sorry, I am simply never going to believe you've transcended pleasure-seeking. Believing yourself to be literally Buddha is delusional to the point of ridiculousness.







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