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Anonymous 2013-04-17 20:12:20 No.3667053

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why do people say that "reading is writing?" Is there an arche-reading which inverts and displaces the reading/writing binary?


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Anonymous 2013-04-17 20:49:40 No.3667251
>>3667053
It's a reference to the problem of hermeneutics.

If you aren't familiar with the term, it means the problem of how we read and understand texts. (and in a broader sense, all things can be 'texts' to the extent that our engagement with them requires our ability to 'read' the situation/thing- the subject of much of Hegel's Phenomenology) For subjective empiricists like Schleiermacher, it comes down to a question of understanding or not understanding. It's all tied in with the problem of ultimate meaning (or lack thereof).

The quote is from the French philosopher Derrida. Much of his philosophy deals with the idea of the simulacra, or the copy without an original. To give a simplistic/short version - everything is its own original. When you are reading (/understanding) a text, you are bringing your own experience and point of view at that moment to the text. This can never be identical to that of the original author, even if the original author is you. Because each time you read a text, you must give it meaning - 'write' it - anew.

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Anonymous 2013-04-17 20:55:07 No.3667272
>>3667251
thats pretty interesting

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Anonymous 2013-04-17 21:00:53 No.3667293

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>>3667251
Thanks, this makes sense. Very helpful.

And writing a text would be reading another text?

And when people "read truths off reality" they are writing/inventing reality...? I guess this ties in with Kant.

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Anonymous 2013-04-17 21:05:34 No.3667307
>>3667251
I love these ideas, although they came up in a discussion with some friends and he just said "yeah, i know", saying that it's a pretty basic concept :(

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Anonymous 2013-04-17 21:10:34 No.3667324
>>3667293
Writing a text means writing a writing of a text, reading a text means reading a reading of a text

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Anonymous 2013-04-17 21:17:17 No.3667343
>>3667293
Yes, it very much ties in to Kant. The German Idealists (Fichte, Schelling, Hegel, etc) were responding to and refining the Kantian system, at least ostensibly. The later philosophers (existentialists, et al) then have this as their intellectual background when they begin developing their ideas.

For an accessible and yet useful introduction to the basic hermeneutical trends in philosophy/theology, I would suggest "A Short Introduction to Hermeneutics" by Davis Jasper.

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Anonymous 2013-04-17 21:26:40 No.3667376
>>3667307
It's relative. To the average person, it's probably not. To someone who is educated in philosophy, literary criticism, etc, the most general ideas about hermeneutics are indeed pretty basic. (Especially Derrida, who most literary and/or linguistic types read as undergrads)

Where it gets more complicated is in the nuances between individual systems. For example, most people who don't study philosophy don't understand much of Hegel's system and how it differs from that of someone like Schleiemacher. If you want to read something more advanced that deals with a lot of these issues in the context of German Idealism, I would suggest Reading Hegel's Phenomenology by Russon. (I do NOT suggest jumping right into Hegel on your own)

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Anonymous 2013-04-17 21:32:30 No.3667399

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>>3667324
haha yes I'm probably "reading" too much into the question

>>3667343
Thanks for the suggestion. I actually just finished a course on hermeneutics focusing on Indigenous land claims in Canada and the adjudication of oral evidence and oral histories...but i think i missed out on some of the history and background of the development of european hermeneutics. will be a good addition to my summer reading list.

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Anonymous 2013-04-17 21:43:50 No.3667432
An alchemist from tumblr... wow...

So, whenever one reads, one reads anew. But then we have the remote chance of two people imagining the same thing. Also, one doesn't have to read anew ech time.
But I will agree with the point because it explains why film adaptations are always a disappointment

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Anonymous 2013-04-17 21:51:34 No.3667448
>>3667376
don't worry, i've been putting off hegel for a while, only because i know i'm not ready haha. i've read a fair amount of/on derrida though, and i just find it so fun and fascinating.







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