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Anonymous 2014-09-11 00:25:15 No.11353428

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What killed Gundam in the west?


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Anonymous 2014-09-11 00:28:31 No.11353443
America

/thread

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 00:30:08 No.11353453
>>11353428
toonami trying to build a following after school with a 20 year old show. couldnt hook the kids to buy the crappy toys that came out originally or the shit gunpla that toys r us sold

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 00:30:10 No.11353454
Poor business decisions by Bandai and a shift in executives at Cartoon Network that weren't interested in licensing anime.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 00:30:13 No.11353455
guesses?my
1)bandai bailed on west and just died
2)didn't make enough money Sunrise pulled the plug
3)licensing issues for Copyrights and such.
4) Sunrise just doesn't care.

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RX782 2014-09-11 00:36:07 No.11353489
>>11353428
Mostly poor business decisions. If you're speaking literally, it actually happened 13 years ago tomorrow...

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 00:36:11 No.11353491
Trying to follow up Wing with the '79 series, oversaturation of the G Gundam toyline, BoA pulling the Zeta toyline at the last second and replacing it with SEED's toyline causing stores to drop Gundam merchandise altogether, and every Gundam series after G being a flop on TV.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 00:37:11 No.11353498
>>11353428
G Gundam

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 00:40:38 No.11353518
>>11353454
Pretty much this. Bandai had a great success initially, but then they started trying to push unpopular products and failed to push the ones that were actually good.

Ever since shit went downhill, Sunrise and Bandai have basically swore off Western markets entirely. I'm actually surprised 00 Gundam made it to TV in the U.S. given their lack of interest in our markets.

Even moreso, they make the same mistakes as other companies from Japan and expect the same things that work there to work here, as if we're all one big family of anime/Gunpla loving humans! Goddamn idiots

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 00:46:45 No.11353546
>>11353428
Sunrise was too cheap and reluctant to remake 0079 when The Origin had just begun publication, and too dumb to just sell Gundam X to the Wing audience, where it might have made a profit and found it's niche.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 00:59:27 No.11353607
>>11353546
always wondered why they showed us some thousand year old cartoon after gundam wing instead of just dubbing over gundam x. the original show is cool from a literary/historical/trivia perspective but it is pretty hard to watch, even for 9 year old me.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:10:25 No.11353665
>>11353607
I always thought they should of aired the movie trilogy over the course of 3 Fridays and then ran through the OVAs and Zeta

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:12:46 No.11353671
They pissed off the big Box Retailers & SEED unfortunately didn't sell like wing in the states.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:14:05 No.11353678
>>11353491
>>11353498

I thought G Gundam was popular in the US.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:17:05 No.11353694
>>11353678
TV series did well in ratings, toys sold like shit. And retailers ordered too many of them after Wing's success, so you had toy stores desperately trying to shift G Gundam toys nobody wanted.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:17:47 No.11353698
>>11353678
Not as much as Wing, most people were expecting whatever Gundam show that would air after would be in the same vein, some sort of war and etc. What they got instead was basically another Shounen show.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:19:00 No.11353704
>>11353491
>>11353498
It makes me sad that this is the only time G Gundam is ever talked about.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:19:15 No.11353707
>>11353428
Osama did.

>>11353489
>mfw /m/ is full of fucking children who don't remember that it was 9/11 that killed Gundam

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:20:05 No.11353709
>>11353694
They didn't order too many; they were sent too many of the toys NO one wanted. In the twilight days, all there was on the shelves were Mandala Gundam and Spain Bullhead Gundam.

They tried pulling the same shit they did with Japan; where select toys are marked up due to rarity in order to try and get more buyers to cough up more cash. Retailers eventually said fuck it and ceased to stock any more Gundam.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:20:16 No.11353711
>>11353489

Based Garma

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:22:23 No.11353722
>>11353678
It was. The real problem is stores ordered shit ton of terrible gundams. I don't know how many mandala gundam MSIAs I saw has a kid.

That was just strike one though. Next was giving the stores Zeta Toys then not airing zeta.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:23:31 No.11353733
>>11353671
Part of the issue is the way they sell anime. Americans don't buy TV shows episodes at a time for insane amounts of money. We buy complete box sets, or season by season.

>>11353694
G Gundam is great. Don't fool yourself into thinking /m/ hates it. It's just a different kind of show from the rest of Gundam.

>>11353698
Basically what Bandai and Sunrise needed to do was ride on Code Geass, which was also very popular in the U.S., and then jump to 00 Gundam. 00 probably would've been popular in the U.S. if it had been shown on a good network and had proper backing.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:23:45 No.11353734
>>11353428
Former Bandai USA rep said on ANNCast that all Gundam that was released in the US did okay i.e. met expectations with the exception of Wing and Unicon which exceeded them. Problem is that Bandai Japan wanted another Wing sized success and weren't satisfied with the numbers add the network losing interest in anime licensing altogether and you can pretty much figure out the rest. Now Bandai is trying to sell the rights to the franchise to an American distributor but the problem is that the only Gundam series they want is Wing to cash in on the nostalgia crowd.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:24:04 No.11353737
>>11353722
>giving the stores Zeta Toys then not airing zeta
And they even took the time to dub Zeta, it's a terrible dub, but they still spent money on it.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:24:12 No.11353738
>>11353709
>They tried pulling the same shit they did with Japan
Why is it so hard for bandai to realize American's aren't that stupid.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:24:17 No.11353739
They picked weird shows to bring over. The original, G, Wing, CCA, 0080 and 0083. 0083 and CCA are more difficult to understand without Zeta and ZZ, both good shows in their own right which could have expanded the fanbase.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:24:53 No.11353741
>>11353709

So, the main Gundam toys sold well?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:25:06 No.11353743
>>11353733
>Code Geass
This was way before Code Geass had even aired though, we're talking like 2000-2003 area honestly.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:26:45 No.11353752
>>11353739
Wing and G weren't really weird choices.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:26:48 No.11353753
>>11353733
>Basically what Bandai and Sunrise needed to do was ride on Code Geass, which was also very popular in the U.S
Code Geass didn't do all that great actually. On TV it flopped and disc sales were mediocre, they were in a hurry to finish shipment on R2 so they had rush the dubbing production and didn't bother to dub the R2 picture dramas and sound dramas like they did with R1. 2008-2009 was a very shitty year for Bandai USA, a lot of releases got delayed due to bad discs.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:26:49 No.11353754
>>11353739
>CCA, 0080 and 0083
I never understood that, the OVAs most of all. I remember watching them when I was 14 or 15 and not really getting the context of them at all. I didn't know anything about Gundam at the time outside of Wing. They really should have just aired the movie trilogy of 0079, would have been the perfect introduction to UC.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:27:37 No.11353761
>>11353741
Most of the kids in my class back in like 5th grade I'm 22 now so this is ages ago had at least one gundam toy. I know I had a maxter and deathscythe back in the day. Shame all I have now is a Ball I keep on my desk

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:29:13 No.11353770
>>11353753
>2008-2009 was a very shitty year for Bandai USA
Anime in general in the US, pretty sure that's around the same time ADV closed and broke up into smaller companies. These days, the two big distributors in the US are Aniplex and Funimation, with the remnants of ADV like Sentai, Maiden Japan, and Section 23 doing less popular releases.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:29:55 No.11353776
>>11353734
I had heard this too. It's not that Gundam wasn't successful, it just wasn't successful enough for them.

Basically making money isn't good enough for them. They have to be able to fill their swimming pools with a mixture of 50% USD 50% Yen.
>>11353743
Actually you're right. In fact, you're so right you're almost wrong. Shockingly, Code Geass comes almost a full 8 years later, which proves that my teenage years were one big blur.

>>11353754
I'm surprised to hear that, considering it was just as widely discussed and as highly received as a certain anime about an older teenager who likes telling people what to do and being all-knowing *cough* Shit Note *cough*

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:32:18 No.11353787
>>11353739
The only weird ones were MSG and CCA really. 0080 and 0083 weren't as plot reliant, and like 08th MS team, could be aired on its own.

The other thing that did help to kill interest was suddenly going from Wing, G Gundam, and SEED, to the original Mobile Suit Gundam. Most regular Americans were never interested in old series, and kids especially not, and suddenly trying to force-feed MSG in the hopes of getting the youth to like it caused the ratings to divebomb as kids either changed the channel or called it a night.

>>11353734
It's inconvenient, since Bandai is hellbent on an All or Nothing approach. If some distributor wants even one Gundam series, they'd have to cough up the dough to license and distribute all the other series.

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TE spoiler guy 2014-09-11 01:32:19 No.11353788
>>11353709
>They tried pulling the same shit they did with Japan; where select toys are marked up due to rarity in order to try and get more buyers to cough up more cash

Why do people persist in projecting shit on countries they know nothing, seriously.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:34:04 No.11353802
>>11353776
Yeah it was basically Bandai Japan being retards and not understanding the American market. Bandai USA was doing fine for the most part and could have strived too but Bandai Japan just gave up on the Western market.

>>11353770
Yeah that was a pretty shit year and that was also the year in which single releases stopped and they just went directly to complete sets

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:35:47 No.11353812
>>11353802
>they just went directly to complete sets
I honestly prefer that considering how much I paid for each platinum edition of Evangelion individually.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:37:35 No.11353819
>>11353788
Japs are idiots who for some stupid reason think their inefficient way of doing things is Amaterasu's gift to the world. I honestly will never have much respect for Japanese business practices or lifestyles. Tomino's right the country needs innovation though youth, however that will never happen.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 01:39:24 No.11353824
>>11353819
>however that will never happen
Yeah, their culture is pretty stagnant, certainly doesn't help that they have one of the highest suicide rates combined with a very low TFR, along with the fact they have more old folks than young folks almost. I can see why Tomino has a grim outlook for the current generation and why he's reaching out to the younger one.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 03:11:20 No.11353873
1. Following up the stylish, fast paced Gundam Wing with the cerebral, clunky 0079. That's like trying to show old Star Trek episodes to someone who's only seen the Abrams reboots: yeah they're better story wise, but you're lying if you think they LOOK better.

2. Piss poor business decisions from both sides of the pond in terms of the merch

3. 9/11 happening around the time Garma died on the original broadcast, forcing CN to dump the rest of 0079 on Midnight Run in the middle of Christmas.

4. SEED

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TE spoiler guy 2014-09-11 03:16:27 No.11353890
>>11353819
Not sure if being sarcastic or really ignorant.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 03:18:23 No.11353898
Around 2002ish I was 9 years old, and Gundam Wing was basically my favorite show.

Even had a 1/60th scale Wing 01 gundam action figure.

As far as I remember I hated Gundam G, I watched it but had no interest in the toys. It didn't have the cool realism that I liked in G and the tone was way to silly for me to get into it. One Gundam had a fucking sombrero, 9 year old me didn't tolerate this.

The older shows they aired I remember enjoying but they never played them enough for me to get really into them. Although I did force my parents to get me an original gundam mattress, which was probably the worst mattress I ever owned, and I never slept with sheets since I just wanted to see the Gundams on it.

I even built a few gunpla I got from hobby lobby at the time with help from my dad, who was more than happy to see me get into model making.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 03:20:17 No.11353904
>>11353898
>It didn't have the cool realism I liked in *wing

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 03:21:25 No.11353906
>>11353873
>3. 9/11 happening around the time Garma died on the original broadcast, forcing CN to dump the rest of 0079 on Midnight Run in the middle of Christmas.

Holy shit.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 03:25:02 No.11353917
To your average American purchasing manager/business exec at the time when wing was hot, You thought all gundam was hot shit and didn't know the difference between a main character gundam or mandala gundam. You just read the word gundam.

It is increasingly common for people in positions of power to not know anything about products they have other than some basic facts. If anything has some sot of intricacy, they will likely miss it the first time. Too bad there was no second tome since gundam mer bombed and no one wanted it.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 03:26:48 No.11353924
>>11353546
Sunrise's unwillingness to bring X to the West will always confuse me.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 03:33:26 No.11353939
>>11353873
It didn't force them to do anything. The ratings were tanking and the suits wanted an excuse to scrap the show.

Plus they at least got to space. I remember thinking 'Didn't that already get blown up?' when the Braw Bro came back,

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 05:48:13 No.11353956
>>11353890
Sarcastic hyperbole. I thought the Amaterasu line made that obvious. Some days I really hate moot.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 05:51:01 No.11353966
Victory should have been aired, not the original.

It's far enough in the timeline that it's essentially its own story and the grimdark will attract edgy middleschoolers to it like flies on syrup-glazed shit. Even more so than 08th MS and 0083's retarded milwank for proto-Cawadoody kids.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 05:57:39 No.11353978
>>11353812
I forked over cash for individual DVDs up to and including Code Geass (what with their individual DVDs and the ones that come with extra shit in a box every two-three DVDs). I won't say I'm ashamed of it either; some of those DVD 1 + Collector's Box for future DVDs are nice. Trinity Blood's opens down the middle, Platinum Evangelion looked stunning, Code Geass had a wood-like box, and so on.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 05:57:55 No.11353979
>>11353924
X was a failure in Japan. Bandai thought it would be waste of time exporting a failed show.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 06:01:33 No.11353984
>>11353924
Simple. They're convinced both markets work the same and X kinda bombed. So no X for murrica. Forgetting about stuff like The Big O.
Meanwhile they wanted to get kids into UC because that's where all the toys are, so quick, let's give them this really old shoddily animated show full of obnoxious whining characters and simplistic designs.
...
WHADDYA MEAN "THEY DON'T LIKE IT"

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 06:02:17 No.11353986
Tomino's shit story telling skill

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 06:02:29 No.11353987
>>11353753
>Code Geass didn't do all that great actually. On TV it flopped and disc sales were mediocre

The ratings were bad, but at a time when Adult Swim Action figures weren't anything like current Toonami numbers either across the board.

Also, calling it mediocre might be a little too harsh.Former Bandai Ent. USA people have publicly stated it did well. Not DBZ or FMA levels, which might be a case of misleading expectations needing to be toned down for R2's release, but then again they were flooding the market with 3 versions of S1 (LEs, Bundles and Singles). I think that was Japan execs overreaching, rather than mediocre sales per se. Besides, the manga spin-offs are said to have done surprisingly nicely in the U.S. too. If anything, the fact they released R2 in 4 sets rather than 3 suggests they expected to still see a decent number of sales per vol (as when a multi-part or singles-based release is doing poorly, you do the opposite), despite some cost cutting on the extras (the commentaries were still translated though). But yes, it's true this wasn't a good time for Bandai in general.0 They were in the process of cutting out extras entirely and not even doing dubs for other productions.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 06:20:19 No.11354022
i guess i was the one kid that perferred the original gundam to wing as a kid, but i know that wasn't the normal thought most kids had

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 06:22:50 No.11354027
>>11353924
Remember, Japan has shit taste. They didn't like X, and they assume that Americans won't like it either. When all evidence points to most series that Japan hates being critical darlings and media successes in America.

Note that this only applies when the reasons why the series bombs are story- and character-related, rather than resulting from fundamental flaws in the pacing, animation, premise.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 06:24:32 No.11354031
>>11353987
Adult Swim still reruns FMA Brotherhood. Five years later.

They don't even talk about Code Geass.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 06:26:35 No.11354036
>>11354031
>They don't even talk about Code Geass

Let's keep it that way.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 06:27:42 No.11354040
>>11353873
>3. 9/11 happening around the time Garma died on the original broadcast, forcing CN to dump the rest of 0079 on Midnight Run in the middle of Christmas.

Garma was long dead by the time 9/11 happened.
More accurately, 9/11 happened during the Texas Colony arc of episodes. So they were VERY close to wrapping things up when CN decided to pull the plug.

Also, they never officially finished 0079's run. Instead, they played the final episode around 3 AM EST on New Year's as part of their 'New Year's Evil' run

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 06:29:54 No.11354047
boring story

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 06:30:33 No.11354048
>>11354036
I've been watching the dub in the pre-Toonami stream and it's pretty average. It's not terrible like Tenchi's dub.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 06:31:35 No.11354051
>>11354048
And I'd rather watch Code Geass on Toonami instead of more FMA reruns, DBZ Kai, and Naruto reruns.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 06:37:46 No.11354066
>>11354051
I don't know what I'll do on my Saturday nights once Space Dandy ends since that's really the only reason I watch Toonami nowadays. I'd stay for Hellsing but I'm already planning on marathoning the dub once I get the last volume.

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Derringer 2014-09-11 07:11:35 No.11354143
Anyone who thinks gundam x would have worked in the u.s. at the time fails to understand that gundam itself was an example of diverging taste in the u.s. happening in real time. You cant make the argument of the u.s. having different tastes when the examples of those tastes were not apparent until after their release/airing. It also takes months for negotiations for jp companies to work out plans and msg had already been planned before wing had finished airing. There is absolutely no way anyone would have thought gundam x was a better alternative unless you came from the future.

regardless of which, msg would have had miserable ratings no matter what because of its dated appearance. It honestly feels like those at CN at the time were Akira, speed racer,voltron, robotech, shogun warriors, hanna barbera types who were too old to recognize how an older style would not be appreciated by kids of the current generation

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 07:22:47 No.11354168
>>11354143
One need not have foreknowledge to figure out that Americans liked Wing, X has a similar artstyle making it a good series to launch immediately following Wing, and would act to introduce Newtypes to the US audience.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 07:28:13 No.11354180
>>11354143
really with X all they would have had to do would be to pull a Robotech and claim it's a sequel to Wing(hell it wasn't till around 2003 that I found out otherwise, and this comes from someone who owned model kits for both Ashtaron, and Airmaster Burst when Wing was still airing)

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 07:32:11 No.11354194
>>11354168
>figure out that Americans liked Wing
Back then messageboards wouldn't have been indicative of true fanbase size. Gundam toys and models weren't selling very well either.

>X has a similar artstyle making it a good series to launch immediately following Wing
Regardless of the reason it bombed or if it looks like Wing, you'd be hard pressed to convince executives to take on a failed show.

>and would act to introduce Newtypes to the US audience.
It's not as if introducing newtypes would make the transition to UC easier. MSG doesn't have a problem introducing newtypes - and it was already not doing well for weeks before they decided to cancel the US broadcast.

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Derringer 2014-09-11 07:43:12 No.11354217
>>11354168

You, a jp executive are asking to put a cancelled show on air that did not have any redeeming qualities through reruns or even merchandise sales. There is absolutely no one unless you are from the future who would NOT question your qualifications and common sense for even suggesting it.

No one knew wing was going to be the only gundam America had any significant strong feelings for until after it ended and other gundam series or ova did not match its magnitude.

Why the hell do people think barnes and noble is selling 1/144 wing kits from 1997 now? because people want it. By the way numbers for wing related merchandise in the u.s. Is ridiculously high now. We cannot keep mg heavyarms in stock because barnes and noble reorders way too much

There is also no merchandise in gundam x besides the model kits. The policy at the time had been to import or modify existing gundam merchandise for the u.s. market. No msia or even candy stuff of x existed back in the 2000s.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 07:46:38 No.11354223
>>11353428
Transformers.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 09:20:11 No.11354378
does anybody have pictures of the us zeta toys?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 09:40:38 No.11354406
Perhaps instead of Gundam X, the solution woud have been to bring over another Sunrise production like one of the Brave Series?

Though, I suppose having to share rights with Takara would not have worked well.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 13:11:26 No.11354776
>>11354031
>They don't even talk about Code Geass.
Why should they? No longer have the rights, plus FMA -even the original- was mega-popular and Brotherhood in particular is more recent.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 14:33:19 No.11354968
>>11354406
>brave seires

Thats not Gundam?. Are you one of those people that will just randomly enter a discussion by answering with another topic?

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RX782 2014-09-11 15:44:42 No.11355249
>>11354217
Tell that to the RX-78-2 we got for the G-Fighter. Pretty sure that as a unique mold.

>>11354378
Never seen one. I'm actually curious where people get this canceled Zeta merch idea from. Don't get me wrong, I believe it to be true, I just have no idea who said this first.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 15:47:32 No.11355265
>>11353704
> this is the only time G Gundam is ever talked about
You must be new here.

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RX782 2014-09-11 15:51:30 No.11355294
>>11354040
Also this, was going to post it last night but the site was down. That was probably the worst part about it, was that CN pulled it so fucking close to the end. How sad it was so see even more DBZ in place of Gundam that day...

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 15:53:42 No.11355306
>>11355249
To be fair, that's one piece of merchandise.
If you've already got a load of stuff ready to sell, making/modifying one or two items is pretty justifiable compared to having to build a lot of merch up from scratch to cover for not having enough.

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RX782 2014-09-11 15:57:54 No.11355344
>>11355306
Still, we will never see that kind of merchandising push here ever again. I imagine the younger people simply don't remember how big Gundam was for the first two years. Yeah, it was only popular for basically one year, but Bandai pushed the shit out of UC through pretty much all of 2001.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 16:16:53 No.11355439
>>11355344
On this note, does anyone else remember the Invasion Tour from 2001?

Was kind of stupid in hindsight, but fuck it. It was a fun way to spend an afternoon back then.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 16:17:42 No.11355444
>>11355249
Didn't we also technically get HGUC Char's Zaku II before Japan (it was just an edited Zaku II, but still)?

As for the Zeta thing-
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/2389.html
It definitely was supposed to happen at some point, though whether the whole thing about being swapped out for SEED toys at the last second thing is true or not I have no idea.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 16:20:35 No.11355452
>>11353737
Zeta wasn't a terrible dub

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 16:25:44 No.11355477
>>11354378
They're probably just Zeta MSIAs

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 16:26:10 No.11355479
>>11355452
Wasn't exactly good, either.

I mean, if I have no other options, I'll listen to the dub, but personally I found it to be pretty flat a lot of the time.

Though I do give them some points for being up there Akira and FMA in dubbing their children to sound like children.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 16:31:09 No.11355505
>>11355452
Eh, Quattro and Sciricco were great. Everyone else was just okay.

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RX782 2014-09-11 16:36:05 No.11355538
>>11355444
Huh, interesting...

And yeah, we had a US recolor of the 08th MS Team Zaku with its own boxart, manuals, pictures, etc.

>>11355452
Yes it was.

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dorkly_chair at instituteforspacepolitics.org 2014-09-11 16:39:01 No.11355557
>>11355477
>>11354378
I don't have any handy. I remember seeing listings for them on the back of the cards, some odd ones too, like ZII or some of the other MS-V type stuff.

I don't remember seeing them on shelves.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 16:56:34 No.11355621
>>11355557
>ZII

We almost got ZII MSiAs?
Dropped the fuckin' ball, Bandai.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 16:57:47 No.11355627
Because if Gundam was actually available here, then Bandai crying piracy ruining them might actually make an iota of sense. Bandai doesn't like sense and thus resorted to self sabotage.

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dorkly_chair at instituteforspacepolitics.org 2014-09-11 17:00:50 No.11355643
>>11355621
if not ZII than some other similarly not-appearing on-screen Zeta era stuff

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:01:16 No.11355646
New Question: What can revive Gundam in the West?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:03:48 No.11355652
>>11355646
That would require Gundam to put out a series that appeals to the West. G Reco probably isn't going to be that series, so it's probably safe to say that nothing they have on the table would appeal.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:05:44 No.11355656
>>11355652
So what would a hypothetical series that appeals to the West look like?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:07:06 No.11355662
>>11355656
Frozen teardrop animated adaptation :^)

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:07:09 No.11355663
>>11355652
I don't think there's anything about Gundam that makes it inaccessible to the West. I don't think Wing was a magical one time thing. You could sell any almost any anime here if you marketed it well enough.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:08:11 No.11355668
>>11355652
The most obvious answer is that it would look like Gundam Wing with better action sequences, and better writing.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:09:51 No.11355677
>>11355668
So 00?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:10:30 No.11355682
>>11355646
If The Origin was what everyone thought it would be, a complete TV remake of the original, that could air on CN edited and Toonami uncut and that might have worked. Since it's not that, the best case scenario is 00 or SEED Remastered on Toonami.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:10:52 No.11355686
9/11 and poor choices by Bandai.

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dorkly_chair at instituteforspacepolitics.org 2014-09-11 17:11:09 No.11355687
>>11355677
yeah 00 probably could have gotten over pretty good, but SyFy's Contractually Obligated Anime Block wasn't a good place to do it.

Hell it was a non-entity enough that CN could probably just run it now.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:13:33 No.11355694
>>11355686

>9/11 and poor choices by Bandai.
I can't tell if the 9/11 thing is a joke or if people actually believe it. Because I don't 9/11 and the war on terror would do anything other than make war stories more popular. It'd be going after the CoD money, sure, but its money.

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dorkly_chair at instituteforspacepolitics.org 2014-09-11 17:15:41 No.11355701
>>11355694
In Gundam's case it seems to have been a scapegoat at most, but yeah, after 9/11 there was a bit of a rush to cut back on death and destruction in the pop culture media. It didn't last long, but it was a thing.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:17:52 No.11355708
>>11355694
>I have no idea what I'm talking about.
9/11 resulted in a change in Toonami programming. That's not some insane fan theory; that's something that actually happened.

>>11355687
If 00 had run on CN during a revived Toonami it could've made a difference.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:19:00 No.11355713
>>11355687
Problem with saying Toonami is that it isn't what it used to be. It's the adult swim anime block, not the ultimate the "get kids into anime" thing it used to be.

I'd put the English dub of AGE (yes, one exist, though made for Singapore) on The Hub, even though I despise AGE. It doesn't have any crossdressing that I remember and it looks like a kid's show so there would be no controversy about it airing on there.

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dorkly_chair at instituteforspacepolitics.org 2014-09-11 17:19:07 No.11355714
>>11355708
aren't they getting TTGL soon? I bet that'll be a decent barometer to how much a SyFy run counts.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:28:22 No.11355748
>>11355714
It's already airing.

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dorkly_chair at instituteforspacepolitics.org 2014-09-11 17:29:48 No.11355754
>>11355748
oh okay
lol I guess that means it doesn't blip the radar around here like the SyFy run at least
>>11355713
>Problem with saying Toonami is that it isn't what it used to be. It's the adult swim anime block, not the ultimate the "get kids into anime" thing it used to be.
that's true

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:36:12 No.11355782
>>11355754
Like putting more Gundam on Toonami wouldn't hurt. It made Deadman Wonderland into a big name thing and SAO even bigger. It'd be totally possible to resurrect AGE on the hub. But yeah, if we wanted to replicate the Wing situation, that's why I suggested of AGE on The Hub since the dub is already made, and the dub isn't that bad.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:36:32 No.11355786
>>11355713
Brave Battle Warriors has a dub too and it'd probably fit better on The Hub than AGE.

On the subject of Singapore dubs, can any Singaporefags confirm or deny the existence of a GBF dub? Its ANN page has this single actor who worked on AGE's dub listed.

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RX782 2014-09-11 17:36:58 No.11355790
>>11355694
It's not a joke, it's just an exaggeration. Earlier I had said that if you interpreted OP's question literally, 9/11 was the answer. 9/11 was an excuse for CN to pull 0079 after abysmal ratings. They had what most people gather was a contractual obligation to air 0079 and could not simply cancel it. You can actually blame Sunrise for this, not Bandai-Ent. That's where the business decisions aspect comes in.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:37:15 No.11355793
>>11355782
I mean it'd be totally possible to resurrect Gundam in West.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 17:39:30 No.11355809
>>11355786
>Brave Battle Warriors
I'd certainly welcome that too. I adored SD Gundam Force as a kid. I know it'd work, and I sure bought a lot of that toy line. It was a big thing in my neighborhood.

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RX782 2014-09-11 17:47:07 No.11355848
>>11355793
Possible? Yes. Likely? No.

Forgive me if I come off as condescending but you have to understand the narrative in which Gundam Wing took place. Gundam Wing was, compared to other anime airing in the US at the time, much more mature. The burgeoning population (hurr) of anime fans in the early 2000s can somewhat simplistically, but effectively be traced back to Pokemon, DBZ, Sailor Moon, et al. Shows that were childish and/or heavily edited for American audiences. Fans of the time *knew* this actually, and Toonami proudly promoted Gundam Wing as airing uncut on the midnight run. On top of this, it had its original sound track (nearly unheard of for broadcast anime at the time), a relatively faithful dub, and style that simply didn't exist in anything else on air.

Bringing Gundam to the west now is kinda of akin to the resurrection of Toonami itself. It feels sort of anachronistic, because that kind of block isn't as necessary anymore. People are exposed to this from almost everywhere on the internet, faster, and in its original form. The block isn't aimed at kids anymore either, so it can't even be seen as an introductory platform for those who don't know where to look. Yeah, it can act as a "filter" for the vast amount of shit out there, showing what is marketable, engaging, etc, but its existence feels sort of unfilled.

We live in a different world now, plain and simple. 00 could have been a pretty solid reintroduction if it aired on a network that treated it well, but now I think the only thing that would really work is a slightly edited GBF, on an earlier block. CN is unwilling to put anime on the main network though, so it's not going to happen, not to mention is making is nigh impossible to license Gundam now.

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Heart 2014-09-11 17:54:30 No.11355881
>>11355782
I forget that there was a dub for AGE, I need to check it out eventually just to see how it is.

>>11355786
I wouldn't be surprised if there was, or making a dub for Build Fighters.







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