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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:12:31 No.11374629

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>when someone says their first mecha show was TTGL
>when someone hates on NGE and gushes over pandering bullshit like Godannar and Muv-Luv

Why do people like this exist, /m/?


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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:15:35 No.11374637
>>11374629
Because it's not legal to kill them.

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?age 2014-09-15 19:15:57 No.11374639
Generally people making these kinds of threads make sure both of their greentext examples are of bad things.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:18:50 No.11374647
>>11374629
>their fist mecha show was TTGL
Who cares? Why does it matter what show they watched first?
The first mecha I watched was SEED, which is complete garbage but I don't base my tastes around it.
I'm sure many people who post here watched SEED or Wing as their first.

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Mattman324 2014-09-15 19:19:22 No.11374648
>>11374629
Better question: Why do you believe either of those are bad things and/or things that can be controlled? How the fuck do you regulate people watching mecha to make GL not the first thing they watch? Why is Eva so good, and why is "pandering bullshit" anything more than your opinion?

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:19:36 No.11374650
Just for the sake of making you claw into your urethra over people liking what you don't like, anon

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:19:58 No.11374651
>>11374629
OP is acting worse than either group he described. Also Godannar is fucking good, I suggest you get over tits and ass.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:20:47 No.11374653
>>11374647
Considering the ease of access to foreign robot cartoons through time, having started with Wing is completely understandable.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:22:17 No.11374658
>>11374653
I started with Robotech and Galaxy Express 999, personally.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:25:31 No.11374665
My first mecha anime was G Gundam, and I'm very glad for it.

Can I not like Evangelion with I prefer stuff like Flag, 0079, 0080, Dairugger, Gunbuster, Big O, Shin Mazinger Z, Dougram, and Patlabor, etc. ? I have no probelm with other people loving NGE to death, I just don't understand why it is supposedly a crime to not love it more than life itself.

Fuck, I'm even friends with guy who's favorite anime is Seed. I don't like the show, but he's still up to watching U.C. stuff, so its all good.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:27:21 No.11374671
>>11374665
*with a guy

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:29:31 No.11374677
>>11374629
But OP, people who like TTGL and like Eva are the same cancerous scum.

Nothing wrong with the shows themselves, but Gainax fans are the worst kind of anime fans.

This also extends to Trigger.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:31:57 No.11374690
/m/ is a big church, gedovahiht.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:37:55 No.11374709
>>11374651

Godannar only got attention because of the T&A even if its story wasn't half-bad. Just saying.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:40:28 No.11374717
>when someone says their first mecha show was Valverave
Gundam isn't getting any newer.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:40:50 No.11374721
>>11374629
Keep crying, OP.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:45:20 No.11374732
>>11374629
Is that supposed to be yfw? Because I think it suits you, it looks like she's retarded in that screencap.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:46:33 No.11374734
>>11374629
Godannar was better than Evangelion

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:47:25 No.11374737
>>11374677
>Gainax fans are the worst kind of anime fans

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:48:04 No.11374739
>>11374629
they exist because the differences between people are what makes life worth living
for someone who takes offense to hating on NGE you sure didn't get it

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:48:40 No.11374741
>>11374629
>Why do people like this exist, /m/?
Sounds like you're one of them

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:49:42 No.11374745
>>11374651
Godannar would be far better without all the T&A.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:56:08 No.11374775
>>11374745
and Evangelion would be far better if it didn't suck

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 19:57:08 No.11374783
>>11374775
Anon, Evangelion doesn't suck. It may not be your cup of taste, but it's far from a series that sucks.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:01:23 No.11374806
>>11374629
>complaining about pandering
>implying that the greatest shows of /m/ don't have plenty of fanservice
>implying NGE isn't full of pandering and fanservice

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:02:00 No.11374809
>>11374783

The show does suck dick and you suck dick along with it

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:03:25 No.11374818
>>11374809
A series that has made millions and has been regarded as the game changer in the industry sucks? You're objectively incorrect on Evangelion and dick sucking.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:03:38 No.11374820
>>11374745
>be far better without all the T&A.
why?
No, seriously, why?

I see this shit all the time. How does big tits and fat asses somehow detract from the experience?

If you can't take a show seriously or pay attention because you see a pair of tits that's your own fucking problem.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:04:24 No.11374826
>>11374818
>Being popular makes something good

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:04:52 No.11374829
>>11374818

>popular=good
>been regarded as the game changer in the industry

Only by ignorant newfags like you

Eva brought absolutely nothing new to the table

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:04:56 No.11374831
>>11374826
>being this juvenile
>2014
Time to grow up, Timmy.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:06:28 No.11374835
>>11374829
You don't need to bring anything new to the table as long as you're able to make it well enough. Gainax made a product that hit all the right buttons at the perfect time.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:08:53 No.11374848
>>11374831
Your entire argument is that Evangelion is good because it's popular. Stop being a kid.

Evangelion is poorly made, poorly written, has no idea what it wants to do with its tone for 1/3rd of the series. Its characters are one-dimensional at best and its character introspection is flat and uninteresting.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:09:30 No.11374851
>>11374835

So this again comes down to "popular=good"

You are a retard for seriously pursuing this line of argument

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:10:49 No.11374859
>>11374820
For one T&A is one of the reasons the show was shunned by all but hardcore mecha and ecchi fans. The time dedicated to boobs and asses ate time from everything else and outside the fans its accepted that most of the designs are really ugly. Pic related. It's like with Star Trek Enterprise, where they wanted to do a mature show for mature audience with the most childish way. Then add to the mix that the second season had to be funded by making porn of the characters, and tells you a lot about how the show was treated.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:13:27 No.11374868
>>11374859
I guess you can't watch any HBO programming

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:14:19 No.11374870
>>11374851
>>11374848
The argument isn't popular = good. The argument is objective view on its sales, impact and other relative influences Eva had.
However, if we are to use the argument, then yes, if the majority accepts it as good, then the vote goes for good. The little special snowflakes who don't happen to like it will always be little hipsters fighting what is mainstreams because that is in their nature.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:14:49 No.11374876
>>11374737
Not that guy, but you ironically proved his point with that image reply.

>Japan's equivalent of The Big Bang Theory

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:15:20 No.11374877
>>11374870
Well based on an objective view of sales - Transformers is one of the best film series of all time.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:15:43 No.11374882
>>11374629
>Hating T&A
Why are you even here?

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:16:07 No.11374885
>>11374868
I doubt HBO's programming has cartoons about giant robots with huge tits.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:16:59 No.11374890
>>11374870
The only impact Eva had was sales.

People always go
>Eva's impact on the industry
But they fail to realize that Evangelion just paved the way for anime aimed at teenagers to air on nighttime television in a time when the OVA format was dying and TV anime was basically just Saturday morning cartoons. It has absolutely nothing to do with the content of Evangelion and everything to do with the popularity of Evangelion.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:17:04 No.11374891
>>11374876

>forcing memes

>>>/v/

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:17:04 No.11374892
>>11374859
>The time dedicated to boobs and asses ate time from everything else
That's a ridiculous notion. The show didn't have slow motion shots of bouncing tits that lasted for minutes on end. This isn't fucking Baywatch.

>outside the fans its accepted that most of the designs are really ugly
What do opinions "outside the fans" matter? I'm sure a lot of people who aren't Gundam fans think it looks like a retarded toy.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:17:33 No.11374894
>>11374877
That's actually incorrect. You'd need to adjust the rates and population before making that deduction as well as the cultural atmosphere. That is, if your argument has the "of all time" in it.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:18:04 No.11374896
>>11374891
It's not a meme, you fucking retard.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:20:52 No.11374910
How abotu yo ufaggots accept Evangelion was and still is the best mecha anime, and anime, that's been done in the last forty years? Eva revolutionized tropes and story telling in Japanese media and introduced great ideas and added a sense of depth anime desperately needed to be taken seriously. Production values are objectively the best and haven't been topped since in a TV anime and not evne by OVAs, and trumps anything with its story and themes and characterizations athat allow it to be taken seriously unlike most shitty kiddy TV and OVA animes out there. Get off your high horse and accept the fact that Eva saved anime and has made it what it is today.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:22:58 No.11374918
>>11374892
It doesn't need to be Baywatch. It had large moment dedicated just to show a character's huge ass trying to get through a hatch and other similar moments. Other one would be boss lady's rack swinging all around when she grabs her phone there, not to mention the whole buttons flying off.

>What do opinions "outside the fans" matter?
Quite a lot actually, when your fans can't even support the show properly. It's nice to have a niche audience, but simply catering to a very small audience that makes no money on the long run is a horrible decision. You can make a great series with a large audience.
Gundam has become a relic to a large extent. It has an iconic look but now it's become something that only old men watch. That's why I'm happy to hear Tomino saying G-Reco will be for the children and grand children of these people, because that promises quality that does no cater to a small circle. Most often the best shows are made with a certain flavoured audience, but also hit big with the larger audience as well. TNG is a classic example of this.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:23:49 No.11374925
>>11374848
>IT'S BAD CUZ I SAY SO

You literally are juvenile, just grow up.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:24:16 No.11374931
>>11374896

Except it is, comparing a work with a completely different one that isn't accept in the community in order to devalue it without any tangible criticism is a meme

And you being the single retard trying to spread it is forcing it

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:24:47 No.11374934
>>11374918
> It had large moment dedicated just to show a character's huge ass trying to get through a hatch and other similar moments. Other one would be boss lady's rack swinging all around when she grabs her phone there, not to mention the whole buttons flying off.
They're all, like, 15 seconds at most.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:25:02 No.11374935
>>11374925
>defend an anime that panders to literal juveniles
>call someone else a kid, trying to assert your adulthood (like a child)

The self-parody is strong in this one

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:25:56 No.11374938
>>11374925

He gave clear criticism why the show is bad and you reply by shitposting and throwing a cool a kid catchphrase

If most of the Evangelion fanbase wasn't actually as stupid as you are I'd almost think you were reverse trolling

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:26:07 No.11374941
>>11374931
That's not what a meme is.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:26:10 No.11374942
I still don't get the point of this thread.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:27:21 No.11374947
>>11374941

Do you know what a meme is? Do you think memes are image macros?

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:29:47 No.11374963
>>11374942
From what I can gather, the point of the thread is...

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:30:30 No.11374967
>>11374947
A meme is not
>comparing a work with a completely different one that isn't accept in the community in order to devalue it without any tangible criticism
Are you seriously this stupid? I mean HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY SHIT

Though, I guess your severely low intelligence is pretty typical of the show's audience.
>in during your next mad reply

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:34:04 No.11374983
>>11374963
Also a small sprinkling of "Stop not liking what I like."
And more than a few handfuls of pic related.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:35:30 No.11374988
How the fuck can a thread on /m/ be so shitty

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:36:35 No.11374994
>>11374988
It seems like you haven't been around much.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:36:36 No.11374995
>>11374848
>Evangelion is poorly made, poorly written, has no idea what it wants to do with its tone for 1/3rd of the series. Its characters are one-dimensional at best and its character introspection is flat and uninteresting.
And that didn't keep it becoming a massive success that made millions. The note of academic good, the things you listed, doesn't work when you get into real life. There is a concept of Good enough, where a product is at the point where it will be successful while not being perfect and filled with flaws. While it would seem true that the series doesn't know what to do with itself until one third way in, calling the characters' introspections uninteresting is an opinion rather than an objective argument.
However, it's the minority that cares about the academically good bodies of works. Most advancements made are from breaking the existing notions of what is good. Evangelion did what it did well enough and how it was made was a roaring success and gained high amount of praise because of it, and one could argue it still holds certain level of grasp of the people as we're still talking about it in this manner.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:37:09 No.11374997
>>11374988
Mods are asleep. Janitors don't care.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:37:28 No.11374999
>>11374995
Micheal Bay's movies are more popular than Evangelion, and thus superior in every way.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:38:21 No.11375004
>>11374967

That is a meme you retard, you are trying to regulate the community's behavior by presenting a (faulty) idea

Of course you're too new to /m/ to realize that nobody cares here cares about The Big Bang, and all it does is prove how much your are from the cesspool that is /v/

Actually you're probably from /b/ as well if you think calling someone "mad" on the internet is any defense against them pointing out how much of an ignorant retard you are

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:38:24 No.11375006
>>11374994
No, I've been around, I just usually hide VVV or A/Z threads and the like, so this is the first time in a long while I see people with so many stupid pointless arguments on both sides

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:39:02 No.11375008
>>11374995
It's just a giant robot cartoon.

Get over it.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:39:12 No.11375009
>>11374999
I haven't heard the industry roaring about them to the same extent and I doubt Armageddon changed the landscape of the disaster movie to the same extent as Evangelion did with anime, especially mecha anime, but I would be interested to see the sources you're basing that on.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:40:14 No.11375012
>>11375008
A giant robot cartoon that has been dubbed as the reflection of 90's Japan.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:40:33 No.11375014
>>11375004
>you are trying to regulate the community's behavior by presenting a (faulty) idea
>That is a meme

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:42:01 No.11375025
>>11375009
>I haven't heard the industry roaring about them to the same extent
You're right. It was more industry and media coverage than Evangelion ever had.
>and I doubt Armageddon changed the landscape of the disaster movie to the same extent as Evangelion did with anime
There was more movies that copied Micheal Bay's trends than there are anime that tried to emulate Evangelion (who's impact had nothing to do with its content in the first place)

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:46:49 No.11375055
ttgl was actually decent up until the final retarded ethereal thing

nge was pretty good but it wasn't the second coming of christ to the mecha genre

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:47:11 No.11375058
>>11375014

Are you at any point going to try and make an actual argument or have you gotten brain atrophy from being fed misinformation by /v/ for so long?

Can you at least try to explain what you think what a meme is?

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:48:49 No.11375070
>>11375055

>ttgl was actually decent up until the final retarded ethereal thing

If you actually think this you are admitting you are retarded to the point of not realizing that is what TTGL was building up to since episode 1

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:50:14 No.11375082
>>11375070
That's bull given that TTGL was written as it went along and changed completely from what was shown in ep 1

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:50:51 No.11375091
>>11375025
Comparison between Bay's movies is rather inaccurate. The early Bay movies are regarded as his best and there are movies that imitate the style seen in them. Naturally there would be larger roar about his movies than Evangelion. That is if you don't make a proper comparison. Bay's and his fellow Hollywood directors' movies get a lot of coverage in the West, whereas most of Japanese products only get the coverage in Japan, especially anime. Thus, adjusting the numbers between them you'd notice that the coverage of two continents on Bay's movies are comparatively smaller than what Evanglion had. That, and Evangelion had longer lasting effect than Bay's movies.
Seeing that bay's movies have had a comparatively smaller reaction and he is mostly talked because of his latest ventures with TF and Turtles, Evangelion even without Anno's latest movies is still talked as it is, and the very discussion we're having about its nature in comparison to your scapegoat shows this.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:55:18 No.11375125
>>11375070
looked to me like it was more of him trying to one-up a certain emperor

forgive me for wanting to see mecha in an anime about mecha

it should have ended with Chouginga Gurren Lagann

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 20:59:56 No.11375151
>>11375082

Except it wasn't you, TTGL's story was written down before production even began, this was actually said in an interview and wasn't something I pulled out of my ass

The intro showed off Super Galaxy Dai-Gurren, human Boota and Simon as the main character, the main conflict in the first episode was about the generational gap between the village chief and Kamina who had differing ideas about how life should be in the village which was the same type of conflict that escalated all the way until the Anti-Spiral who had the exact same philosophy as the chief as too how life should be preserved

The outlying framework of the entire show was established in episode 1, there was nothing "retarded" in how it developed

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 21:01:56 No.11375163
>>11375125

Well it looks to me like you are a clueless moron then

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 21:04:25 No.11375177
>>11375151
>>11375163
>everybody is stupid but me
TTGL's second part wasn't even written until after the first part started airing.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 21:06:11 No.11375184
>>11375163
you still haven't refuted it

name calling is not a counter to a discussion anon

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 21:13:57 No.11375224
>>11375177

>not a single fact to back his statement up

Again, it was established in the first episode and you would realize this if you had half a brain and this interview confirms it pastebin com/VwYHavc8

>TTGL didn't change very much from the first planned structure

>>11375184

What am I supposed to refute? Your baseless assumption that the TTGL was supposed to ripoff Getter Emperor even though they are in no way similar in terms of power, functionality and or size?

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 21:26:53 No.11375281
>>11374848
I don't agree with your analysis, but I'm glad to see a criticism that isn't 'hurf durf shinji a pussy'.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 21:42:13 No.11375339
Gurrenfags can't deny that Spiral Energy is just Getter Rays but more child-friendly.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 22:01:34 No.11375398
>>11375224
you are right emperor has a purpose whereas ttgl was just for shits and giggles/sell more merchandise

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 22:03:18 No.11375410
>>11374629

My first mecha show was TTGL.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 22:04:40 No.11375417
>>11374629

My first mecha was Robotech

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 22:08:25 No.11375433
>>11374848
Your argument is that Evangelion is bad because you feel so. Stop being a kid.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 22:33:50 No.11375529
TTGL being someone's first mecha isn't a bad thing, everyone has to start somewhere.

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Anonymous 2014-09-15 23:04:25 No.11375661
>>11374629
>tfw my first mecha was transformers armada
Nostalgia has its claws so deep in me on that one, that I can't understand why people think the Cybertron trilogy was bad. Or that Animated was good, for that matter

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:09:36 No.11376174
>>11374629
>Imblying everything Gainax has ever done isn't pandering bullshit by definition, because it's anime made for Otaku BY Otaku

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:18:08 No.11376217
>>11374988
Mentioning Evangelion likes this tends to bring out shitposters no matter what board you're on.

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:28:37 No.11376272
Whats up with the weird influx of retards lately? I can't be the only who's noticed an increase in shitposting

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:28:54 No.11376273
Why hasn't everyone watched every Mecha anime in order of production from astroboy and tetsujin all the way through to today.

Is it really to much to ask that before watch shows like TTGL and NGE they just watch 51 years of mecha history first? I mean come the fuck on how lazy are people?

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:37:31 No.11376319
>>11376273
I know you're not serious, but I've actually put off a lot of newer mecha shows in favor of watching older ones first so I could watch them with some more perspective. I do this with most genres in most fiction. I can't get super through, but I at least try to look for the classics in a genre so I can understand where it can from.

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:38:48 No.11376328
>>11376273
I know you're not serious, but I've actually put off a lot of newer mecha shows in favor of watching older ones first so I could watch them with some more perspective. I do this with most genres in most fiction. I can't get super through, but I at least try to look for the classics in a genre so I can understand where the new shows came from. And because I just because something is old doesn't mean it couldn't possibly rock my socks.

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:39:24 No.11376332
>>11376272
The Aldnoah Zero threads have brought in the shitposters and trolls from /a/.

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:40:32 No.11376338
>>11376332
And before that, Valverave.

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:42:25 No.11376352
>>11374629
Pretty sure you've whined more about Muv-Luv than anyone has ever gushed over it Mr. Hell-EE-Cop-Durs.

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:42:31 No.11376353
>>11376272
The nude leaks put 4chan back on everyone's radar.

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:47:39 No.11376378
>>11376319
Ditto. The word "derivative" has a bad reputation in describing media, so I won't use it, but mecha is certainly an... iterative genre. I'm not sure that's a good thing, but it is what it is, and many of the creators are making shows for audiences that share their memories of stuff that's gone before.

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:48:51 No.11376390
>>11376353

I suppose that proves there's no such thing as bad publicity.

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:50:31 No.11376400
>>11376390
But isn't it actually proving the opposite?

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Anonymous 2014-09-16 01:51:39 No.11376407
>>11374870
>if the majority accepts it as good, then the vote goes for good.
So if you were to use the argument its good because its popular
naruto,bleach,sao,snk, fairy tail are all good then.

Not even talking about eva anymore but why do people who use the its popular so its good card.

You aren't going to say for those shows that the majority didnt like them are you? Most of those were "critically acclaimed" and are quite well known

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Mattman324 2014-09-16 02:03:34 No.11376472
>>11376319
>>11376328

Same here. I haven't watched most modern Gundam (and by modern I mean nothing newer than G), but I'm in the middle of finishing L-Gaim and will soon move onto Dunbine and VOTOMS.







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