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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:44:01 No.23231574

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What happened to her, and how do we fix her?


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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:46:42 No.23231595
>>23231574
>implying she has become Shitestia

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:47:27 No.23231598
We give her wings!
No wait we did that.
We make her a human!
Shit that too.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:48:51 No.23231608
>>23231574
She's sick, I prescribe 2 shotgun blasts to the skull.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:50:32 No.23231622
>>23231574
They keep ruining her body style -.-

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:51:13 No.23231625
>>23231622
I didn't know you could ruin something that was already terrible.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:52:05 No.23231628
>>23231574
you can't fix perfection

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:52:27 No.23231634
>>23231574
>implying you can fix perfection

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:52:37 No.23231637
>>23231625
shut up you sunshite

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:52:44 No.23231639
>>23231625
sunset i love you but i am going to punch you right in the mouth

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:53:33 No.23231646
>>23231574
You can't, it's over, she got replaced by Hasjew's fucking 'buy the new princess twily stratego map'.
>tfw sunfag

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:53:54 No.23231649
>>23231634
Jesus that S3 ass.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:54:21 No.23231651
>>23231646
She wasn't selling too well, apparently. Same with Luna compared to Cadenza.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:54:49 No.23231654
>>23231646
>butthurted sunfag
feels good

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:55:24 No.23231660
>>23231651
>SHE DIDN'T SELL SO WELL

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:55:59 No.23231664
>>23231574
There is literally nothing different about her. The only thing that changed that was drastic was her reaction in the discord episode

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:56:03 No.23231665
>>23231654
at least luna hasn't been ruined yet.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:56:30 No.23231667
>>23231646
> mlp stratego map
I'd buy it, I love stratego
> inb4 missing the point

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:57:41 No.23231678
>>23231574
>What happened to her
They pandered to the fandom by trying to make her like "trollestia" and being some sort of inept/lazy joker.
She should be loved by all for bringing them life and protecting their world, but revered as a powerful demi-god. I get that kindness is part of her personality, and she treats all her subjects as friends even equals. But she musn't become a meme princess.
She should be treated like a Queen, who takes no bullshit
>how do we fix her?
Hasbro needs to stop making her out to be some mary sue, and make her the stone-cold badass that she needs to be.
Ponies should stop treating her like she is their friend, they are not her equal.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:57:46 No.23231680
>>23231574

Loss of grandeur. Her image of perfection and power has been slowly ground down by seasons of her mostly doing nothing, and failing whenever she does do anything. The only time I can remember her doing anything useful, besides telling Twilight to do something, is when she dispelled Twilight's want-it-need-it spell.

It's not really a problem with her, though, but with her character type. She's supposed to be the wise mentor figure, but in most stories the wise mentor has to be disposed of, partly for the protagonist to show their stuff but also because, if they didn't, they'd just fix everything. they've kept Celestia around, but couldn't have her fix everything, so they've been forced to have her be ineffectual. Being set up with an air of perfection also meant that she couldn't take part in any of the informal or humorous shenanigans that the rest of the cast does, because they would drag her down.

Take Luna, for a comparison. Just as a study for character writing, I find Luna very interesting, because you could humiliate Luna to hell and back and it wouldn't hurt how the audience views her. Having been a villain, we know she's flawed, and if she slips on a banana and falls down a flight of stairs it comes off as part of her retributive karma. But that sense of karma itself reminds the audience of her past as a villain and that, holy shit, she literally stopped the sun from rising. Luna can keep her sense of grandeur because it comes from her power, which she has established and demonstrated repeatedly. Celestia... has not.

So my answer to "How do we fix Celestia" is: let her do something impressive and memorable.

Otherwise, she's fucked.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:58:22 No.23231683
>>23231574
Make a tulpa

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 17:58:29 No.23231684
>>23231678
>They pandered to the fandom by trying to make her like "trollestia"

She was like that in S1 though, that's where Trollestia came from.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:00:02 No.23231697
>>23231684
but it was still a fandom thing, so its still pandering.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:01:42 No.23231709
>>23231574
Ever since Twilight became a princess, Celestia has become less and less relevant. At this point she's a meme princess.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:04:45 No.23231726
>>23231574

Her problem is basically "show, don't tell". We've been told (generally by implication) that Celestia is wise and powerful and shit, but we've never really been shown it.

At this point Luna's more wise and powerful than Celestia is, and Celestia had a whole season's head start.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:08:06 No.23231756
Nothing. No literally, she's done like actually nothing since the beginning of the show. Plus she has no actual character beyond the vaguest hints, even Luna has more of a character but Celestia's just a generic mentor figure with some sense of humor.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:08:11 No.23231757
>>23231678
>They pandered to the fandom by trying to make her like "trollestia" and being some sort of inept/lazy joker.
>Both of her moments with that character come from S1, including her tea trolling from A Bird In The Hoof

I'm sorry she doesn't match up with your epic headcanon, anon, but she was never some hardcore brootal Princess warrior.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:09:40 No.23231766
In order to fix Celestia you have to fix this first.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:14:13 No.23231794
Celestia's main issue is that she has little to no interaction with Twilights friends. Last season during the S4 finale, she pretty much told Twilight her friends were useless and that they possibly couldn't do anything to stop Tirek, even though Twilight said together they could.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:17:00 No.23231820
>>23231697
Yeah just like how Twilight was a decent character, thank god they made her an alicorn. Bloody pandering having her be a decent character.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:18:16 No.23231827
>>23231757
Thats not how Lauren saw her...
In place of a princess we would have had a Queen.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:20:05 No.23231837
>>23231574
The only thing that happened is that the writers failed to adhere to your expectations for the character.

How do we fix that? Well, you have some options. Pic related.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:20:09 No.23231838
>>23231680
>>23231726

Welp. I was going to respond, but these two - and the first guy in particular - put it better than I possibly ever could have.

This is why, by the way, the movie rumors fucking terrified me: It looked like it was setting up Celestia to be the fall guy all over again.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:20:28 No.23231843
Ship her with discord.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:21:42 No.23231851
>>23231678
She had one scene in all of Season 5 and all she did was laugh at a joke. Something that even made me laugh.

Now you're taking this ONE moment and pretending she's been doing that all season? I'm sorry but I just don't get that.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:39:53 No.23232013
>>23231574
Get some better writers pretty much.
As of now we either have to believe that
she is either some crazy chess master or that against all odds her sheer amount of dumb luck has kept Equestria together for 1000 years. Both options which I loathe.
In almost all the conflicts in the show thus far she has played a pivotal role in initiating the plot in such a way that not only would Equestria be saved but that things for the main characters would be better than they were initially.
Problem is that they've written her into a corner where the viewer expects her to fix everything herself but she can't because the stupid writers plot lines would fall apart if she did do anything.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:40:07 No.23232015
>>23231726
When it comes time to show how powerful Celestia is, we're actually given the opposite.

Whenever she faces a villain without using the elements of harmony, she gets wrecked.
Both Luna and Celestia were powerless against Discord, so that is more of a testament to Discord's power.
She got wrecked by Nightmare before she used the elements,
She got defeated and captured by Chrysalis, which also kind of undermines the whole 'wise' thing because she didn't recognize her niece was acting strangely.

After 4.3 seasons, we still haven't gotten a feel for Celestia's actual strength.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:55:04 No.23232139
>>23231683
>mental disease
Nope

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 18:57:07 No.23232151
>>23231651
And yet Cadance barely has a presence in the toy line right now. It's Celestia who's getting a play set later this year, and it's Celestia who has a figure present in a couple of the running lines.

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 19:01:32 No.23232180
>>23231634
And here she is in S5
Would ya look at that donk dress outline

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 19:05:17 No.23232206
>>23231680

Funny how during the Discord episode this season they had Celestia utterly useless...so Nicole's OTHER character could "Ooooom" the Smooze instead.

But honestly, she's constantly stuck being considered some kind of super-powered alicorn by the fanbase, when in reality the show has said otherwise, time and time again. The only times we see her cut loose are in flashbacks, and even then it's only versus Chrysalis in the comics (so basically nothing) or using the EoH on Nightmare Moon (so basically, not her). Or heck, beating Discord. EoH. Again.

Perhaps those that can't, teach?

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Anonymous 2015-05-28 19:05:22 No.23232208
>>23231622
>-.-
Kill yourself







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