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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:25:36 No.53217857

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Which are better? I personally think Beach Boys, because all the works of the Beatles is pretty much a copy of Pet Sounds.


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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:27:33 No.53217901
what's a beetle to a beach boy

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:27:59 No.53217911
>>53217901
exactly

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:30:15 No.53217966
The Beastie Boys

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:30:21 No.53217971
>>53217901
/thread but let me break it down like this

the beach boys are better for a reason uncommon see they just have more great songs than the beatles and the beatles didn't make pet sounds so is there even a debate its like the beatles did all the drugs and were douchebags about it but brian did the drugs and was like "I feel sad but I also feel happy" see brian was realistic about it and not hiding behind pretty colors like them euroboys

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:33:52 No.53218054
Pet Sounds was heavily influenced by The Beatles, particularly Rubber Soul. Brian Wilson was obsessed with The Beatles and though Rubber Soul was the perfect pop album. Pet Sounds was an attempt to make something as good as The Beatles. Brian Wilson had a breakdown when he heard Strawberry Fields Forever and realized he couldn't write a song of that caliber. Paul McCartney loved Pet Sounds, but the other Beatles never really wrote anything that sounded particularly inspired by it. Both great bands, but The Beatles were more consistent, wrote greater songs, and were more influential.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:35:19 No.53218081
>>53218054
/thread

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:36:46 No.53218109
The Beatles could never in a million years make something like Smiley Smile or Surfs Up

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:41:08 No.53218217
Fuck you i choose both

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:42:01 No.53218234
>>53218054
So what?
If Thom Yorke said Darude inspired Radiohead's career, would it make Darude superior than Radiohead?
Weak argument tbh.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:43:32 No.53218272
I forgot people liked the beach boys. lmao.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:43:56 No.53218283
>>53218054
fucking this.

let's not even argue about it because beach boys and the beatles are both the best band of all time. it's honestly impossible to choose one.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:45:32 No.53218328
Overall, The Beatles, but Pet Sounds is the best album between them

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:45:53 No.53218335
>>53218234
>implying Darude isn't the greatest electronic musician of all time

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:46:47 No.53218355
>>53218328
I agree.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:47:04 No.53218363
>>53218054
>Pet Sounds was heavily influenced by The Beatles, particularly Rubber Soul.

This is false. Brian was inspired by Rubber Soul, not influenced by it.

>Paul McCartney loved Pet Sounds, but the other Beatles never really wrote anything that sounded particularly inspired by it.

Also false.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:47:34 No.53218371
Fuck yeah, this thread again.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:48:48 No.53218400
>>53218363
I saw a Brian wilson interview were he said that rubber soul got him pet sounds

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:49:30 No.53218417
>>53218054
>>53218400
How is this even relevant?
Isn't this how music works, and evolves?

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:50:17 No.53218434
>>53218400
Rubber Soul inspired him to make a "perfect album." There is zero musical influence on it whatsoever.

Inspiration and influence are two very different things. I'm not sure how or why people mix them up so often.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:53:00 No.53218488
>>53217857
Lennon/McCartney wrote more great music, so them. The Wilson cult mostly consists of "indie" kids and young adults who are attracted to the angstier themes which aren't found as frequently in the Beach Boys' music. For example, >>53217971.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:54:40 No.53218532
>>53218434
whatever it's not like it's important in any way. by the way this song always sounded very beatles influenced to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaWFBDwxE1g

especially the drums, it's a type of playing that you can see alot in the beatles. and then the sax, even though the beatles don't use a sax very often the melody itself is very beatles-esque and of course the strings section that also sounds a lot like something the beatles would make.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:54:55 No.53218539
>>53218328
Pretty much. Pet Sounds arguably peaks higher than anything the Beatles put out (although I don't agree) but the Fab Four's lasting impact as well as body of work far outstrip Brian and his boys.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:56:58 No.53218590
Why not the Beatles trying to be Pet Shop Boys

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:57:37 No.53218601
>>53218488
>Lennon/McCartney wrote more great music, so them.

Such as? And please include what you think the Beach Boys offered in terms of "great music".

>The Wilson cult mostly consists of "indie" kids and young adults who are attracted to the angstier themes which aren't found as frequently in the Beach Boys' music.

What an ignorant statement. It's not our fault McCartney and Lennon were incapable of attaching emotions to their music.

>>53218532
>whatever it's not like it's important in any way.

Yes it is. Saying it's musically influenced by the Beatles implies that they impacted Brian much more than they actually did at the time. All they were to him was competition.

>especially the drums, it's a type of playing that you can see alot in the beatles. and then the sax, even though the beatles don't use a sax very often the melody itself is very beatles-esque and of course the strings section that also sounds a lot like something the beatles would make.

You realize Brian was writing stuff like this before the Beatles ever did? You're literally saying "This sounds influenced by the things the Beatles did which they did after Brian influenced them."

>>53218539
What Beach Boys albums have you listened to? I don't disagree that the Beatles have more of a lasting impact though. They were literally Hollywood: The Band.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:58:53 No.53218626
>>53218539
>Pet Sounds arguably peaks higher than anything the Beatles put out (although I don't agree)
So you just saying an subjective opinion is arguably correct, even known its not your opinion.
That's what I call lack of personality.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:59:38 No.53218647
>>53218601
>What Beach Boys albums have you listened to?
Today!, Pet Sounds, Smiley Smile, Friends, 20/20, Sunflower, Surf's Up, Smile Sessions. Not a bad album among them.

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Anonymous 2015-01-29 23:59:43 No.53218650
Reminder that Brian was writing stuff like this while the Beatles were writing fucking Beatles for Sale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH6NVrnA8jc

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:00:39 No.53218673
>>53218626
Well, yeah. I've seen the case made for it and I can understand it entirely. Doesn't mean it's the side of the fence I happen to inhabit.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:00:45 No.53218675
>>53218601
Ignorant indeed but:
>McCartney and Lennon were incapable of attaching emotions to their music.
Really?
>what is For No One
>what is Julia
>what is Let It Be
>what is Two of Us

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:00:51 No.53218679
>>53218647
>Today!, Pet Sounds, Smiley Smile, Friends, 20/20, Sunflower, Surf's Up, Smile Sessions. Not a bad album among them.

Why do you think the Beatles have a better body of work then? Are there more than eight Beatles albums you enjoy somehow or do you just enjoy them more? You're clearly aware of the perfect run of albums from 65 to 71 so I'm a little confused that you think the Beatles had a superior body of work.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:01:35 No.53218701
>>53218601
>You realize Brian was writing stuff like this before the Beatles ever did?
it was recorded in november 1966 and sounds influenced by things from revolver, an album that came out in august 1966. correct me if i got my dates wrong.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:01:41 No.53218705
>>53218679
>Are there more than eight Beatles albums you enjoy somehow or do you just enjoy them more?
Pretty much. I said they weren't bad, not that they were Revolver-tier greatness.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:02:48 No.53218730
>>53218673
Thats ridiculous, because music is subjective.
And if you don't prefer your opinion over someone elses (specially when it comes to high quality music like the one discussed in this thread) you're either a tool, or have very low self esteem, either way, its pathetic.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:03:08 No.53218734
>>53218650
>Beatles for Sale
>bad

Further proof that the Beatles are underrated.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:03:37 No.53218748
>>53218730
I do prefer it though. Seeing a position as arguable doesn't mean you support and agree with it.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:04:29 No.53218768
>>53218701
>it was recorded in november 1966 and sounds influenced by things from revolver, an album that came out in august 1966

And also an album that was influenced by Pet Sounds, particularly Paul's contributions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdCKdwxWGt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WrY0NH6IME

>>53218734
The lyrical content of the first few tracks shows a mild maturity in their songwriting (however Brian was writing lyrically mature stuff before they were), but the music itself is dull and the album is bloated with mediocre covers. Eight Days a Week is the only worthwhile track.

>>53218730
>music is subjective.

>tfw you share a board with people like this

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:05:37 No.53218791
>>53218768
But anon, music is subjective, sure it can be analyzed, but its subjective.
Art is application of rules with a purpose, you can also purposely miss apply the rules, and make even better art. So if the rules can't define good, there's no way to define whats objectively best.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:07:06 No.53218830
>>53218768
>the music itself is dull
Further proof that the Beatles are underrated.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:07:36 No.53218839
>>53218748
Its either 1 or 0.
You can't agree that 0 is arguably the best. But >>53218626
> I don't agree with it.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:08:05 No.53218857
>>53218839
You're not understanding my point.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:08:17 No.53218864
>>53218791
>But anon, music is subjective, sure it can be analyzed, but its subjective.

>If I say the same thing twice, he'll agree with me!

Music _taste_ is subjective. Music is not. You cannot hear a C chord and call it a D chord because that's your opinion.

>>53218830
>If I say the same thing twice, he'll agree with me!

What a thread.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:08:35 No.53218871
>>53218768
I know that revolver is influenced by Pet Sounds but i'm just saying that the piece I posted sounds influenced especially from the drums. it completely reminds me of ringo. Btw i'm pretty sure that the first link you posted is in the wrong key.

Is there really a point in arguing about it though? Is it worth our time? pretty sure it's not.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:10:01 No.53218902
>>53218864
Those are musical elements.
Thats not Music, Music is an art.
Also, that was obviously never my point.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:10:17 No.53218905
>>53218871
>I know that revolver is influenced by Pet Sounds but i'm just saying that the piece I posted sounds influenced especially from the drums. it completely reminds me of ringo.

What about it makes you think of Ringo's drumming style?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:11:39 No.53218938
>>53218902
>Those are musical elements.

Yes, objective musical elements.

>Also, that was obviously never my point.

Your point was that music TASTE is subjective which is 100% true.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:12:38 No.53218960
>>53218864
No one cares whether some witless plebeian like you agrees with something.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:13:30 No.53218986
>>53218938
so why play dumb?
We you trying to get me mad? :\

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:14:00 No.53218995
>>53218601
>It's not our fault McCartney and Lennon were incapable of attaching emotions to their music.
that's just an aggressively irrational statement
listen to songs like I Will or Golden Slumbers or Strawberry Fields Forever or Let it Be or I'm Only Sleeping or For No One or Here There and Everywhere you'll find they're pretty emotional i think.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:14:32 No.53219012
>>53218905
I just think that just having a drummer playing a pretty happy beat in a happy way over a sad melody is a thing the beatles did a lot.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:14:59 No.53219026
>>53218995
Statement reeks of a Scruffy-tier hater to be honest.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:15:29 No.53219041
>>53218864
Music is also subjective
I can record me taking a shit and say it music, and other people may not agree.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:16:25 No.53219063
>>53219041
it will be music but it will be objectively worse than a bach motet

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:16:42 No.53219072
>>53218054
Every single claim in this post always gets debunked every time it's posted on /mu/. Stop perpetuating myths and baiting dipshits.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:17:59 No.53219104
>>53218986
No. I just wanted to clear that up because a lot of people around here will be much huger dicks about it than I was.

>>53218995
>listen to songs like I Will or Golden Slumbers or Strawberry Fields Forever or Let it Be or I'm Only Sleeping or For No One or Here There and Everywhere you'll find they're pretty emotional i think.

Did you just imply that I haven't heard literally all of those?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:18:04 No.53219106
>>53219063
wrong

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:18:21 No.53219117
>>53217857

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:19:50 No.53219151
>>53217857

damn FWIW beach boys were all ugly as fuck

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:20:06 No.53219155
>>53219117
Classic meme right here, guys.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:20:09 No.53219157
"Without Pet Sounds, Sgt. Pepper never would have happened....Pepper was an attempt to equal Pet Sounds."
-George Martin

Also each band influenced one another, they essentially chased each other up a creative spiral. Who influenced the other more I don't know; all I know is I personally resonate with Brian's music more than anything in the beatles' catalogue. Some little tidbits of info nonetheless:

-Bruce Johnston of the Beach Boys went to London as a sort of ambassador due to their burgeoning popularity in the UK and supposedly played Pet Sounds in its entirety multiple times to John and Paul. The Beatles were also supposedly sent acetates of the SMiLE sessions as they were recording Sgt. Peppers.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:20:09 No.53219158
>>53219117
this is missing some beatles albums

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:20:26 No.53219164
>>53218400
>Listening to Rubber Soul didn’t clarify my ideas for Pet Sounds, exactly. But it inspired me. When we were listening to it that night I said to myself, “Now I’m gonna make an album just as good as Rubber Soul.” Not the same album.

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S52825107#p52834291

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:21:47 No.53219192
>>53219158
Also some Beach Boys albums. Today, SMiLE, Sunflower, etc

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:22:01 No.53219197
>>53219164
>citing a post as a source
I think you're right, but ayyyyyy.
Don't do that

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:22:32 No.53219204
>>53219158
And every other Beach Boys album recorded between 1964 and 1977.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:23:52 No.53219231
>>53219164
>"rubber soul got me pet sounds and pet sounds got them sgt pepper

2:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQjUgXLg8Fw

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:24:57 No.53219255
Can someone explain what is so great about Pet Sounds? I've listened to it multiple times but I don't get what makes it one of the best albums ever made. Not trying to hate on the beach boys here, I just dont see what makes it so great

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:26:16 No.53219287
>>53219197
I'm not using it as a source. It's additional reading. I'm not going to repost shit I've already written over and over again.

These Beatles vs. Beach Boys threads are very tiring, but they're all anybody on this board wants to talk about. Whenever I post real analysis on Brian Wilson's music, the threads die immediately. So who cares, really.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:26:56 No.53219305
>>53219255
How old are you?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:27:18 No.53219314
>>53219287
I'm interested in reading your analysis of Brian Wilson's music, if you're willing to paste it.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:27:33 No.53219322
>>53219255
Same.
Maybe, I talk for myself now, we're immune to that kind of songwriting, and see it more as cliche and overused crap, than actual good music with artistic merit.
Its hard to listening to an album according to a context we can't experience.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:27:51 No.53219329
>>53217857
How is this even a thread

>rubber soul
>revolver
>sgt. pepper
>abbey road

That's a whole different level man

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:29:03 No.53219364
>>53219151
>implying

>>53219197
I'm guessing he had that link copied for something else because that quote isn't even in that post.

Here's the source by the way, just google it.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=9547.0;wap2

The article it cites as a source is down but I'm sure this will suffice.

>>53219231
And by "Rubber Soul got me Pet Sounds" he obviously meant it inspired him to create Pet Sounds.

If you think there's any Rubber Soul-esque musical influence on Pet Sounds then you have either only listened to one album or you've listened to neither.

>>53219255
Here's a pastebin I saved and just post when people ask this question. It's just my thoughts and opinions on it but I tried to cover all the things people generally love about it.

http://pastebin.com/92qkwV79

It's not exactly all I have to say about the album but it's a good overview of why I love it.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:30:04 No.53219395
>>53219329
All of those albums are among the Beatles lesser albums and are several levels below Pet Sounds, Smile and Surfs Up.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:30:26 No.53219405
I wonder which band is overall more consistent and has a better, more diverse overall output?

Real head scratcher...

>all those under 3.00 scores for the beach boys

lel

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:31:15 No.53219425
>>53219395
so much retarded in one post
yikes

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:31:27 No.53219432
>>53219395
Of course dude whatever you say

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:31:47 No.53219443
>>53219329
Thanks for your contribution. You won this whole thread over with those hot onions.

>>53219405
Another classic meme.

>>53219425
Not him but that's a great argument you got there.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:32:11 No.53219455
>>53219405
>using numerical scores from 1-5 as an argument
That's just weak as fuck and you know it.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:32:27 No.53219467
>>53219231
What is this supposed to prove? Brian says whatever he wants in interviews and on television with as little words as possible. There's more to the story than "Rubber Soul got me Pet Sounds". He's said so.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:33:27 No.53219490
Lennon dropped acid over 1000 times during the psychedelic period according to him and wrote A Day In The Life. Brian and Syd Barrett lost their minds and went on to do either nothing of note or to never again be at the top of their music game. Different constitutions, I guess. My main issue with Pet Sounds is that it's protagonist is so damn pathetic and wallowing in his own self-pity. I need a personality with a bit of bravado.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:33:36 No.53219496
>>53219405
Holy shit he thinks the average RYM user has decent taste.

>>53219425
Like >>53219443 says, you sure convinced me.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:34:29 No.53219514
>>53219496
order The Beatles discography from favourite to least favourite pls

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:35:29 No.53219556
>ITT People arguing who inspired who when its clear it was mutual and its even clearer it has nothing to with who's best.
Stop it

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:35:59 No.53219572
>>53219405
>rym is a reliable on anything

No one in this thread said the Beach Boys were more a consistant band.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:36:44 No.53219593
>>53219572
Consistently embarrassing, perhaps.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:36:50 No.53219597
>>53219514
Not him but I'll do it.

>MMT
>Sgt. Pepper's
>Abbey Road
>Revolver
>White
>Rubber Soul

I do not much enjoy the rest enough to rank them.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:38:03 No.53219630
>>53219597
You said they "were among The Beatles lesser albums" and yet haven't even taken enough time to absorb their early work to list their entire discography? Stop chatting shite.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:39:17 No.53219663
>>53219630
>You said they "were among The Beatles lesser albums"

I said no such thing. I literally even said at the start of my post that I wasn't him. Get some reading comprehension.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:39:24 No.53219669
>>53219405
>average beatles score

3.9

>average beach boys score

2.9

KEK


>>53219496
>>53219572
>my opinion is much more valid than tens of thousands of other people's!!!

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:39:48 No.53219682
>>53219314
I've made a few threads whenever I felt like it.

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S52510074

There's also a very good analysis here: http://www.lipscomb.umn.edu/rock/docs/Harrison1997_BeachBoys.pdf

I have a pdf of Luis Sanchez's 33 1/3 book on Smile that I can upload as well.

>>53219255
This question is best answered by simply listening to music recorded before May 1966 and then listening to what was on the radio just a few months later. You will not find any singles or albums that sound like Pet Sounds before Pet Sounds. None. The closest thing you'll find is The Beach Boys Today!.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:40:16 No.53219692
>>53219364
>And by "Rubber Soul got me Pet Sounds" he obviously meant it inspired him to create Pet Sounds.
I was just replying to the guy trying to refute my sources. And in his post he says that rubber soul didn't inspire pet sounds which it did (maybe not that much musically but you get the point). Even to quote him
>But people will continue repeating that same mantra, "Rubber Soul inspired Pet Sounds", only because the Beatles are more interesting to most people than the Ronettes.

Btw I don't think that it's a coincidence that Brian wrote his best melodies after being inspired by an album that's filled with amazing melodies (rubber soul). I think that "Michelle" is a song that influenced the beach boys musically as well as unusual things that got introduced at rubber soul like the piano solo in "In My Life", the sitar at "Norweigan Wood", the acoustic guitar solo accompanied by the odd back up guitars in "Girl", I think all of these things helped Brian with experimenting with new ideas and new instruments.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:40:18 No.53219693
>>53219630
By the way I've listened to their entire discography. I do not enjoy any album besides those 6 enough to bother ranking them.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:40:21 No.53219695
>>53219490
But it's not his fault Caroline changed.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:40:38 No.53219698
>>53219663
get fukt

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:41:57 No.53219729
>>53219695
Aw, bless him.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:43:20 No.53219758
>>53219682
>I have a pdf of Luis Sanchez's 33 1/3 book on Smile that I can upload as well.

Please do.

>Btw I don't think that it's a coincidence that Brian wrote his best melodies after being inspired by an album that's filled with amazing melodies (rubber soul).

Are you seriously telling me you think

1) Brian hasn't always written incredible melodies
2) Someone can be influenced to write better melodies because they heard good melodies

>I think that "Michelle" is a song that influenced the beach boys musically as well as unusual things that got introduced at rubber soul like the piano solo in "In My Life", the sitar at "Norweigan Wood", the acoustic guitar solo accompanied by the odd back up guitars in "Girl", I think all of these things helped Brian with experimenting with new ideas and new instruments.

You do realize that he had been using unconventional instrumentation before the Beatles did right?

Why am I even asking that. Of course you don't.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:44:07 No.53219776
>>53219490
>Brian and Syd Barrett lost their minds and went on to do either nothing of note

Patti Smith, Lester Bangs, Alex Chilton, Peter Buck, and a myriad of other notable musicians disagree.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:45:05 No.53219794
>>53219776
literally who

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:45:15 No.53219798
>>53219758
https://www.sendspace.com/file/v83wxs

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:46:01 No.53219816
>>53219669
The calculated average of thousands of opinions isn't equal to an "super-opinion", some people rated Pet Sounds 0.5/5, does the 4.22/5 average represent them rightfully? I don't think so.

Do you take pleasure in shitposting?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:46:03 No.53219818
>>53219104
No I implied that you're being a disingenuous little sack of shit if you say that those songs and many others in their relatively illustrious catalog have no emotional connection.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:46:05 No.53219819
>>53219758
>You do realize that he had been using unconventional instrumentation before the Beatles did right?
Why was Brian's instrumental palette plain as shit before Rubber Soul came along then?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:46:32 No.53219830
>>53219794
All of those people are seminal, highly-influential figures of their respective genres.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:48:07 No.53219864
>>53219830
awesome

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:48:15 No.53219868
>>53219819
It wasn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beach_Boys_Today!#Recording_and_production
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_Sounds#Personnel

Subtract the difference, and you're left with theremin and bass harmonica. Try actually listening to the albums you're attempting to discredit.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:50:28 No.53219921
>>53219798
Appreciate it.

>>53219818
I meant they don't have an emotional connection between the songwriter and the song itself. Brian fought against everything to make the music that he made. The Beatles were a creative circlejerk; they were all on the same page as far as experimenting goes and so were their producers and so was their manager and the label. Brian had to fight for Pet Sounds to be released. He had to fight for a lot of his music to be released. You feel he's connected to his music deeply because it clearly wasn't something that came easily and without a cost.

I do not get that from the Beatles. None of them seemed emotionally invested in what they made. If you could disprove that notion with interviews or something then that would be magnificent because this particular thing makes me like the Beatles far less than the Beach Boys. Everything seems so meticulous and emotionally disconnected.

>>53219819
See >>53218650

He also used a harpsichord in this song, composed in late '64.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjJUNh8QATw

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:50:51 No.53219929
>>53219117
They put a greatest hits collection in there to pad it out, jesus christ.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:51:19 No.53219938
>>53219490
To the contrary, not a single song was written or inspired on drugs, the only exception being the opening two lyrics of I Am the Walrus, written on Mary Jane.

>>53219514
8/10
>Magical Mystery Tour
Say what you want about "muh album structure", this album has better songs than anything else by the Beatles. I Am the Walrus has something like 30 or 40 chord shifts (a la Darudes sandstorm) and the production of the album is some of the most psychedelic of all time (in the sense of messing with stoners, not in the sense of similarity to other psychedelic bands, it is fairly unique from the rest of the movement.)

7/10
>A Hard Days Night
Fantastic classic pop songwriting, has more proper songs than any other beatles release.

>The White Album
I refuse to rate any album with such fantastic pop songwriting as Martha My Dear, Honey Pie, Helter Skelter any lower. Even when it is "filler" it is fantastically interesting filler, Revolution 9, while no the most innovative track in the world does it's job really well.

6/10
>Rubber Soul
Decent early psych a la the Byrds. Many of the tracks (The Word, Drive My Car) are too cheesy to listen to.

>Help!
Unable not to love, has the best pop songs of all time such as I've Just Seen a Face, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away and especially Yesterday.

>Sgt Pepper
Despite" >muh concept" has very few good songs, just production gimmicks, bells and whistles. The meaning of style over substance

>Revolver
Great tracks like Eleanor Rigby, Tomorrow Never Knows, Absolute shit like Doctor Robert, Yellow Submarine, and tons which are too dull for me to remember.

5/10
>Abbey Road
Fuck shit poop. Boring Adult Contemporary, over sacharinne simplistic bullshit. I don't like it.

4/10 and under
>The Rest

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:51:52 No.53219951
>>53219868
All Hollywood western stuff, boooooring. I'm not listening to a movie soundtrack. The Kinks and The Beatles popularising the sitar >>>> that schlocky nonsense.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:53:24 No.53219981
>>53219938
thank you for validating my opinions of magical mystery tour
it doesn't get nearly enough credit

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:53:34 No.53219985
Whereas the Beatles knocked it out of the park with damn near every album they put out in the late 60's, the Beach Boys only had like two good album, but "SMiLE" is better than anything the Beatles did.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:54:44 No.53220007
>>53219951
>using literal orchestras to back radio pop songs
>boring

Hey everybody look at the guy who can't contextualize the state of music in the 60s mid 60s.

>>53219985
>Whereas the Beatles knocked it out of the park with damn near every album they put out in the late 60's, the Beach Boys only had like two good album

Good effort, but not quite.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:57:19 No.53220046
>>53219758
Brian wrote his best melodies after hearing Rubber Soul, I think he was influenced by it. Brian always wrote great melodies, true, but they got a lot better after Rubber Soul. And he was using a lot of more unconventional instrumentation, the unconventional instrumentation became a very large part of his music after Rubber Soul and he also became more experimental after it.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:57:59 No.53220061
>>53219951
The Beatles only started using a sitar because it was on the soundtrack to the Help! movie.

Or maybe that was the joke you were making in your post.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:58:42 No.53220071
>>53219938
>To the contrary, not a single song was written or inspired on drugs, the only exception being the opening two lyrics of I Am the Walrus, written on Mary Jane.
>what is Tomorrow Never Knows, a song literally written when John took acid and read a book that commanded him to 'turn off his mind relax and float downstream' and recorded to simulate the experience of LSD
>Sgt Pepper Despite" >muh concept" has very few good songs
Yikes, Sgt Pepper has classics on classics. Slap yourself.
>and tons which are too dull for me to remember.
the rest of the album is perfection that's why. stop hearing and start listening.
>Fuck shit poop.
Come Together is fuck shit poop? Oh! Darling is fuck shit poop? Something is fuck shit poop? Aren't you a big tough contrarian eh?
2.5/10 pls no try again

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:58:58 No.53220079
>>53220046
>Brian wrote his best melodies after hearing Rubber Soul, I think he was influenced by it. Brian always wrote great melodies, true, but they got a lot better after Rubber Soul.

>If I say the same thing twice, he'll agree with me!

>And he was using a lot of more unconventional instrumentation, the unconventional instrumentation became a very large part of his music after Rubber Soul and he also became more experimental after it.

How would his instrumentation be at all influenced by Rubber Soul? Can you point to me where he used a sitar or where Rubber Soul used bicycle bells?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:59:02 No.53220083
>>53219938
>>53219981
but actually wait you're being a dick about abbey road it has some great tracks after a weak start

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:59:20 No.53220091
>>53220007
>Whereas the Beatles knocked it out of the park with damn near every album they put out in the late 60's, the Beach Boys only had like two good album

Nope. The early Beach Boys transformed how pop was done with intricate vocal harmonies and a general revamp after Rock N Roll faded into irrelevance. The albums were far above the average of the time, and while you could criticize their consistency, there were no "album bands" at the time.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 00:59:47 No.53220097
>>53220061
I like the story but it was probably because they heard it on See My Friends and were like that's dope as fuck, lets try it, and wrote Norwegian Wood which blew Davies out the water, bless 'im.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:00:19 No.53220104
>>53220091
Wait are you responding to me or the guy I quoted? I'm guessing the latter.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:02:09 No.53220147
>>53219938
>Because
>Come Together
>I want you (She's so Heavy)
>Here comes the Sun
>Something
>You never give me your money
>Golden Slumbers / Carry that Weight / The end


>5/10
>shit poop

ayyyy

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:03:07 No.53220164
>>53220046
More than half of Pet Sounds was written before Rubber Soul entered the equation. And why disregard the 20-some-odd hit singles he wrote between '61 and '65? They were all outstandingly well-crafted pop and rock songs. If they weren't, Brian wouldn't have even gotten as far as one dozen consecutive top 10 charting albums. There are a ton of hidden gems scattered in their pre-Pet Sounds discography that weren't released as singles.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:04:36 No.53220197
>>53220164
Sloop John B was recorded before but afaik the rest of the record was quite a bit after, and after Rubber Soul raised the bar for Brian to need to step his game up.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:05:08 No.53220212
>>53220097
Considering that See My Friends was released less than a month before the theatrical release of Help!.... umm...

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:05:32 No.53220221
>>53219921
It would do you very good to separate the song from the songwriter. You make the impression as if you liked the back story more than the song itself, same thing tends to happen with Daniel Johnston. Would you like the song less if Brian Wilson was an overall happy person, even if all other musical elements were in the same place?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:05:57 No.53220229
>>53220079
He got more open to new ideas after Rubber Soul, just more open to experiment new things.

I'm not saying that the instrumentation of rubber soul influenced pet sounds per se but it was more the idea of rubber soul, that more unusual instruments can be used in a dominant way. Even though this dominant way of unusual instrumentation was brief, it was still there.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:07:45 No.53220274
>>53220197
You Still Believe in Me, Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder), Pet Sounds, Sloop John B, and I'm Waiting for the Day all predate Rubber Soul. Since Tony Asher and Brian Wilson started collaborating before Brian listened to Rubber Soul in December '65, it's likely that two or three more songs were written before then as well.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:08:04 No.53220278
>>53220212
What are you saying? I think the story of George picking it up between takes on Help! is probably a pretty little anecdote he or someone else came up with, that unfortunately isn't true. That's all. I'd love it to be true and if See My Friends didn't pre-date Norwegian Wood by a few months I'd probably buy it. Regardless, it made for an amazing and ground-breaking song, and that's the important bit, isn't it?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:08:05 No.53220279
>>53220071
The psychedelicness of Tomorrow Never Knows mostly comes from the producer and his experiments with a hamond organ. And reading a book once on acid does not mean the song was written on drugs.

>Yikes, Sgt Pepper has classics on classics. Slap yourself.
Most of the songs themselves are nowehere as memorable as many of their other works, come across as extremely basic and lazy, and only gain distinction from being overproduced.

>the rest of the album is perfection that's why. stop hearing and start listening.
Nope the entire middled portion of Revolver is abbhorent. Everything from Yellow Submarine to Got to Get You into My Life is below standard.

>Come Together is fuck shit poop? Oh! Darling is fuck shit poop? Something is fuck shit poop? Aren't you a big tough contrarian eh?
All average blues rock songs written after the genre put out it's best material. Oh Darling is a blues standard done much better by Zappa among others, Come Together is ripping off Marvin Gaye's much better Heard it Through the Grapevine.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:08:53 No.53220300
>>53220274
written or recorded? and if recorded were they complete too?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:09:36 No.53220316
>>53220229
>it was more the idea of rubber soul, that more unusual instruments can be used in a dominant way.

Rubber Soul didn't do that for Brian in December 1965, Be My Baby did it for Brian in August 1963.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:10:15 No.53220327
>>53220221
>It would do you very good to separate the song from the songwriter.

Why? It only makes sense that I would be more emotionally affected by a song that, itself, is very emotional, if it came from the songwriter's heart.

Separating the song from the songwriter isn't always a good thing to do. If you always did that then you'd be able to argue that a song written by a professional songwriter about something that songwriter hasn't actually experienced is as emotionally affecting as, I dunno, Giles Corey or something.

>>53220229
>He got more open to new ideas after Rubber Soul, just more open to experiment new things.

Citation needed. I've been humoring you this whole time but literally all of your posts have been baseless conjecture.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:11:45 No.53220370
>>53220278
Not true? Why, were you there?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:12:15 No.53220380
>>53220279
>And reading a book once on acid does not mean the song was written on drugs.
Paul confirmed it lmao you dumb ass. It's the work of a man completely infatuated with acid and a tribute to his love of it.
>Everything from Yellow Submarine to Got to Get You into My Life is below standard.
>For No One is below standard
>She Said She Said is below standard
you got ears?
>All average blues rock songs written after the genre put out it's best material
yikes, those are devastating songs that are solid audio gold. Zappa wishes he could write a song like Macca could, without his awful 'zany' Yank humour.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:12:40 No.53220391
>>53220279
>the entire middled portion of Revolver is abbhorent
>everything from Yellow Submarine to Got to Get You into My Life is below standard

>for no one
>good day sunshine
>and your bird can sing
>below standard

>fourchin

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:12:58 No.53220398
>>53220300
All of them were recorded with the exception of I'm Waiting for the Day and Sloop John B's vocals.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:19:45 No.53220535
If the Beatles were as well known as say the mother's of invention and used a little feedback on Rubber Soul, /mu/ would have more threads about them than NMH and Death Grips put together.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:22:55 No.53220606
>>53220316
Interesting, just listened to it and I can definitely hear how it influenced him.

>>53220327
Wasn't Pet Sounds his most experimental album at the time? Wasn't Rubber Soul the most experimental beatles albums at the time? Didn't he also admit that Rubber Soul was what "got him pet sounds"? I don't think it's coincidence that Brian releases his most groundbreaking and experimental album (atleast for the time being) just after the beatles release their most groundbreaking and experimental album (once again, for the time being).

Maybe Rubber Soul isn't his ultimate musical influence, but it's an influence regardless.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:24:44 No.53220648
>>53220398
source?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:26:34 No.53220677
>>53220327
I'm just saying it's a shame. Maybe if you didn't had the need to connect emotionally with the songwriter maybe you could see the beauty in some of the more emotional songs in the Beatles catalog, at least at some degree. I suppose you love John Lennon's first solo album.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:27:15 No.53220696
>>53220083
Sorry Abbey Road could have ben a good album, but it wasn't, so it isn't.

>>53220104
Sorry, honest mistake.

>>53220380
And Lennon said that he only wrote two lines on drugs. There's such a thing as pandering to trends you know.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:27:26 No.53220699
How many young kids/adults do you guys see wearing Beach Boys shirts?

Oh yeah. Pretty much no one. Meanwhile the Beatles are still popular and revered among young adults. Beach Boys are seen as an uncool surf group for conservative grandpas.

Face it Beach Butt fans, The Beatles have no only had a greater impact on music, but on culture as a whole.

100 years from now almost no one will be listening to The Beach Boys. The Beatles on the other hand will maintain the popularity they've had since they debuted in America.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:28:19 No.53220727
why are we even arguing about this? i'm sure brian and paul would think we are just being completely ridicules right.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:28:43 No.53220741
>>53220279
>Come Together is ripping off Marvin Gaye's much better Heard it Through the Grapevine.
Are you deaf?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:29:10 No.53220758
>>53220696
Writing directly while high and being inspired/influenced by drugs are different things. The Beatles all said writing and recording while high generally made for things that sounded terrible when they were sober. But they were an incredibly drug-impacted group, anyone that's listened to their stuff from '66-onwards can tell. They wrote songs about drug dealers before Lou Reed made it cool to do so.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:29:16 No.53220760
>>53220606
>Wasn't Pet Sounds his most experimental album at the time?

Not by much, but sure.

>Wasn't Rubber Soul the most experimental beatles albums at the time?

That's not saying a lot, but sure.

>Didn't he also admit that Rubber Soul was what "got him pet sounds"?

Brian is a man of few words. He has never explicitly stated that Rubber Soul didn't influence the music on Pet Sounds.

Oh wait! Yes he did.

"Listening to Rubber Soul didn’t clarify my ideas for Pet Sounds, exactly. But it inspired me. When we were listening to it that night I said to myself, “Now I’m gonna make an album just as good as Rubber Soul.” Not the same album. Obviously there can only be one album that’s Rubber Soul, just like there can only be one Pet Sounds. But it inspired me to do my own thing, and so the next morning I went to the piano and wrote God Only Knows with Tony Asher."

>I don't think it's coincidence that Brian releases his most groundbreaking and experimental album (atleast for the time being) just after the beatles release their most groundbreaking and experimental album (once again, for the time being).

Not a coincidence because it inspired him to create "a perfect album" and pushed him to try harder. There's no actual musical influence, especially not as far as instrumentation goes.

I'll say it once more: it is not an influence; it is an inspiration.

>>53220677
>I'm just saying it's a shame. Maybe if you didn't had the need to connect emotionally with the songwriter maybe you could see the beauty in some of the more emotional songs in the Beatles catalog, at least at some degree.

Oh, I can see and hear the beauty of them. They're just not emotionally affecting at all to me because the person behind the song doesn't seem emotionally affected by it. I guess I sort of buy into the tortured genius trope quite a bit.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:29:24 No.53220765
>>53218054
This. No point in nitpicking the smaller points - this is as close to a general truth as we can come in modern times, faggots.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:30:17 No.53220788
>>53220765
Why are people still "This"ing that post? It's been disproved multiple times now.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:30:24 No.53220797
>>53220699
Thank Carl or whoever for ruining their name forever. Even without that their image and earlier work is super corny today anyway, they just didn't age that well whereas The Beatles are still heartthrobs for girls and cool hippies for guys.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:31:36 No.53220826
>>53220606
Brian was getting progressively better and better with every other album he released. Because he was contractually obligated by Capitol to record like 15 albums in the span of 7 years, he was compelled to include filler, which varied in frequency from one album to the next.

I can guess that Rubber Soul impelled him to take more time with an album. If, for example, Rubber Soul came out one year earlier, we might have seen Brian combine the best tracks of Today! and Summer Days into one whole entity.

Today was worked on between mid-1964 and January 1965 while Summer Days was worked on in the early months of 1965.
Pet Sounds was worked on between mid-1965 and the early months of 1966.

See the pattern?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:31:58 No.53220834
>>53220760
Rubber Soul being the bar he tried to reach undoubtedly caused him to write more adventurous and complex compositions than he'd done previously and ergo ipso facto influenced the music. Without Rubber Soul, Pet Sounds wouldn't have reached the heights it did. Period. It would've been a different record.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:32:57 No.53220853
>>53220648
http://esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs65.html

>I'm Waiting For The Day originally was copyrighted on Feb. 1, 1964, with only slightly different lyrics. Late in the sessions for Pet Sounds, apparently in need of another song, Brian reached back for this previously-unrecorded song.
from http://www.beachboysfanclub.com/ps-tracks.html

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:33:11 No.53220859
>>53220797
>Thank Carl or whoever for ruining their name forever.

Did you just fucking smear based Carl's name out of ignorance?

Fuck off, Carl was an absolute angel and a beautiful person. He is missed very dearly.

>>53220834
>Rubber Soul being the bar he tried to reach undoubtedly caused him to write more adventurous and complex compositions than he'd done previously and ergo ipso facto influenced the music.

No, it _inspired_ the music. How complicated could this possibly be? It has no musical influence at all on Pet Sounds. Just listen to the albums and you could hear that.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:34:48 No.53220898
>>53220859
He probably meant Mike Love

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:35:22 No.53220909
Everything I got from The Beatles was disappointment. I always heard older people saying "They are bestest of the best no one has ever come close to them" or some shit but when I actually heard their music I was like meh.

The Beach Boys on the other hand were the good vibrations guys, the cool surfers. I wasn't expecting much. When I listened to Pet Sounds I was completely blown away and listened to it 3 times in a row.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:35:30 No.53220913
>>53220859
>Did you just fucking smear based Carl's name out of ignorance?
Is it Mike Love then? I can never remember all their dumb names.
>No, it _inspired_ the music. How complicated could this possibly be? It has no musical influence at all on Pet Sounds. Just listen to the albums and you could hear that.
Your idea of influence is limited to direct musical comparisons. My idea goes a bit further than that.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:36:21 No.53220932
>>53220760
Please show me the source for that quote. Btw that doesn't doesn't say that Rubber Soul didn't infuence him, only that it didn't "clarified his ideas for pet sounds", and even then he added the word "exactly" which implies that it did influence him in a way.

It's also pretty obvious that he wasn't trying to make another Rubber Soul but that doesn't mean that he completely ignored all of the musicals ideas from Rubber Soul.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:36:54 No.53220943
>>53220898
Yeah, obviously. I'm angry that he confused Mike with Carl. How can you even do that? They don't even look similar.

>Your idea of influence is limited to direct musical comparisons. My idea goes a bit further than that.

When talking about music, that is the only definition of "influence": musical influence. Hearing sounds and wanting to implement them in your own music. That did not happen between Rubber Soul and Pet Sounds.

What YOU'RE thinking of here is "inspiration".

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:37:48 No.53220967
>>53220699
By that logic Avenged Sevenfold is the best band playing right now.

>>53220758
>They wrote songs about drug dealers
When? Doctor Robert, the incredibly escapist ambiguous song which uses childish terms to avoid any kind of impact.
>before Lou Reed made it cool to do so.
Who are Eden Ahbez, The Holy Modal Rounders, 13th Floor Elevators, Jefferson Airplane, Sandy Bull, Bob Dylan, The Incredible String Band, The Yardbirds, The Rolling Stones and the Mamas and the Papas?

Even then almost all of these cases (with the exception of perhaps Dylan) as well as the beatles belonged to the nonthreatening escapist acid culture of the 60s. The Velvet Underground were one of the first bands to touch the seedy underbelly of the drug culture.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:38:32 No.53220980
>>53220943
The lines between them blur. Brian's goals and ideas for Pet Sounds were morphed by Rubber Soul. That's influence as far as I'm concerned. Also, I'm going to stop arguing this now because it's fucking sad that I'm wasting my time going back and forth over this non-point of contention.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:38:46 No.53220984
>>53220932
>Please show me the source for that quote.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=9547.0;wap2

You can sit here and pretend it's not a fair source because the article is down though. And you probably will.

>Btw that doesn't doesn't say that Rubber Soul didn't infuence him

That's literally what it said.

Christ how stubborn can you be. I'm giving you direct quotes that disprove your baseless conjecture and you're STILL pretending you're right. Just stop.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:39:47 No.53221007
>>53220967
>Doctor Robert
Obviously?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:40:03 No.53221016
>>53220980
>The lines between them blur.

No they do not.

>Brian's goals and ideas for Pet Sounds were morphed by Rubber Soul. That's influence as far as I'm concerned.

That's inspiration, not influence.

>Also, I'm going to stop arguing this now because it's fucking sad that I'm wasting my time going back and forth over this non-point of contention.

This is a very important distinction to be made and you are plugging your ears and telling me the exact same argument over and over even though I keep refuting it. Take a break from 4chan and learn how to accept that you've lost an argument.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:40:49 No.53221038
>>53221016
This is a very unimportant distinction to be made and you are plugging your ears and telling me the exact same argument over and over even though I keep refuting it. Take a break from 4chan and learn how to accept that you've lost an argument.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:42:52 No.53221081
>>53221038
Except you are doing nothing to refute my argument, and this is anything but unimportant considering how often people overstate the Beatles' influence on Brian as a songwriter and composer.

Nice "lel i'll turn his argument against him!" meme though. It's a sign of someone who's out of arguments but wants to get the last word in (ie someone who's a teenager).

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:42:54 No.53221083
>>53220984
>>53221016
>"It really did inspire the instrumentation I ended up using for Pet Sounds."
lol

Anyway, Pet Sounds is still superior album.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:42:56 No.53221084
>>53220967
>By that logic Avenged Sevenfold is the best band playing right now.

Nice job bringing in a third, completely band into the debate, Faggot. Beatles and the Beach Butt Boys have been around for over 50 years, unlike Avenged Sevenfold. whose first album came out a little over a decade ago.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:44:10 No.53221118
>>53221084
completely different*

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:44:11 No.53221120
>>53221081
Neither are you lel

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:45:28 No.53221154
>>53220984
All that quote says it that Rubber Soul "didn't clarified his ideas for pet sounds" and then he even adds the word "exactly" implying that it influenced him to a certain level (yes and I know i'm repeating myself but seems like you ignored this part of my post). If anything, your source helps MY argument.

Pet Sounds didn't clarified the ideas for any Beatles albums i'm sure, but it still influenced them musically, same story with Brian. The musical influence of Brian on the Beatles is greater than the one of The Beatles to Brian, but it's still there.

Also your source is just fine.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:47:00 No.53221181
>>53220984
oh and forgot to mention that he literally says in YOUR source "It really did inspire the instrumentation I ended up using for Pet Sounds. "

Now can you admit that the beatles influence him musically?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:47:56 No.53221205
>>53221083
Dude, are you joking? I have literally been saying this _entire time_ that Rubber Soul INSPIRED Pet Sounds because it's factually true. It did not influence it.

>>53221154
You keep saying true statements but replacing "influence" with "inspiration". Please stop.

>>53221181
Yes, INSPIRE. Not INFLUENCE.

They are not. The same. Thing.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:48:19 No.53221219
>>53220980
Read that as Brian's goats.
>>53221007
Well, Doctor Robert being about a drug dealer is one of the most inconsequential things in the universe. It's like the fact that Blurred Lines is about Cocaine. It's still a stupid song which fails to make an emotional impact besides the tired flower child imagery (i.e. the Loving Spoonful's Do You Believe in Magic) that a million bands had already been using.

>Beatles and the Beach Butt Boys have been around for over 50 years
But you are still saying popularity is a basis for an argument on how good a band is. By that logic Avenged Sevenfold's t shirt prominence could easily be used to argue how much better they are than say... Animal Collective or Neutral Milk Hotel.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:49:20 No.53221248
>>53221219
Mean to add
>>53221084

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:50:20 No.53221274
The Beatles are better because of Paul McCartney. Paul McCartney is easily the best songwriter of the 20th century.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:51:03 No.53221296
>>53221219
Just another drug influence on their music, is all
>>53221274
>tfw Beach Bollocks fanboys can't see Band On The Run is as good as any Beach Ballsack album
feels sad mane

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:53:25 No.53221353
>>53221205
You are not making any sense anymore. I can just claim that the beatles were only inspired by the beach boys and not influenced by them. Both of them influenced each other.

Depends on your next post, this might be my last of this thread as i'm getting tired. I'm actually having a lot of fun discussing with you about this lol.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:53:33 No.53221358
>>53221296
>Just another drug influence on their music, is all

You keep listing drug influences, how does this make them a better band again?

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:54:52 No.53221396
>>53221205
Look up inspire in the dictionary. Influence is a synonym. You're a moron.

Also, it's obvious The Beatles had far more of an influence on The Beach Boys than vice versa.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:54:52 No.53221398
Sorry but the Beach Boys fucking suck outside of Pet Sounds.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:55:15 No.53221407
>>53221358
It made for music I prefer to Brian's stuff. I mean, Strawberry Fields? Come on, I loooove Heroes & Villians/Good Vibrations but nothing's touching that. Sorry.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:56:33 No.53221438
>>53221353
>I can just claim that the beatles were only inspired by the beach boys and not influenced by them.

That's demonstrably wrong though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdCKdwxWGt4

This was musically influenced by the Beach Boys.

>Look up inspire in the dictionary. Influence is a synonym. You're a moron.

Not when discussing music. Influence implies MUSICAL influence. In interviews when someone says "Yeah, that band was a huge influence on me." it means that band was an influence on their music.

Do you even listen to music? How do people not know this?

>Also, it's obvious The Beatles had far more of an influence on The Beach Boys than vice versa.

Completely incorrect.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:56:43 No.53221443
>>53221398
>He hasn't heard Today or Surf's Up

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:57:13 No.53221451
>>53221443
Yeah, I have heard Surfs Up and the Smile Sessions. They're bad.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:57:37 No.53221464
>>53221358
>>53221407
As an addendum, stuff like Strawberry Fields created whole little universes of sound I could get lost in. I just never felt that kind of impact from BB stuff.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:59:21 No.53221500
>>53221398
Except for Smile, Surfs Up, Today!, All Summer Long, Sunflower, and numerous singles in an era when an album based rock band could be found among the Unicorn and the Loch Ness monster.

>>53221407
I would agree Strawberry Fields is a very good song, but for it's musical qualities (constantly shifting tones and tempos) not because 420blazeitmoswagmomoney.

Musically they are still well below the beach boys in terms of pop songwriting and they aren't as consistent as many people say they are.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 01:59:48 No.53221511
>>53221083
see >>53219868

not even Brian knows what the fuck he's talking about

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 02:00:02 No.53221518
>>53220147
I want you (she's so heavy) is literally the only good song

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 02:00:07 No.53221522
>>53217857
>listened to beatles throughout his childhood
>convinced they are good
>too stubborn to think otherwise
every beatles fan ever. luckily, i didnt so i know they are overrated shit pop. listened to beach boys later in life, and now i understand they had much more impact with songwriting. this whole brit-is-high-culture influence the schools bring with shakespeare and shit is really doing some damage on fragile minds

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 02:01:08 No.53221545
>>53221500
They're more consistent than the Beach Boys, who were a one album wonder.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 02:02:00 No.53221567
>>53221451
>>53221398
there's no accounting for taste after all

>Sorry, but cake absolutely fucking sucks outside of chocolate.
>Yeah, I have tried sponge and strawberry. They're bad.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 02:03:29 No.53221605
>>53221500
Drugs and their willingness to adventure into new worlds of composition and musicianship are hand-in-hand, they've been very open about that. A little weed is not going to make you want to record Tomorrow Never Knows. Musically they effect me much more-so than Pet Sounds or Smiley Smile could. It's a style thing, really. Too much Beach Boys stuff is squeaky clean and pretty for my tastes. Also, consistently The Beatles have over any band ever. Especially The Beach Boys.

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Anonymous 2015-01-30 02:03:32 No.53221607
>>53221451
But not Today? That one is pretty similar to Pet Sounds, at least sonically. Give em another listen, if you really liked Pet Sounds they'll eventually grow on you, believe me.







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