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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:33:48 No.37848606

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Is there any dark classical music?

Like, I know of Mozart's Requiem, Lacrimosa and all that, but what else?


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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:35:27 No.37848637
do you mean classical as in the time period, or classical as in the whole overarching genre?

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:38:04 No.37848699
>>37848637
"Western Art Music"

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Tallis 2013-07-03 18:38:54 No.37848716
No composer of talent and genius like Mozart would have composed pompous and ridicule pieces like the Lacrimosa. It was composed by one of his students.

Of course there is dark classical music. It's mostly retarded post-romantic hubris, though.

Some interesting "dark" classical music would be Gesulado's madrigals.

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:41:52 No.37848774
>>37848606
Bruckner offers some hefty dark shit

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:42:44 No.37848791
>>37848774
anything in particular?

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btrl 2013-07-03 18:43:15 No.37848802
>>37848716
Hey Tallis, what would you say are Woflie's best works?

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:44:02 No.37848818
>>37848802
his magnum opus is clearly symphony no. 40

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Tallis 2013-07-03 18:44:19 No.37848821
>>37848716
>>37848774
>It's mostly retarded post-romantic hubris

>mfw next post is about Bruckner

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btrl 2013-07-03 18:44:50 No.37848831

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>>37848818
This is why I asked Tallis and not anon :^)

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punkrawk 2013-07-03 18:45:31 No.37848847

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>>37848716

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:45:37 No.37848851
Pretty much everything middle and late Scriabin.

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Tallis 2013-07-03 18:46:42 No.37848873
>>37848802
His clarinet concerto In A, K.622 or >>37848818

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btrl 2013-07-03 18:47:21 No.37848883

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>>37848873
God damnit.

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punkrawk 2013-07-03 18:47:23 No.37848887
give this a listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtU74Yxb_TQ
even better when you know the composers back story a little bit

he was interned in a chinese concentration camp for several years and went partially deaf due to the beatings he took.

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:47:43 No.37848900
Not "classical" but Prokofiev has some pretty crazy shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p7fO189Li8

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:49:14 No.37848934
I'd say serial music gets pretty dark. Arnold Schoenberg, some of Charles Ives stuff, even some Aaron Copland is pretty dark. Most notably his piano concertos.

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:49:38 No.37848943
do you even serialism

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Tallis 2013-07-03 18:50:39 No.37848961
>>37848851
>Scriabin
>dark

Except his 9th piano sonata, I don't see what you are talking about.

Chromatic language=/=dark
Harmonic 'serialism'=/=dark

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:51:05 No.37848972

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>>37848887

>dat first chord

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Tallis 2013-07-03 18:51:58 No.37848989
>>37848887
>went partially deaf

I can tell.

>>37848943
Dissonance=/=darkness

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:52:33 No.37849003
Leonard Bernstein's Symphony No. 3

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punkrawk 2013-07-03 18:53:04 No.37849020
>>37848989

>mfw you're the kind of person that turns people off from classical music

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:54:10 No.37849041
Liszt
Saint-Saëns

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btrl 2013-07-03 18:54:18 No.37849045

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>>37848887
I probably wouldn't necessarily call it dark, but this is pretty neat.

>>37848989
>Dissonance=/=darkness
While I agree to some extent, I also think a lot of people do associate dissonance (read: discord, discomfort) with darkness. It's been used so much in film and video game music for that effect to socially condition people.

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:54:42 No.37849054
>>37848989
Dissonance =/= darkness? Dissonance creates a very dark and unsettling atmosphere.

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:54:52 No.37849060
>>37849003
which composer though? Beethoven?

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:55:16 No.37849070
>>37848989
i guess it's hard to be 'dark' in classical music because there's no room for edgy lyrics about elves and fairies like in metal

>>37849020
this

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:55:23 No.37849072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wgJx-IpWfo

Gesualdo's music is frightening and dark, especially the pieces he composed after he murdered his wife

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:55:47 No.37849080
>>37849060
No, Leonard Bernstein is the composer

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:55:50 No.37849081
>>37849020
Nah, not for me. He is educated and seeing this thread made me want to know a lot more about classical.

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:56:15 No.37849092
>>37849072
>murdered his wife
Now why'd he do that?

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:56:34 No.37849102
>>37849060
No, Leonard Bernstein is the composer of his own Symphony No. 3

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punkrawk 2013-07-03 18:57:00 No.37849110
>>37849081

you can be educated without being a total dick and dismissing other's opinions.

I have a music degree and you don't see my running around so edgy LOL UR CLASSICAL SUX NOT EVEN DARK

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punkrawk 2013-07-03 18:57:58 No.37849132
>>37848972

that shit gives me chills everytime

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:58:11 No.37849140
>>37849092
she cheated on him. The bitch deserved it, and it helped him too. He became genius composer from all his sorrow and anguish

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btrl 2013-07-03 18:58:44 No.37849151
>>37848900
I'm fairly certain OP didn't mean classical as in the period, but as in "western art music".

>>37849072
This kind of music isn't dark to me. I dunno, I don't really associate most liturgical music with that kind of atmosphere. This counts as liturgical music, right? "Sacred music" either way. It's almost more uplifting to my ears.

>>37849110
>I have a music degree
:^)

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:59:07 No.37849161
>>37849092
Cause it was legal if your wife was a fucking whore. Good times.

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 18:59:54 No.37849177
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk717tZzKkk

I know this doesn't count since the second half isn't dark, but the first part is so passionate and melancholic

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punkrawk 2013-07-03 19:00:14 No.37849185
bumpan with shosty 5

a must listen for anyone, it's a masterpiece.

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punkrawk 2013-07-03 19:00:44 No.37849195
>>37849185
oops

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FF4HyB77hQ

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 19:01:47 No.37849213
>>37849195
his 10th is the best

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btrl 2013-07-03 19:01:54 No.37849216

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>>37849177
First part sounds like The Sims shopping music.

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 19:01:59 No.37849221
>>37849151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_MmCv08PVE

this piece is definitely more sorrowful and anguished filled

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 19:03:10 No.37849245
Charles Ives, specifically, "The Unanswered Question," gets darker as it progresses.

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 19:03:36 No.37849256
>>37849216
Well then you know where The Sims got it

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 19:03:40 No.37849259
>>37849213
also, on the note of shostakovich, his 8th string quartet is pretty dark

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punkrawk 2013-07-03 19:03:43 No.37849260
>>37849245

>charles ives

mah nigga

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btrl 2013-07-03 19:04:39 No.37849278
>>37849221
Y-yawn?

>>37849260
See >>37848934

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Tallis 2013-07-03 19:05:04 No.37849293

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>>37849045
I agree, but in the case of Scriabin, dissonance is often used to evoke religious or sublime feelings. I don't think anyone listening to the link below would find this music dark, even though some of it is purely atonal. He uses a progression of chromatic major seventh chords to illustrate ecstasy in his 'poem of ecstasy'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kSSawB3-cQ
(3:10) (5:50)


Pic related is some real dark and dissonant music, without being kitsch.

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Tallis 2013-07-03 19:06:58 No.37849344
>>37849110
You didn't get it, though. I said dark classical music most often was pompous post-romantic hubris, before anyone posted any pompous post-romantic music. I wasn't dismissing anyone's opinion.

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btrl 2013-07-03 19:08:17 No.37849378
>>37849293
Well no, I'm just saying I think dissonance is more associated with darkness than harmonic niceness is. Especially when stuff resolves it has, to most people, a very uplifting effect. Think codas.

I won't comment on Scriabin's music because I haven't listened to a great deal of it (I should, though!)

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Resident 2013-07-03 19:09:01 No.37849395
don giovanni

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Tallis 2013-07-03 19:09:53 No.37849418
>>37849151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_MmCv08PVE

Listen to this one. It's O Vos Omnes. Listen closely at 0:44, you'll hear a pretty harsh semitone, it sets a pretty dark atmosphere for the rest of the piece.

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 19:10:38 No.37849434
>>37849418
he yawned at it, I'm not sure if he was being sarcastic

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btrl 2013-07-03 19:12:24 No.37849471

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Also I think instrumentation is much more detrimental to the overall atmosphere than the composition is.

There, I said it. Sorry.

>>37849418
>>37849434
Yeah, it was linked a bit further up. I'm not really a fan of choral madrigals, I think. I think the chord at 1:53 makes for a darker atmosphere, but then it resolves and it's all just really bright and bubbly again.

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Tallis 2013-07-03 19:13:41 No.37849509

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>>37849072
The opening semitone here is also pretty intense. I tried adding this kind of dissonances into compositions once and my musicians handed me back the score.

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btrl 2013-07-03 19:14:17 No.37849530
>>37849509
What software do you use for your scores, by the way?

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Anonymous 2013-07-03 19:16:22 No.37849577
>>37849509
Lel, they're probably use to the chromaticism in Mozart's music

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Tallis 2013-07-03 19:16:52 No.37849597
>>37849530
Finale and Musescore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YNMJhaIyh4







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