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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:19:00 No.519591

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Twitchtv is the biggest game streaming platform, and is the most posted website on /vg/, yet we have to go through the completely arbitrary spoilering part of it so it isn't recognised as spam. there's literally no reason for it to be recognised as spam, aside from the "hurrr were edgy 4chan isnt this fanny?xD"

please remove it from the spam filter.


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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:21:18 No.519595
>>519591
> "hurrr were edgy 4chan isnt this fanny?xD"

you took the wrong approach, the shitposting was not necessary as part of your inquiry

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:21:59 No.519596
lil b

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:22:08 No.519597
>>519595
I didn't really understand what was so edgy about it in the first place.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:22:31 No.519598
The reason it's banned is because people kept spamming links to their own stream on /v/ in an attempt to gain viewers.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:22:39 No.519599
>>519595
I dont think it matters because op is right. There is no advertising going on with twitch and its the biggest streamer site.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:23:02 No.519600
>>519595
It wasn't meant as a shitpost but I can't see any other reason for not allowing us to post one of the most relevant websites on /vg/.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:24:32 No.519603
>not knowing how to get around name filters

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:24:37 No.519604
I am posting just to say I agree with OP.

Toodles.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:24:41 No.519605
Could I propose a /vg/ lift on the ban?

Might be better than lifting it on /v/ as well.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:24:43 No.519606
I agree.
It's really a big hassle to post stream links in generals at /vg/.

Should at least allow it there.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:25:24 No.519607
It just requires a few spoiler tags here and there.

I mean, lifting it on /vg/ would be alright I guess, since a few generals generally have streams to watch.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:26:11 No.519608
>>519603
We all know how to get around it, and I even said how in the OP, but we shouldn't have to do that.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:26:12 No.519609
There was probably a problem with people spamming threads to get their viewer counts up, but you can do that for a lot of sites. Why don't we ban youtube, too?

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:26:38 No.519610
>>519598
and the same thing is already happening on /vg/. keep the filter, please. all relevant streams can be looked up on other sites.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:26:44 No.519611
>>519606
It's not really a hassle but it is an inconvenience for no real reason.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:26:51 No.519612

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>>519598
Just because a few /b/rothers spam their stream on the 4chan's facebook page it doesnt mean it is happening on /vg/.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:27:20 No.519616
/vg/ should have it unblocked, as it's used a lot in esports games and is easily by-passable, making it unnecessarily silly.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:27:54 No.519617
It's pretty annoying when you are creating a thread and receive "OUR SYSTEM THINKS YOUR POST IS SPAM", and honestly if people wanted to advertise shit the filter wouldn't stop it. It just annoys the people who isn't spamming it.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:28:52 No.519619
I agree with all the people that want twitch unbanned on /vg/.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:29:27 No.519620
I agree it should be lifted on /vg/, in the average 750 post League of Legends General, there is MAYBE 1 person posting their own stream; so spamming shouldn't be an issue. In League threads at least, don't personally visit other generals so I suppose there's a chance it could be a problem there.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:29:38 No.519621
I don't see anything wrong with people posting their own streams, few people like to watch fellow /vg/ees playing games and what not, and some are really tallented.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:30:15 No.519622
>>519620
It doesn't happen very often in Dota 2 General either.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:30:15 No.519623
I think people are conditioned enough nowadays to not spam their twitch streams 24/7 after having the word being flagged for a long while now.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:31:42 No.519625

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>>519612
https://archive.foolz.us/vg/search/text/http%20twitch/

if anything we need a better filter

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:32:01 No.519626
>>519620
Not a problem in FGG.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:32:17 No.519629
>>519621
people are posting their streams regardless of the filter if at all. no reason to make posting the stream links harder, since everyone knows how to get around it

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:32:49 No.519630
>>519625
But that isnt a spam.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:32:54 No.519631
I agree, not like it matters anyway

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:34:12 No.519632
>>519630
That's spam in the sense that it's useless and just advertising streams.

Spam just doesn't mean constantly posting it over and over.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:36:55 No.519634
>>519625
I think the point is that is hardly advertising or spamming. People want to see those streams and people in those threads regularly watch them.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:40:23 No.519637
>>519634
>hardly advertising or spamming

How is it not advertising? I don't think those are the "pro players" streams like you think they are.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:40:44 No.519638

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>>519634
how is this not advertising? people who genuinely want to watch the streams can do so by browsing the twitch homepage. links to streams of major events can be found on other websites.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:42:46 No.519640
>>519638
It's a lot easier to get links from the thread and they get posted anyway, so why make it a hassle for no reason.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:43:33 No.519642
>>519638
its helpful for "where do i watch mlg" "what are >we watching?" "can someone show me how to do X in TvZ? any vods?" "come check out this restream" etc

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:43:54 No.519643
>>519638

That seems like its more just one idiot who needs to be reported for spamming/advertising as opposed to an epidemic of people each spamming their own stream.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:46:32 No.519647
>>519638
This. So much this. I asked moot about this a while ago in another thread on /q/, and I think he gave a similar response about how there are other websites/twitch page that do this and there's no reason to post them on 4chan.

Especially in the cases of
>hey guys shitter here, here's my stream come watch me play
It's just blatant advertising and there are very little to no one interested in it.

>>519642
Maybe if people would stop posting past the spam filter we wouldn't have posts like that. It's not hard to find streams. There are extensions for certain games (League), there's a whole website that is the medium for streaming and tells you who is online.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:50:00 No.519648
>>519647
I only go to FGG and I can tell you streams don't get spammed at all. Very rarely someone that's from the general streams and when they do people watch, no one complains.
Besides, as I said, they already get posted, so no reason to make it harder than it should be.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:53:04 No.519652
>>519647
whats wrong with those posts though?

people post them anyway and its just annoying to have to filter it

besides, when people advertise their own streams, which is rather rare, it's because theyre looking for help/have had a request to stream

people can always ignore it if they dont want to watch; isn't that moots ultimate solution for everything

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:56:27 No.519657
>>519648
>they already get posted, so no reason to make it harder than it should be
while we're at it, let's remove captchas, too. there's already a lot of spam and shitposts on 4chan, why make it harder than it should be? what could go wrong?

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 18:58:18 No.519659

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>>519625
>>519638
Oh yeah, now I remember why we have this filter.
I forgot about that shit.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:02:05 No.519665
>>519657
That's stupid. As I said, streams don't get spammed on /vg/ (at least in FGG) even though the filter is easy to ignore so it's not a problem in the first place. It just makes it harder to post streams people are interested in.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:06:09 No.519670
>>519665
>It just makes it harder to post streams
good, that's the point of the filter. it's there for a reason.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:07:05 No.519673
>>519652
>What wrong with these posts
The fact that it's against the rules and it's bypassing the spam filter.
>People post them anyways why make it harder
See >>519657
>besides, when people advertise their own streams, which is rather rare, it's because theyre looking for help/have had a request to stream
If they have a request to stream, the people who actually want to watch the stream already know where they can find it most likely. There's also a search feature on Twitch, you can look up streamers, follow their channels, look at their vods etc.
>people can ignore it/moots solution
Yeah people can ignore it, but the fact still remains that it's advertising, spam and unwanted posts. It offers nothing to the topic at hand. When someone posts a stream, the thread boils down to a chatroom (Which twitch has integrated into it) and takes up posts, causing less room for the discussion of the topic/thread at hand. Granted threads can make their own "rules", but you also have to abide by the rules of 4chan too. I'm guessing the reason the spam filter hasn't changed to make it harder to get through it is the simple fact that once someone finds a way to bypass it, it's going to happen just like it is now. Why bother working on it/upkeeping it when at the moment it somewhat discourages people from posting already. Granted those people who really do want to advertise the stream will do it.

As I said before, there are other websites that do this for you. You don't have to post a link to find a stream.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:07:18 No.519674
>>519670
>that people are interested in
herp-a-derp.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:08:39 No.519676
>>519674
if people were really interested in watching those streams they'd be browsing the twitch homepage, rather than waiting for a link to pop up on 4chan.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:08:40 No.519677
>>519673
There are sites to discuss video games too. Should we ban video games discussion on /vg/?

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:10:25 No.519682
>>519676
People are lazy. Besides, as I said there is no reason to have these banned other than you hating streams for som reason. No one ever spams them in FGG, it's not a problem.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:11:53 No.519684
>>519682
Exactly. People are lazy, and because people are bypassing the spam filter, they will continue to be lazy.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:12:05 No.519685
>>519682
>No one ever spams them in FGG, it's not a problem.
this just confirms that the filter is working as intended, why change it?

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:17:40 No.519697
>>519677
Why would you ban the discussion of video games on a video game board?

Is there a streaming board somewhere that I don't know about?

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:18:06 No.519698
>>519685
No, it confirms people don't spam streams on /vg/ and the filter is useless. People could spam their stream if they really wanted with relative ease with this filter, but they don't do it.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:19:29 No.519703
>>519697
Because streams of video games are an integral part of competitive video games which are discussed on /vg/. By this reasoning, news and review sites should be banned on /v/, because they are not video games. Hell, even youtube should.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:21:50 No.519706
>>519685
No, it does not.
Just because people aren't posting streams doesn't mean it's the filter that's stopping them. The filter is basically video game DRM.

Ineffective and easy to bypass, but an inconvenience to people just trying to post.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:22:01 No.519707

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>>519698
but they do, refer to >>519625
fgg is not the only general on /vg/, just because it doesn't happen in the only general you browse doesn't mean it doesn't happen anywhere else.
anyway, i'm done. i hope moot won't change a thing. good luck with your proposal, though.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:22:20 No.519708
>>519676
People discuss the streams in generals a lot since esports tournaments are generally broadcasted over them. As a result, we get a lot of people asking for streams that we can't link to directly without filter-dodging.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:23:58 No.519711
>>519707
>Cherry picking posts probably threads apart
>Links to teamspooky, a very well known streamer of the pro fighting game scene

Do you really think it's a teamspooky viral marketer posting on /vg/ or something? That's utterly nonsensical.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:29:03 No.519715
>>519703
>>519708
Most of the time, pretty much all of the time, the people who want to watch competitive video games know where to watch it, when it's on and who is playing.

This comes back to my point from before
>>519684
If we just keep spoonfeeding people information, they will never learn.

Next time someone asks for a stream that you are all watching and posting about, tell the person to go on twitch and look for the name. You don't have to directly post a link to the stream. People will eventually learn.

In League of Legends, when the LCS is going on it's is the highest stream viewer count on and it's completely obvious for anyone who wants to find the stream to find it.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:30:16 No.519716
>>519715
But that's exactly the same as just posting the link. You're still giving them the information which is what you seem to be more angry about than the actual linking.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:33:24 No.519720
>>519716
There's a different between a stream where literally the whole thread/posters are watching and some shitter posting his stream that he's streaming on his computer asking for donations and trying to get more views by posting here.

The later is the one the spam filter is *trying* to stop.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:34:27 No.519721
>>519720
And usually, the stream where literally the whole thread is watching is posted in the OP. If someone asks people a lot of the time just direct them to the OP.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:35:13 No.519722
>>519715
In most of the pro gaming scenes that are discussed on /vg/, there are usually a dozen or even more people/organizations who stream gameplay.

So rather than allow us to post it directly, you'd rather force us to go through several extra steps for no reason other than "hurr durr no spoonfeeding". 9 times out of 10, the responding anon will just post the stream anyways. Face it, the filter is completely ineffective, to both spammers and to regular posters. So why not just remove the damn thing and have janitors/mods do their fucking job and respond to spam reports?

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:35:37 No.519723
>>519721
that's what we do in the dota general and it works just fine.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:39:44 No.519727
>>519722
So now you're talking about how the spam filter doesn't work and is ineffective.

That is true, and that's why it should be reworked and improved so we don't have to have threads like this anymore.

When it comes down to it, moot is going to make 3 decisions if it becomes a big enough issue.

1.Improve it
2. Remove it
3. Do nothing about it

It will likely be 1 or 3.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:45:26 No.519734
>>519727
>It should be made even more of a nuisance to fix a non-existent problem

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:47:18 No.519736
>>519734
if it wasn't a problem, why do you think moot implemented the filter in the first place? just for fun?

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:47:50 No.519737
>>519707
Sorry to be late, but teamsp00ky is one of the biggest and most known tournament streamers for fighting games.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:50:54 No.519742
>>519736
Because it was a problem on /v/. However, in case you hadn't noticed, /vg/ is not /v/. They are, in fact, two separate boards with /vg/ being much slower. So why treat them the same with a retarded filter?

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:52:19 No.519744
>>519736
It was a problem back on /v/ when people would spam their streams and people didn't really use twitch for tournaments. It's not a problem on /vg/ any more where twitch is actually used for things related to discussion.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:52:23 No.519745
>>519742
Because it's still the same website.

The filter isn't just applied to 2 boards, btw.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:52:29 No.519746
>there's literally no reason for it to be recognised as spam, aside from the "hurrr were edgy 4chan isnt this fanny?xD"
>/vg/ in charge of not being autistic whiny babies or knowing what they're talking about

It was put in the spam filter in the first place for a reason, and that's because people used to make shitty threads bumping their thread every minute with irrelevant garbage and everybody got sick of it so it was banned and filtered.

That said, should it still be filtered on /vg/? Maybe not since just posting them in general threads seems fine to me.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:53:17 No.519747
>>519707
those are both really popular fighting game streams are you stupid

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:54:06 No.519749
>>519745
You can easily set the filter to only one board. Keep it on /v/ and lose it on /vg/.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 19:57:59 No.519751
>>519745
>Same website [4chan]
>Filter on a massive VIDEO GAME streaming site is somehow relevant outside of /v/ and /vg/
That means nothing. Notice the original argument
>Twitch should not be recognized as spam on /vg/
It's possible to create a filter on select boards and not make it site-wide. Look at /b/ for examples. So, leave the filter on /v/, remove it from /vg/. It's that simple.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:00:04 No.519753
Please read the global rules before posting on /q/

>Advertising (all forms) is also not welcome - this includes any type of referral linking, "offers", soliciting, begging, stream threads, etc.

Any twitch link is a form of advertisement and therefore against the global rules. People who are interested in watching those streams can do so by clicking on the channel on the twitch homepage. There's a reason twitch links are filtered and I hope it stays that way. In my opinion the filter should even be improved, to prevent the shit you see here >>519625

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:03:20 No.519757
>>519753
>Any twitch link is a form of advertisement
No it's not. If you honestly think that, then you should say talking about any game is advertisement for that game. Posting a trailer of a game on youtube is advertisement for both the game and the channel with the trailer.

"Stream threads" there are not "posting a tounrament stream in the thread", they are the old /v/ stream threads where a retard would just post "Playing xxx, get in here!" and then would bump the thread for hours while no one cared. That's advertising your own stream, not posting sp00ky's stream to follow the tournament with FGG.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:09:48 No.519764
>>519757
>No it's not.
where's the difference between 'hey guys, watch my stream' and 'hey guys, watch that guys stream'?

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:11:14 No.519766
>>519753
Stream links are not advertising. It doesn't even fall under any of the situations the rule mentions. Posting a tournament stream or a pro player's stream in a thread dedicated to the game they're playing is not advertising. People talking about Day9's stream in an SC2 thread are not linking Day9 to benefit themselves, but because it's related to the topic at hand.

Honestly, don't just spout (unrelated) global rules as an end-all to the discussion.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:12:37 No.519768
>>519764

Because the vast majority of Twitch streams that get linked on /vg/ are tournament streams. And those that aren't are usually pro players or popular trips. Only a small number of random shitters actually advertise their streams in the threads.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:13:09 No.519769
>>519764
The difference is that in the first case it's a guy advertising himself, the second case it's actually relevant to discussion.
Honestly, I have no problem if someone posts themselves streaming as long as they don't spam it. /vg/ threads are closer to a community than /v/. The only reason it got banned on /v/ in the first place is that faggots created threads and kept them bumped for hours while no one cared, not that people were streaming in itself.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:14:32 No.519770
>>519764
>"Hey guys, watch my stream!"
>Bumps a thread he created specifically to advertise his stream repeatedly to try and gain viewers for himself

>"Hey guys, watch that guy's stream!"
>Multiple people discuss a stream about the game for no self-benefit other than interest in the stream and discussion

Do you even know what advertising means? I feel like that would be pretty helpful to form a cohesive argument.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:15:44 No.519772
>>519768
you didn't answer my question.

>>519766
>Stream links are not advertising.
but it's exactly that.
>the action of calling something to the attention of the public

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:18:07 No.519773
>>519772
By that definition when you start a STALKER thread on /v/ you are advertising STALKER. Can't you see how stupid that is?

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:19:07 No.519774
>>519772
>For the purpose of marketing a product or service
You forgot the other half of the definition. Do you think a group of people discussing whether or not they prefer Coke vs Pepsi is advertising? They're calling attention to the product, after all, and according to your definition it is.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:20:59 No.519776
>>519774
>or service
yes, twitch streams are a service that make money by showing ads to their viewers. thank you for proving my point.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:21:49 No.519777
>>519776
The same goes for youtube videos. Why isn't youtube banned?

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:23:01 No.519778
>>519777
good question. it really should be.

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Anonymous 2013-03-30 20:24:23 No.519779
>>519776
You're not even trying anymore.
Anons discussing a stream aren't marketing the stream, you dunce. Is talking about what Merlini is doing on his stream in a Dota 2 General advertising Twitch or Merlini? Is talking about video games advertising that game?

Under your draconian definitions, all of /vg/ and /v/ is pure advertising. Let's purge the boards, then.







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