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Either the universe has always existed, or it originated from nothing. This is atleast my understanding of it.
After thinking about this for a while, it dawned on me that... Maybe these two are, in a literal sense, the exact same thing? The standard response when asking a physicist what happened before the big bang is that the question is meaningless. Time did not exist prior to the universe appearing. And so, my thought is that, with this being true, a universe coming into being from nothing is essentially a universe that has always existed, since its creation necessarily was the beginning of time itself. It does not make sense to ask what came before, and so in the same sense it does not make sense to say that the universe did not exist prior to its existence, because when there is nothing, there is also not a lack of something (I'm not sure I'm wording this properly, but I hope you get what I'm trying to say)...
I'm a pleb law student whose understanding of science/math is superficial at best; I'd just like some actual science people to weigh in on this. Am I being retarded or does this actually make sense? I feel that I didn't really capture my thoughts properly in the words that I wrote, but I did the best I could (English is my second language) so if there's something you want me to expound on, tell me and I'll give it a try.
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I typically do not agree with the "engineers are gay" rants on this board and considered it an example of what makes this board lacking in substance. But I experienced something first hand that single-handily changed my opinion of most engineering students.
I was at a party, casually chatting with an engineer and a few other people. The engineer didn't know I studied mathematics and naturally assumed he was the most intelligent person in the room. He initially said he is logical and can poke holes in arguments until people jokingly tell him to "stop". He bragged about using logic over emotions.
He asked what I studied, trying to impress the women at the party with his brilliance, and I told him I studied pure math. At some point the conversation got into undecidable problems. The engineer profusely disagreed that any problem in mathematics was undecidable. He proclaimed as an engineer that "EVERY PROBLEM HAS TO HAVE A SOLUTION/BE DECIDABLE. EVERY PROBLEM HAS A SOLUTION!" -- His logical mind couldn't listen to the mathematical proofs that this simply isn't true.
The people in the room was impressed with him and continued to think he was brilliant. They were impressed that this guy could solve undecidable problems and that the engineering mindset was such problem solving intensive, more so than any mathematician's ability. I didn't even bother with the guy, but it made me dislike engineers.
/sci/ you guys are my brothers. I opened my eyes and now I see what engineers are like. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt and now I' on shaky grounds.
It made me realize the most complex math is they do is considered baby math to me.