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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:45:40 No.43598415

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OH GOD THE BUGS edition

RESOURCES

http://www.mtgcommander.net
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.

http://www.tappedout.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.

http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.

http://manabasecrafter.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.

CARD SEARCHING

http://gatherer.com
>Official search site. Current for all sets but has a terrible UI.

http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface


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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:46:59 No.43598435
Need tips for helping with this casual cat deck of fun

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/test-cat-deck-1/

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:53:18 No.43598544
Salty about more shit RW commanders general.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:55:19 No.43598586
>OH GOD THE BUGS edition
NOT THE BUGS

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:57:15 No.43598625
>>43598544
Being bad is their part of the color pie.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:58:13 No.43598646
>>43598544
>That image
Implying that hypothetical situation wouldn't put the Azorious lawmage in violation of decree 26378483904837 against the consumption of magicaholic beverages.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:59:48 No.43598678
What would you do to fix monowhite and monored?

Does it fit the color pie?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:00:10 No.43598686
>>43598646
It's fine, she filed for a permit over two months ago. Do azorius girls lose all inhibitions in bed

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:01:11 No.43598701
>>43598686
I don't know but Rakdos girls lose all inhibitions everywhere else.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:02:05 No.43598721
Rules lawyers are the shittiest and most unfun people to play with.

This isn't competitive REL, even at SCG events and pods.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:03:27 No.43598745
>>43598678
Monored is really tough because there are actually a few very competitive monored commanders despite how bad the colour is overall. Every time you bring something to the board for Kazuul or Diaochan, you gotta worry about Krenko or Daretti inching their way up.

I think monowhite only needs better ways to get advantage on colour though.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:03:33 No.43598747
>>43598678
Card draw
No
but seriously every other color has reliable card draw which is what makes them good so why can't red or white? Red's getting better but still

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:04:39 No.43598777
Can you guys help me make/edit my first tri-color deck? Sultai for that matter.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-11-15-work/

Trying to utilize graveyard play and making sacrificing part of my strategy. Should I run more green mana ramps or blue draw cards? Any cards you would recommend or remove?

Green/White Weenie deck was pretty easy for me to learn but I'm honestly having trouble working this Sultai deck out.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:06:26 No.43598806
>>43598586
THE BUUUUGS

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:08:44 No.43598841
>>43598701
Only if they enter the bedroom with a +1/+1 counter.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:08:57 No.43598845
>>43598678
Card flow.
No, really, that's it. A way to get cards into hand again. In 60 cards Magic, this isn't really a problem because the games are over quickly, but EDH is all a game about card flow and that's solely the reason why red and white are the worst colors in it and blue and green the best.

Which is funny because I think white is the best support color and UWx or GWx are some of the best colors, since card advantage + a way to answer literally everything is too good.

Just make some other more efficient elkin draw cards in red and give white some more ways to draw cards and they'll get a lot better.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:08:58 No.43598846
>"Competitive" EDH

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:09:51 No.43598860
>>43598678
Personally I have a huge problem removing creatures in red. Black has is so easy, followed by white's exile, then blue's everything. Maybe not having to pay 5+ mana just to remove a problem creature one time?
Maybe some less suicidal creatures. Does every red common need to be an x/1 with haste? More instants.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:11:39 No.43598885
>>43598846
>A game that requires a winner at the end(normally)
>cries when people play to win

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:13:34 No.43598912
>>43598806
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:14:11 No.43598923
>Ordered stuff for a deck on Sunday
>no updates on tracking since then

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:14:14 No.43598925
>>43598846
People who parade around their competitive EDH decks always have a fake ass moral superiority thing going on, as if playing a format in a certain way grants them special powers or some shit.

It's sickening. you can play EDH competitively with friends or at events or whatever, but it's gross to act like you're better then people casting cultivates and Kodama's reaches to ramp into shit that actually plays with the mechanics of the game in an interesting way

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:18:57 No.43599043
>Sign up for Pucatrade
>Immediately got the Demonic Pact and the Boros Charm I needed for free
>shipping off that Beastmaster Savant I don't need to Argentina where it can go suck a dick
Why haven't you signed up to Pucatrade yet, anon? What's your excuse?
Also can someone please send me a Dralnu?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:19:50 No.43599064
>>43599043
Honestly, I don't quite understand how it works

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:20:45 No.43599082
>>43598586
>>43598806
>>43598912
Beautiful and scary. Is there enough of these for a hornet (well, insect) themed or tribal deck in any format?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:20:49 No.43599086
>>43599043
Shit nvm about Dralnu I no longer have enough points.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:20:57 No.43599092
>>43598912
NOT THE BEES

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:21:24 No.43599101
>>43599064
You get points for sending cards to people, and then when you have enough points, people send you cards.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:21:43 No.43599107
>>43599043
Because sending things through the mail is a bitch.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:22:25 No.43599123
>>43599082
Anon there are so many bugs

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:22:36 No.43599129
>>43599101
I assume it's US only?

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Animal Brollective 2015-11-12 02:23:00 No.43599142
>>43599043
>Argentina
Oh man I want some sweet Pucatrade cards pls, I though South America didn't had enough traders, how do you earn points again?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:23:08 No.43599148
>>43598586
Put banding on this shit. when someone swings big, dump all the damage here.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:23:29 No.43599157
>>43599064
Its simple actually. Ship out cards to people who want(i.e. are in their "want list) them in exchange for "points"(1 point = 1 cent of the card's realtime value) When you have enough points from that, people can send you cards that you have in your "want list" for points.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:23:54 No.43599166
>>43599129
There are non-US users, but from what I understand the US users have the easiest time.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:24:25 No.43599174
>>43599123
But do they have enough decent ones or ones with synergy?
I love the idea of a nest that poops out angry hornets, how can this be done?
I've seen the great snake mistake, now I need the horrible hornet happening

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:24:33 No.43599176
>>43598415
Posting my shitty meren brew, I can't decide on what to take out. Help would be appriciated.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/value-train-1/

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:24:59 No.43599184
>>43598923
Guys seriously what do I do

I'm getting worried

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:27:10 No.43599225
>>43599142
You can earn points immediately when you sign up for doing basic things (about $5 right off the bat), then you earn points by sending people cards(but they have to confirm they got them, which can be scary but oh well) and you can also get $1-$3 worth of points(depending on your membership) for each person you refer.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:28:34 No.43599254
>>43599174
Well there's this, which does the same thing as the nest

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:28:50 No.43599261
Do artifacts have summoning sickness or can I use their "tap" ability as soon as it hits?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:29:31 No.43599275
>>43599261
Artifacts don't. Artifact creatures do.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:29:46 No.43599279
>>43599261
No non-creatures cannot have summoning sickness

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:30:01 No.43599286
>>43599174
There's also this, which can honestly turn into a goddamn nightmare

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:30:05 No.43599288
>>43598923
You live in a small town?
Pray anon. It's the only way.
Last year someone shipped me a Christmas present a month before Christmas. When I finally got the broken and beaten box in late February, I was curious and called the person who sent it to me.
Evidently it went across the entire country twice somehow, then went to Alaska, then came back to the person who sent it before being repackaged and sent again.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:31:22 No.43599307
>>43599286
why is the art on this card so goddamn terrible

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:34:17 No.43599348
>>43599288
>You live in a small town?
Yes. Usually stuff gets here but I'm just worried because USPS hasn't updated tracking at all, and the other two packages (all 3 from TCGPlayer) are well on their way

Also our new mailman sucks

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:35:11 No.43599369
>>43599307
I just noticed it' the same bug three times, just flipped around.
What the hell man.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:37:11 No.43599394
>>43599369
The Magic artists now just aren't as good as before I guess.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:37:25 No.43599397
>>43599369
>>43599307
THE BUGS ANON

THE BUUUUUUGS

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:37:44 No.43599402
>>43599348
Good luck. You've a lot more trust than I do in the USPS.
Found out a few years ago my grandma pretty much just stopped sending letters because I never responded. It's not the only thing I know that consistently "disappears". But the bills and junk mail never fail. And I never ship anything without the insurance.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:39:16 No.43599428
>>43599397
it bugs me

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:41:05 No.43599461
>>43599402
The postal service is fucking crazy. Seriously if the mailing address says "take a left about a quarter mile past the rock across the road from the tree that looks like James Madison's penis" it will fucking get there

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:41:17 No.43599465
>>43599394
I disagree but whatever.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:41:34 No.43599472
>>43599043
I really want to try it, but I'm spastic about shipping things out because I have to Noah for shipping and shit.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:42:40 No.43599490
>>43598721
But some people have fun operating within the rules.

Just agree on a REL to enforce before hand.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:45:30 No.43599555
>>43599402
Well doesn't TCG have their sellers ship to their warehouse then send it out in their own envelope? The package from them is comprised of cards from like 8 different stores

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:45:57 No.43599563
>>43599174
Me again I think I got it
Hornets nest
Darksteel plate
Phyrexian alter
Crawling zombie
Triskelion
Mazirek
Awesome the new commander helps

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:46:37 No.43599580
>>43598678
Redstorm
R-Instant
Exile 2 cards at random from your hand, and the top three cards of your library.
You may play cards exiled this way until the end of your next turn.

Basically reprint all the glorious old cantrips of yesteryear, but with red's new exile mechanic.

White needs more equipment, and equipment based card advantage..

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:47:21 No.43599595
>>43599555
Depends on if it's tcgplayer direct or not

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:49:42 No.43599647
>>43599595
This one was, with just regular shipping

What's that, like a week? I'm just antsy because there's been no update since Sunday

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:53:58 No.43599706
>>43599490
Casual and Regular REL work within the rules.

Rules Sharking isn't an REL problem, it's a person problem.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:54:28 No.43599714
>>43599465
Are you bait?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:57:30 No.43599756
>>43599706
Really? You adhere to priority in your casual games?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:57:34 No.43599757
>>43599714
Not that guy, but some art is still sweet. It's true that a bunch of the digital art just straight up looks terrible.
The Traditional Art that gets done is still very nice looking.
Traditional Art pieces usually look better on cards and usually convey their content better, since digital art just gets riddled with details and becomes incomprehensible on a card (see: all of Steve Argyles stuff)

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:59:11 No.43599782
>>43599756
Yes. in the same way that you adhere to priority in Competitive REL. by knowing how the shit works, because those are the rules.
Shortcuts still happen at competitive REL, people dont mention priority unless there is a reason to.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:59:13 No.43599783
>>43598777
Anyone?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:00:02 No.43599797
>>43599714
No. Old Magic art was garbage save a very, very select few.

But that's not EDH and it's also not a discussion I wanna have here because I know 90% of the arguments and they're all trash 'muh traditional painting', 'muh style', 'muh creative outlook', 'muh cartoons & fun'

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:00:42 No.43599812
>>43599757
You better not be shitting on Jamie Jones, bitch.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:02:00 No.43599837
Wondering how you guys reckon X spells and the new UR general work?

>Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell with converted mana cost greater than the number of experience counters you have, you get an experience counter.

Will the CMC be whatever X is? Or X + the other costs (ie RRX and X=5 the CMC would be 7) or is CMC just the non X part of the cost?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:02:42 No.43599858
>>43599783
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-11-15-work
Mindslaver with Tasigur and 14 mana is a lock, you know.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:03:53 No.43599882
>>43599837
X costs aren't taken into account for the CMC of a spell. Comet Storm's CMC is 2

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:04:00 No.43599884
>>43599812
Well, a lot of it comes down to being able to read the artwork of the card without having to try and it also not looking like freshly molded clay dogshit. Which some of Jaime Jones's shit looks like.

The gross digital artwork kind of works for Eldrazi cards though, because of their 'alienness'

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:04:23 No.43599895
>>43599837
You choose the X number, then that gets added to other costs, then you take that number and apply her discount to it.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:05:04 No.43599910
>>43599882
It does when it's on the stack.

>>43599837
it will be X + the other costs when you cast it, which is the only time it matters for Mizzix

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:07:00 No.43599948
>>43599882
>>43599837
X is 0 everywhere else but on the stack. On stack CMC the total mana paid for the spell.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:08:26 No.43599975
>>43599858
>14 mana

Jesus. I thought needing 13 for Hanna was bad.
On that note, Eidolon of Rhetoric and Decree of Silence is also wonderful. Even better with Inoxerable Tide.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:08:32 No.43599977
>>43599910
>>43599948
Thanks, I was unaware of that.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:09:42 No.43600000
>>43599837
I like the UR general, is that alone worth getting the deck?
Some of these 99 cards seem really shit once I get over how aesthetically pretty Blue and Red is together.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:11:18 No.43600039
>>43600000
Check'd.
Buy single, if you're only interested in mizzix. mystic confluence has some value tho.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:13:03 No.43600065
>>43599975
its really only ten mana if you have prophet out.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:13:06 No.43600066
>>43599858
>Tasigur and 14 mana is a lock
I'll be honest, I have no clue what you mean by that.
I looked at Mindslaver and I honestly don;t like controlling other people's turns.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:15:43 No.43600098
>Play Varolz Scanning.
>Just played Deadbridge Chant.
>Get excited for scavenge possibilities.
>Someone just exiles my whole graveyard.
>Mfw
Is there anything I can do to stop this shit? I'm so bummed out right now about this flaw in my deck.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:15:49 No.43600100
>>43600066
What I mean is you use ten mana to cast and use Mindslaver, then on their controlled turn you activate Tasigur's ability and make them pick Mindslaver. Rinse and repeat. Also why the fuck would you NOT want to use the best effect in all of magic!?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:16:45 No.43600120
>>43600098
>Scanning.
Scavenge*
How? How did I manage that?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:17:13 No.43600132
>>43598586
That one time mortal's resolve-ed this and blocked a 50/50

I won the next turn

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:17:50 No.43600147
>>43600098
No. The ridiculously strong graveyard hate is the only reason graveyard strategies aren't more dominant.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:18:50 No.43600168
>>43600098
>Is there anything I can do to stop this shit?
Feldon's cane?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:18:58 No.43600169
>>43600066
>not liking utter humiliation

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:19:22 No.43600177
>>43600098
Pic related for spells that target you. Krosan Grip for tormod's crypt and his relatives. Witchbane Orb or Orbs of Warding for Bojuka Bog (also good for spells that target you)

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:19:29 No.43600180
>>43600098
Nah man, sometimes decks just fold to the shit that make them lose. you can just make every single card a threat and only dedicated constant graveyard hate can put you to a halt, but you can't really fix a flaw that is inherent in your commander/colors. Grave yard strategies are still broken shits though, so you should be fine.

Why Deadbridge Chant though? doesn't seem.... good.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:20:22 No.43600195
>>43600169
A++++ 10/10 great ebayer

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:22:24 No.43600222
>>43600177
>Grip for crypt
>does nothing when the guy holds priority and sacs crypt after her plays it

Also does nothing for RiP and things that directly target the graveyard like Scooze

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:22:26 No.43600224
>>43600132
Why the fuck was he even swinging a 50/50 into that if it didn't have trample!? Making the nest indestructible made no difference in you winning.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:23:46 No.43600243
>>43600222
groundseal works for scooze. Rest in Peace can suck a dick, though.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:23:58 No.43600247
>>43599910
>>43599895

Cheers for that, its how I thought it worked but wanted to make sure before I make an X-spell deck around it.

One other thing though. A friend of mine reckons you apply the discount even to X spells. I don't think it works like that, but my rules knowledge is crap so I could be wrong.

Can I apply the discount for X spells? IE, with 5 EXP counters, I could declare X to be 7, but only pay 2 of it?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:28:08 No.43600316
>>43600243
>Rest in Peace can suck a dick
I will never stop loving the taste of your delicious tears.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:28:25 No.43600322
Stupid rules question
If I cast a fireball where x=10 and I use pyromancers goggles to pay for part of the cost triggering its copy ability does the copy hit for 10 like the original spell?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:29:10 No.43600332
>>43600247
Yes

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:29:13 No.43600334
>>43600065
Well, prophet is a faggot anyway.

I've thought about putting unwinding clock into Hanna, but its more of a control deck featuring enchantment/artifact combos.

Check It out http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hanna-ships-combo-and-control/

I don't think it's 100% up to date, but the gist is there.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:29:18 No.43600335
>>43600180
>Place ten cards into my graveyard when it hits the field.
>Allows me to pull things out (Granted at random) that I don't want in there every upkeep.
If I accidentally dredge some equipment for my big, beefy monster, I can get it back. I'm sure there are cards that do that better, but I don't know them.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:29:25 No.43600338
>>43600322
Yes

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:30:50 No.43600366
>>43600335
Greenwarden of Murasa, Eternal WItness, and Regrowth are all good for that.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:31:22 No.43600374
>>43600332
Awesome! Thanks

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:34:04 No.43600411
I want to build a RGu commander deck because I like playing big creatures and I like things like rhystic study and frozen aether, who is the least degenerate but still decent commander I can run?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:35:53 No.43600444
>stealing everyone's shit with the Empires artifacts and Kurkesh

This is the best oh my God

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:36:45 No.43600460
>>43600411
Surrak Dragonclaw

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:38:38 No.43600492
>>43600366
Yeah, but with Deadbridge I get to return something EVERY upkeep.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:39:31 No.43600502
>>43600411
Riku is literally Goodstuff Inc.
Animar is all creatures
Yasova is a rather specialized value deck
Surrak is whatever so there's that

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:39:56 No.43600508
>>43600492
Well if you run BUG just play tasigur or deadeye navigator then.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:41:34 No.43600532
>>43600492
And every upkeep is very slow. and it's just so much mana to not do anything the turn it comes down.

I mean,I see how it could have impressive results, but I guess our metas are just really different in terms of speed. Deadbridge chant wouldn't get enough value before the super late game to be worth the mana put into it.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:45:40 No.43600592
>>43600460
>>43600502
Ok I was leaning towards Surrak so I'll probably go that route, thanks!

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:49:03 No.43600640
>>43600444
Kurkesh is insane. I have a sorta stax deck I've been working on with him and he can honestly be fucking bonkers, using your non mana-rock artifacts twice each turn can be devastating

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:50:05 No.43600648
Thoughts on Zuran Orb in Karlov?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:50:06 No.43600649
What do you guys think about MLD and similar effects? It gets super annoying that people think lands being sacred and therefore untouchable. Even earlier today one guy playing monogreen complained me putting Sunder in one of my decks, and I started talking about armageddon after he has shat his entire landbase to the table. He went as far as complained MLD being cheater cards.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:55:06 No.43600726
>>43600224
Shieet, literally the only reason that was important, the 50/50 had double strike

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:57:10 No.43600759
>>43600726
You do realize that double striker without trample doesn't do combat damage second time, if blocker dies on first damage step?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:00:35 No.43600809
>>43599782
Then I don't see what you're complaining about. Rules lawyers only act when someone is mistaken about the rules, or not following them.

The shortcut rules are used, but shortcuts need to be consented to before being used.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:01:05 No.43600815
>>43600759
Really? Well... 100 hornets is better than 50 either way but now I do wonder why he swung, I just assumed the double strike woulda killed me

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:02:11 No.43600841
>>43600649
I think they're extremely necessary and anyone who doesn't see that is probably just ramping into stupid and don't realize that they're no different than the guy complaining about grave hate or the guy complaining about too many wraths. They're all just answers to their bullshit

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:06:32 No.43600912
>>43600841
There's a small subset of loud people who are retarded, and think ramp decks are actually better equipped to win after a geddon.

This is easily proven false by considering the two situations: Either they sandbag ramp in case of a geddon, or they don't.

If they don't, they're in topdeck mode the same as the rest of us, and have less topdecks to draw (having ramped a lot of lands out already).

If they do sandbag ramp spells, then great. The thread of MLD is keeping them honest.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:06:56 No.43600921
>>43600809
Ok, Maybe 'Rules Lawyer' Is a slight misnomer to what he was talking about.

Rules Shark fits better. Ya know, the ones that bring up rules and regulations when it is advantageous to them, but then never when something sneaky happens and it could possibly be bad for them?

Regular old Rules Lawyers can mean well, Rules Sharks are Rules Lawyers that intend on being dicks to people who aren't necessarily as competent in the rules to screw them over. That type of attitude is pretty easy to pick up on, and it happens a lot with Randoms at LGSes.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:08:11 No.43600938
>>43600649
Hell Im trying to make a standard deck which is based around land destruction. Works wonders with Crumble To Dust with all the Tri-colour decks and Dual-colour decks currently appearing in standard. Mono blue is pretty much the only colour that can achieve a decent win-rate at standard level.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:09:00 No.43600952
>>43600841
Agreed, but they never seem to learn to not dump all of their manabase to the table. I hate it when they do that and think that should be left unanswered. Same guy went full baby mode and would scoop to MLD.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:09:55 No.43600964
>>43600938
What deck in standard is mono-blue?

I'm also pretty sure you get shit on by Atarka Red. since all those LD spells cost 4 and they run wild slashes and impulses for your mana dorks or whatever

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:10:17 No.43600968
Buying the BG deck on Friday. Feels good.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:11:11 No.43600980
>>43600921
I see now.

Yeah, those guys are dicks.

My rules for rules lawyering are:

Always stop a play that breaks the rules (if I notice I've broken one too late, I'll usually concede)

Other than that, stay silent on rules issues unless asked.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:16:20 No.43601059
>>43600980
Like forcing players to miss mandatory upkeep triggers because they drew a card or something before they even did anything during their main phase.

That shit is easy to forget when you're hanging out with friends you just kinda do things out of order because you're trying to play magic to relax or because the stakes are low.

But in general, I agree with that rule, if you're gonna call out rules problems, call your own out, and if it's too late to fix, then concede or face some gameplay based punishment.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:16:33 No.43601063
>>43600964
I never said the land destruction worked. Am actually trying to combine Artarka with the land destruction. The deck i played against was mono blue sphinx's, flying merfolk and counter/bounce/tap (so standard control). Wins via mill with sphinx's insight or flying damage. Anyway, enough about standard in the EDH post.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:16:55 No.43601070
>that one faggot who is always wrong about rules
>insists that he's right despite him being wrong on every past rules question

Guy was arguing that you could put your commander in the command zone, from anywhere, whenever you want. I almost slapped the fucker the mouth

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:19:13 No.43601105
>>43600980
I'm the only player in my group who put any time into learning the rules. I could probably pass the judge test if there were enough events going on around me.

Leads to a bunch of people asking me questions, which is always a hoot in EDH.

But it's also pretty shitty at times when you have to crush some new kids dreams and tell him that X doesn't work like that.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:23:12 No.43601155
>>43601070
>you could put your commander in the command zone, from anywhere, whenever you want
How would he even get this in his head?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:24:44 No.43601171
>>43600648
>float 8 mana from lands
>sac all lands
>8 triggers
>16 +1/+1 counters
>shitload of counters on Karlov
>Have Emeria Shepherd
>cast Armageddon
>Cast Faiths Reward
>get back Soul Sisters, Auriok Champ and Suture Priest
>each triggers 4 times
>16 triggers
>32 +1/+1 counters

Seems legit.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:25:03 No.43601173
>>43601155
I dunno anon, with the tuck change we might soon just see that we should have access to our commanders no matter what.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:25:12 No.43601180
>>43601070
>Guy was arguing that you could put your commander in the command zone, from anywhere,
okay
>whenever you want
what a tard

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:28:21 No.43601227
>>43601155
Fuck if I know. He's a huge dickhead, last time we played a new guy with last year's green precon showed up, and he devoted everything to getting the guy off the table.

Also, time before last, he was insisting that an All is Dust wouldn't make him sac his Thassa or Phenax. I can't tell if he's retarded and bad at the game or if he's just trying to get a rise out of people.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:33:39 No.43601302
>>43601180
>okay
Well you can't just pop it from the graveyard back to the command zone, which is what he was trying to do (without playing a reanimator effect)

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:35:08 No.43601328
>>43601070
There's a guy at my LGS who thinks himself a judge and tries to 'judge' FNM when the actual judge can't show up, but his rules knowledge is mediocre at best. He, for instance, didn't know and tried to argue me on using Celestial Flare at the end of combat to kill the creature you want after damage. I had to pull up gatherer, and when he was proven wrong, he brushed it off as an 'errata' he never heard of.

I'm considering behaving as the local part time judge because he's seriously bad, but that'd mean I'd have to step down from FNM and I actually enjoy FNM so fuck that.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:35:56 No.43601345
>>43601227
Because dude INDESTRUCTIBLE. It means it never dies.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:37:06 No.43601366
>>43598678
Fair Trade
1W Enchantment
At the beggining of each player's upkeep that players draws cards until the number of cards in his or her hand is equal to the number of cards of the player with most cards in hand.
Illust is merchants pissed about a well regulated market.

Talented Musings
R Instant
Scry 3, then exile the top card of your library. You may play that card until end of turn.
Illust is guy smoking pot coming to the same conclusion as the fedora-wearing "intellectual" on a problem.

It is in flavor, it is in their shard of the color pie even if in name only, but it will never happen because NWO determined Card Advantage is blue-exclusive.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:39:32 No.43601405
>>43601345
I wonder how he'd finagle out of a Morbid Tragic Slip on Phenax

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:39:40 No.43601409
>>43601328
Is he even qualified as a rules advisor or whatever it's called?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:42:58 No.43601447
>>43599043
I am. Altough I only order weird shit I can't get anywhere localy or with T&T.
Right now I'm looking for 10 each of these.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:45:55 No.43601484
>>43598678
More skullclamps. Just reprint skullclamp 2-3 times with different names. White is fixed.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:46:13 No.43601489
>>43599142
You can buy points (1 cent = 1 point) and cards are priced at their average value.
It's great for getting old commons and specific editions like DD/Planechase and shit.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:46:34 No.43601494
>>43601302
Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with 'when ever' fact. You can put your commander in the command zone if it gets exiled from the yard, though.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:46:56 No.43601500
>>43601328
Wow, what a tard. I feel bad that you had to deal with that.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:47:17 No.43601503
>>43601409
I doubt it. Honestly, most people on the store don't seem pay him much attention either, but he sometimes butts in and is specially eager to mess with new people. Like months ago he attacked a planeswalker controlled by a new guy with a creature equipped with a Light and Shadow, then told him that 'planeswalkers are players so this activates and I get this back from my graveyard.' Not knowing any better, the new guy played like that until last week when I noticed that and told him otherwise.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:47:38 No.43601509
>>43601447
Those are some really nice swamps but they sort of feel post-apocalyptic. What plane is that from?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:50:22 No.43601552
>>43601405
He becomes super small UNKILLABLE guy. Just until end of turn though. I mean, clones are 0/0 too, so why not Phenax

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Sonnenrad aka Big McLargeHuge 2015-11-12 04:53:14 No.43601606
>>43601509
>What plane is that from?

Not a plane but art is from Portal: Second Age

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:54:31 No.43601624
>>43600649
They're obnoxious, they are. Judge what your playgroup is going for. If it's a bunch of people with casual decks, maybe hold out. If it's a bunch of Prossh combo assholes light their shit the fuck up.







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