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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:09:01 No.25245345

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>>25158471 is in auto-sage.
Imperial Histories II snuck up on everyone. It has Space Rokugan. Thoughts?


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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:14:02 No.25245453
>Space Rokugan
Please, tell me more.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:17:17 No.25245518
>>25245453
It's Rokugan but in Space.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:18:09 No.25245534
I picked it up a couple of weeks ago, mainly for the Space Rokugan. Its actually a pretty small section of the book.

There are a bunch of neat setting ideas, like a setting whereTogashi won the Kami Tournament instead of Hentai, and the info on the modern colonial era is nice. But its not really worth own in hardcopy unless you're a collector - you'll rarely find reason to reference it at the table. I'd recommend picking it up in pdf, though.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:19:57 No.25245562
>>25245534
> Togashi as Emperor
So the entire empire became a bunch of mystical stoned eighth graders who know shaolin kung fu?
What are the chapters about? The only one anyone's ever mentioned are Space Rokugan.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:20:00 No.25245564
>>25245534
>Hentai

Seriously, though, is this book just alternate settings or something? I hadn't heard about it.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:20:49 No.25245581
>>25245534
Honestly, I think that Togashi setting is the best thing in the book. Way better than canon.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:21:52 No.25245606
>>25245345
Space Rokugan? Colour me intrigued
Is it a more honest version of Star Wars, or something different?
And is there a chance of scan or OEF?

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:22:30 No.25245619
>>25245581
Call me when there's an Emperor Akodo.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:23:07 No.25245633

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>>25245564
> pic related?

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:31:51 No.25245823

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>>25245633
>>25245633
>>25245633

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:33:36 No.25245864
>>25245823
Once again, the Lion clan proves that it is the best clan.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:34:15 No.25245877

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Did they ever bother explaining this in more detail? It seems like a pretty blatant "yeah, we'll fill that in later", but I haven't found any further information on it.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:35:43 No.25245914
>>25245877
Nope. You pretty much come up with what you need when you need it.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:38:19 No.25245966
>>25245564
Imperial Histories was basically a book of alternative Historical settings to play L5R in.

IH2 had a few more of those along with a few alternate histories and a possible future.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:40:52 No.25246024
If I wanted to try out/get into the card game, what would be the best way to go about doing so? I heard there was a new edition coming out; should I wait for that first?

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:42:24 No.25246051
>>25245966
Okay, neat. I had never really bothered to check out the first Imperial Histories either. Would you say they're both worth a look?

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:44:25 No.25246091
>>25245581
I really like the Owl Clan. Having a clan in charge of nonhuman diplomacy is an interesting idea.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:46:02 No.25246126
>>25246024
Well finding someone to teach you and maybe lend you a deck so you can try it sounds like a good plan (for any TCG). Try to find out what kind of deck you like, get some help and build one.

Or if you can convince some friends you could just draft every now and then and build your collections that way (it also means you're playing different decks often). Then you can build from there or get a better idea of what you want.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:47:51 No.25246163
>>25245966
Which settings did IH2 cover?

>>25246091
> nonhuman diplomacy.
Go on...

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:51:48 No.25246254

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>>25246163
Well the Naga are a thing in Rokugan, I'm imagining a clan of this guy

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:52:59 No.25246282
>>25246254
Which is why he needs to explain more about this Owl clan.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:55:55 No.25246348
>>25246024

Ivory Edition (the next edition) should be coming out around January 2014. Coils of Madness (the Direct to Retailer set) and the next two sets will be legal for it.

>>25246051
I actually don't know. I own IH1 and read IH2, but can't really say that they are anything more than stuff GMs can mine for ideas. Except for the Togashi Dynasty in IH2, the settings are not as fleshed out as they could be. Each setting is only 20 to 30 pages long.

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Anonymous 2013-06-04 23:57:44 No.25246388
>>25246348
>Each setting is only 20 to 30 pages long.
But what are they?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:11:41 No.25246692
>>25246388
>>25246163
IH1:
The Dawn of the Empire - Rokugan during the time of the Kami.

The First Reign of the Gozoku

Era of White Stag

The Great Famine

Prelude of Scorpion Clan Coup

The Clan War

The Hidden Emperor Era

The War of Spirits

Heroes of Rokugan Champions of the Sapphire Throne - L5R Living Campaign setting (alternate future)

Thousand Years of Darkness (alternate future)

IH2(I may be for getting one or two):

Togashi Dynasty- What is Togashi became Emperor instead of Hantei. Hantei forms the Owl clan to deal with non-Shadowlands nonhumans.

Heresy of the 5 Rings - What if a Monk gave the Emperor the idea to merge the clans down to only 5, one for each ring?

Steel Chrysanthemum - Life under Hantei XVI the mad emperor.

Age of Conquest - Current CCG setting

Iron Rokugan - Alternate History similar to Japans Meiji Restoration. Samurai guns included.

Empire of the Emerald Stars - Rokugan in Space.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:12:32 No.25246717
>>25246388
Historical chapters:
Rule of the Shining Prince
Heresy of the Five Rings
Reign of the Steel Chrysanthemum
The Return of the Unicorn
The Eighth Century Crisis
The Four Winds
The Destroyer War
The Age of Exploration

Alt chapters:
Shattered Empire
The Togashi Dynasty
The Shadowed Throne
Iron Rokugan
SPACE ROKUGAN

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:13:14 No.25246733

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>>25246692
>Samurai guns
Fucking finally, yes

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:15:36 No.25246783
>>25246717
Damn I missed a bunch more than one or two.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:16:56 No.25246814
>>25246024
If you really care about tournament play, wait for Ivory Edition and buy only coils of madness or more recent cards.

Now if you don't care as much and you just want in on the game, I'd say pick a Clan, buy an Emperor Edition starter pack and a Gempukku starter pack (yes, you will have a lot of unique cards twice or some cards in x6, who cares). That will give you enough fuel to build at least two decks in the Clan of your choice and start grasping how it's meant to be played and how you build around its logics.

It's about 50€, but it's a better way to start than buy a premade deck you're stuck with for too long.
The only downside is that some of those cards will rotate out eventually.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:18:19 No.25246841

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>>25246692
>Hantei forms the Owl clan to deal with non-Shadowlands nonhumans.
Oh. Now I'm significantly less interested. The preview for the Hantei bushi was pretty disappointing.

Iron Rokugan - Alternate History similar to Japans Meiji Restoration. Samurai guns included.
I have a boner the size of this bow. Elaborate, please, good sir.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:20:22 No.25246879
>>25246717
You're going to have to be more descriptive. The Rule of the second Hantei emperor, ???, the rule of the sixteenth, the return of the unicorn, ???, and then the current block of metaplot that came after the end of IH1 (which ended somwhere in the 1130s if I recall).
What are the shattered Empire and Shadowed Throne? C'mon, man, details.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:23:24 No.25246942
>>25246733
>throwing your only weapon

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:26:47 No.25247007
>>25245877
What? All the "varies" means is that you can choose from the listed sub-types or make your own. Emphases you can then form from the sub-type.

Was it that hard?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:28:34 No.25247033
>>25246733
You mean you needed a setting spelt out after they statted guns?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:29:32 No.25247048
>>25247033
They statted guns?
That were actually worth a damn?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:35:41 No.25247137
>>25246841
White Stag doesn't happen quite the same way and is slightly less xenophobic. Empire adapts to guns. 300 years latter westaboo empress orders construction of railroad system. Problems start happening. Hare clan arms Ashigaru with guns and beat up the Crane after Scorpion trick them into going to war. The Emerald Champion is tricked into going rogue and leading a traditionalist rebellion by the empress' evil older brother.

At least two firearms(a pistol and a rifle) with the Samurai keyword and a new skill for them are included in the rules.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:36:39 No.25247160
>>25247048
Range 20' 3k2 pistol, range 150' 4k3 rifle (counts as a 2k2 polearm with a bayonet)
Use Perception instead of Strength to modify DR, ignore armour and natural reduction.
Skill is Firearms (Intelligence), with a Mastery 5 of 'Reloading takes 2 Complex Actions instead of 3'.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:39:18 No.25247199
>>25246841
Pretty much my opinion of the Owl Clan. Actually, most of what I've heard of the Togashi Dynasty failed to interest me - in spite of somewhat liking the Dragon clan.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:40:35 No.25247219
>>25246348
>>25246814
So, it's not like this Ivory Edition is going to make some fundamental change to the game that would invalidate Emperor Edition cards, right? If I buy one of the current Gempukku starts packs, will I be able to mix it with the new card once Ivory Edition comes out?

Unfortunately, I don't know anyone in my area who plays. I was hoping to look into the game and, if it seemed good, get some of my friends into it too. For a new player, would just picking my favourite clan from the rpg and buying some starter stuff for that clan be a fine idea?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:45:19 No.25247287

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>>25247007
>All the "varies" means is that you can choose from the listed sub-types or make your own. Emphases you can then form from the sub-type.
No, the "(Varies)" means that they don't tell you which trait the various sub-types use.

The "Varies by sub-skill" means that they don't tell you what kind of Emphases you could have in a Crafting skill. I assume that an Emphasis like "Riding armor" for when you use Armorsmithing to create Riding Armor would be appropriate, but what kind of Emphases would "Fishing" have? Catching specific types of fish? Catching fish in certain waters? Using certain methods of catching fish?

Considering how important things like Weaponsmithing is in the lore, you would think they'd put some effort into the crafting system, but for some reason they didn't.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:49:16 No.25247357
>>25247137
Motherfucking amazing. Tell me as much as absolutely possible. The firearms. What kinds are they? If they're based on the Meiji era, they should be either flintlock or percussion cap rifles and black powder revolvers. I believe there were early cartridge guns coming out in full, like the 1860 Henry, but they never made it to Japan and weren't even widely adopted among American soldiers during the Civil War.

>>25247199
The idea is cool, but the mechanics were just so underwhelming. As I recall, the Hantei Bushi is pretty much incapable of dealing with anything that ISN'T supernatural. A Hantei Bushi 5 has no techniques that apply to fighting an IR1 bandit.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 00:51:46 No.25247398
>>25247287
Derp. That's what I get for skimming.

Anyways, it's not the end of the world. Shawn answered a question on smithing once, and he actually asks for alternating Strength / Intelligence rolls. Stamina isn't out of the question, either.

Why do you need limited options for emphases on fishing? Are your groups asking for too many outlandish fishing emphases? Yes, they're all good. Location, target, method is a good default for types of emphases.

4th edition started with the intention of reducing the accumulation of rules that 3rd edition had built up - and for the most part, it did it reasonably well. If there's something not in 4th that you really think should be, I'd suggest looking back and adjusting the old rules for your table.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 01:04:30 No.25247660
>>25247357
>The idea is cool, but the mechanics were just so underwhelming.

Well, yeah. The idea of 4e was to reduce things down, so that you could do stuff without needing a technique or whatever - skills would be enough.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 01:12:49 No.25247822
>>25247660
Then why are all other bushi schools applicable, to some degree, outside of their speciality besides this one? Even outside of a duel, the Kakita get bonuses to skirmishes. But as i'm remembering the Hantei Bushi preview, a Hantei Bushi Rank 5 with Kenjutsu 7 and Agility 3 rolls the exact same against someone with no school techniques at all but also has Kenjustu 7 and Agility 3. I'm pretty sure the SAA is against supernatural creatures. A Kaiu Engineer does a better job at melee combat with SR0 bandits than a Hantei bushi.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 01:18:41 No.25247924
>>25247822
I'm not saying it's a good thing, I'm just saying it's thing that's been said officially.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 01:22:04 No.25247980

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>>25247398
>Why do you need limited options for emphases on fishing? Are your groups asking for too many outlandish fishing emphases?
Truth is, I don't even play L5R, I just have the books downloaded because I like the setting and /tg/ threads. It just bothered me that the rules for something as important as Weapon and Armor-smithing was almost entirely non-existent, especially since some Schools such as Kaiu Engineer and Tsi Weapon Smith place such importance on it.

>If there's something not in 4th that you really think should be, I'd suggest looking back and adjusting the old rules for your table.
1ED used the Earth Ring (Stamina/Willpower) for Weapon/Armor smithing, I'm sure that could work out well for 4ED as well. It would fit with Crab Clan being famed for creating the best weapons.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 01:25:31 No.25248038
>>25247980
>It just bothered me that the rules for something as important as Weapon and Armor-smithing was almost entirely non-existent, especially since some Schools such as Kaiu Engineer and Tsi Weapon Smith place such importance on it.
Funny enough, RAW, it's literally impossible to make a katana with the crafting rules.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 01:32:29 No.25248155
>>25247219
Actually, the way AEG tends to make cards legal from edition to edition is that the 2-3 sets previous to a new edition will be legal for that edition, but anything before that is out, unless it gets reprinted.

For example, Coils of Madness, the newest set, is the first set legal for Ivory Edition. The next set (Gates of Chaos, I think it's called), and possibly one more will be legal for Ivory next year. Everything from Torn Asunder and backwards won't be legal (barring reprints, that is).

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 01:45:36 No.25248362
>>25247219
As with most card games, the modern tournament type is the last two blocks, so once Ivory is out you can keep everything that came out from Emperor on, until the NEXT large edition comes out. That's quite a bit of time.
The ones that are going to be rotating out with Ivory are the ones between Celestial and Emperor, but they are of no concern to you is you're looking at Emperor or Gempukku starter packs.

Here is a bit of a run down on both deals:
The Emperor Starter pack gives you a sort of mixed deck that stands between two of the four themes in your Clan. You can pretty much play it with two of the four Fortresses in the pack, to get a first feel. It's a nice beginner's plan, since it requires zero deckbuilding, and the decks are decent.

The Gempukku pack gives you the bare bones of the four themes of your Clan. You can mix and match by hand, but in my experience you usually end up with weaker decks than the Emperor edition basic one. On the other hand, you do get access to those other two themes, and that's sweet.

Both packs come with the four Fortresses of the theme (possibly a fifth one in Gempukku, but it stays in-theme), the unique house guard, the unique Clan Champion and a bunch of holdings you'll want to use in every deck you have, so it's allright to have a six-set of each.
Gempukku also comes with the celestial sword of the Clan, a unique holding, an xp version of a popular personnality and quite a few cool cards that came out between Emperor and Gempukku (so that, say, the Tactician theme in Lion may have some of the same cards you won't reuse, but sill also come with some fresh ones).

That's why I would advise taking both Emperor starter and Gempukku starter. You'd get a solid base to build from and will be able to test and fine-tune a lot of nice stuff without sinking money into singles or boosters.

A 50€ investment by player for two guaranteed decks is honestly fair, considering the fuckload of cards you'll be waddling through..

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 02:05:23 No.25248733

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I'm curious, how do people deal with the metaplot in their games?

I've heard some stories about the CCG players screwing over the RPG players, CCG players trying to screw over other CCG players only to get screwed over by the developers in favor of other CCG player factions, and the developers and/or fiction writers screwing over everyone, including themselves, either intentionally or by accident.

>>25248038
>Funny enough, RAW, it's literally impossible to make a katana with the crafting rules.
That seems perfectly plausible. Care to elaborate?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 02:07:10 No.25248776
>>25248038
That needs to be the starting point of a campaign, somewhere.
-I know this Shiba Artisan, he's just incredible at crafting religious items.
-Oh yeah? Well I know a Tsi smith who specializes in hammers, the best you find on the Wall!
-Like you'd outcraft a Kakita...
... minutes pass, everyone shares stories about who crafts what ...
...everyone realizes they know strictly noone who can craft a katana ...
And that's how a group of samurai embark on a journey to unveil the truth about katana crafting being a knowledge shared only by the closest lieutenants of Jigoku and planted long ago in Rokugani culture to spy on them through katana sight spells.
And the daisho becomes a symbol for terrible misled historical events.
And Kenjutsu becomes a Low skill.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 02:11:45 No.25248868
>>25248733
>>Funny enough, RAW, it's literally impossible to make a katana with the crafting rules.
>That seems perfectly plausible. Care to elaborate?
The crafting roll difficulty and interval are based on material used and cost. Katana have a no listed cost to dissuade people from just buying new swords, as they're "too important" to be given any actual price. So it is literally impossible to determine the difficulty of the roll you have to make. Either that, or it takes an infinite amount of time, I forget which.
One of the first things in the errata thread is that, for the purposes of crafting, a katana costs 25 koku.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 02:14:38 No.25248935

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>>25248733
Really, it amazes me how badly the Spider Clan was handled at times, but I'm not sure how much of it was because of the CCG tournament prizes and how much of it was because of developers wanting to "up the stakes" in various ways.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 02:30:44 No.25249242
>>25248935

Back in Celestial Edition, Goblins and Breeder netted them a ton of wins (even after the decks suffered nerf after nerf),. This is widely regarded as an anomaly compared to Samurai and most of Emperor, where they were regarded as bottom-tier (they have maybe one good deck in Emperor, The Shadow's Lair goodstuff, and even that deck struggles against all the bullshit in this arc).

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 02:39:43 No.25249416
>>25248935
It also pains me how open, overt, and objectively evil they are. You can't have a argument of conflicting viewpoints when one viewpoint literally has the endorsement of the Realm of Evil. You can't mention someone is a member of the Daigotsu without all the PCs immediately trying to figure out how to murder him because he's up to no good; and for good reason because he probably is!

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 02:47:22 No.25249577
>>25249416
That's why I didn't include the current meta in my game. The Spider are villains, end of discussion.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 02:50:30 No.25249631
>>25248733
>using the meta
laughinggeisha.jpg

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 02:50:34 No.25249635
>>25249577
>The Spider are villains, end of discussion.
That's exactly the problem! Even back in the 1160s when no one knew what the spider were, they were villains. And there's no changing that. And when you see spider are involved, you know they're doing something villainous. There's no moral ambiguity to them or their code of Shourido. They're bad guys. Agreeing with them means you're literally agreeing with the all consuming gluttony of the Realm of Evil.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 02:52:34 No.25249682
>>25249635
...And you have a problem with that why?

They serve the Realm of Evil, ergo, they're evil.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 02:56:59 No.25249778
>>25249682
Because that removes all the moral complexity. It's as cut and dry as looking in a monster manual and seeing Always Chaotic Evil next to the writeup for orcs.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:00:04 No.25249827

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>>25249416
You need to be more specific, are you complaining that
>the Spider Clan is evil?
or
>everyone in-character knew that the Spider was evil?
or
>everyone out-of-character knew that the Spider was evil, and acted on this knowledge by meta-gaming?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:01:30 No.25249849
>>25249778
Moral complexity isn't a thing with the Spider Clan. You should look at the Scorpion for moral complexity.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:06:51 No.25249972

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>>25245864
What the hell does the Lion Clan have to do with that pic? That's an Isawa.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:09:03 No.25250036

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>>25245633

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:10:04 No.25250065

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>>25246163
the naga is his bride

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:11:57 No.25250113
>>25246024
I am looking to sell off every card I own right now. I have the makings of a pretty solid Ronin deck, plus a Crane Honour and Crane Military deck. Would you be interested in a bulk purchase? It's all Emperor legal.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:20:15 No.25250281
>>25249827
Mostly three. It's like how, if you see a plot involving ninja, your mind will automatically to go the Scorpion regardless of whether or not you mention it. Your image is also great, because it shows what the spider COULD be, but AREN'T, because they worship the god of hell.

>>25249972
The Lion clan girl in the pic that post is responding to.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:21:29 No.25250304
>>25250281
Except she isn't even close to the best. Did you even see the phoenix?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:22:37 No.25250329
>>25250304
>>25250281
They don't have mon, they're obviously all ronin.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:25:40 No.25250385
>>25248868
>odachi is 30 koku, wakizashi is 15 koku
>katana has no listed price
>oh shit gaijin, this is literally impossible to judge

... Not really that hard to eyeball a price between those, is it?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:31:34 No.25250525
>>25250281
If the story team had been able to let Daigotsu die instead of felating his existence into the master of Jigoku, the Spider may have ended up slightly more interesting.

Personally, I would have liked to see Kokujin survive til now, and actually be part of this semi-interesting P'an Ku thing. Not a big fan of the surprise existence of a long hidden cult with the main purpose of combating the dragon of madness, though.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:38:54 No.25250704
>>25250304
Yes, what about her?

>>25250385
> RAW, it's literally impossible to make a katana
> RAW
> Read As Written

>>25250525
>Personally, I would have liked to see Kokujin survive til now, and actually be part of this semi-interesting P'an Ku thing. Not a big fan of the surprise existence of a long hidden cult with the main purpose of combating the dragon of madness, though.
I really would've rathered a war that happened due to the conflicting interests of two mortal parties than SPIRITUAL THREAT BAND TOGETHER TO FIGHT IT.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:46:29 No.25250913

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>>25250281
>Mostly three. It's like how, if you see a plot involving ninja, your mind will automatically to go the Scorpion regardless of whether or not you mention it.
I always thought the the Spider should be evil, but it should be a subtle, creeping evil. They should have kept subverting the Empire with infiltrators and various Great Clan and Ronin stooges, kept subverting Bushido with Shourido, kept subverting the Tao with various cults spreading False Paths to Enlightenment, and never, EVER have announced their own existence.

In some thread I suggested that a GM should homebrew a non-corrupted Minor Clan of the Spider, just to punish people trying to metagame.

>Your image is also great, because it shows what the spider COULD be, but AREN'T, because they worship the god of hell.
Thanks, it's a post I made. It's the kind of reasonable front I would prefer that the Spider use to lure in new followers.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:49:24 No.25250989
>>25250113
Yo, if you're still around, Anon: I'd totally consider buying your cards. How much would you want for them?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:49:57 No.25251003

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>>25250704
>SPIRITUAL THREAT BAND TOGETHER TO FIGHT IT

Not counting Fu Leng (because he was the OG), just how many of these has it been now?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:50:53 No.25251028
>>25250989
Do you have an e-mail address I could contact you at?

I have a ridiculous number of cards I'm considering a MINIMUM of $150. Or equivalent in warmahordes models, since I'm trying to get into that.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:54:54 No.25251098
>>25251003
Hm... Fu Leng, the gaijin (who actually counted as a spiritual threat as well, remember), Fu Leng again, the Lying Darkness, the returned spirits, Spider Clan, Kali-ma...
Pretty much everything except for the Great Famine era. The card game metaplot has never produced a major war based off conflicting political ambitions or pure military ambition.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 03:56:53 No.25251142
>>25251098
What about Chagatai's march?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:08:32 No.25251358
>>25251028
Unfortunately, I think that's going to be a bit out of my price range. If I knew what I was getting into I'd totally consider it, but since I'm kinda going in blind to this whole game I realise I should probably be a bit cautious. (You can understand that I might be upset if I dropped $150+ on card and then decided I didn't like that game.)

I appreciate the offer, though. Good luck selling the card, man.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:13:03 No.25251444
>>25251358
Hey, I'm completely okay with going piecemeal. Like I said, e-mail address. I'll even show you the sites people use to price cards, so you know it's legit.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:14:30 No.25251481
>>25250036
>>25245633
Shouldn't the crab girl be muscular?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:14:43 No.25251486
>>25251142
That was a fairly minor war with a major consequence which was dictated in order to set up the Celestial Tournament. Which is how come the ENTIRE TOTURI DYNASTY got killed off. It didn't happen because the Unicorn started attacking Imperial players. It happened because they needed the Emperor dead for the next plot arc.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:15:18 No.25251500
>>25251481
N'aah. This isn't meant as a fetish thing, just generic cheesecake. The crab girl should no more be muscular than the unicorn should be consorting with her horse.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:15:38 No.25251507
>>25245633
Lion
Unicorn
Scorpion
Mantis
Phoenix
Crab

Prove me wrong.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:17:36 No.25251551
>>25251444
Alright, e-mail's in the field. Piecemeal might be more reasonable for me.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:23:08 No.25251682
>>25251551
Sent.
>>25251507
Those sure are some clan names you just said

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:27:05 No.25251766
>>25251507
If I knew what Clan each of them were, I might agree. I've never been able to tell.

Mon are a good thing and an important thing.

These are obviously ronin.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:33:12 No.25251904
>>25251766
>Mon are a good thing and an important thing.
They're colour coded for convenience.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:34:09 No.25251927
>>25251904
I never bothered learning those, only the different mon

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:35:02 No.25251944
>>25251904
read as mons, was v confused about what vaginas you'd been looking at.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:39:52 No.25252051
>>25251927
Why would you bother memorizing the mon that rarely appear on armour compared to the colours that might as well be dyed into their skin with how frequently they wear them in art?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:43:13 No.25252124
>>25252051
>rarely

You mean on everyone's shoulders (left being dojo, right being family) and back (clan)? It's kind of a big deal.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:45:55 No.25252182

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>>25252124
> implying implications

Nothing special about this card except that I know it shows two people.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:47:12 No.25252205

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>>25252124
How's about the clan champion of the lion, the stick-in-the-muds about honour and tradition in the setting?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:50:08 No.25252276
>>25251507
>>25245633
Think from left to right they are:
Crab (guess from height)
Unicorn
Spider
Scorpion
Crane above Dragon
Mantis
Lion
Pheonix

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:50:42 No.25252293

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>>25252124
Surely the Dragon would have at least the shoulder ones WHOOPS

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:51:02 No.25252302
>>25252205
Two mon on her armor, try again

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:52:03 No.25252322
>>25252293
The Dragon don't matter ever.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:52:20 No.25252327
>>25252124
>You mean on everyone's shoulders (left being dojo, right being family) and back (clan)? It's kind of a big deal.
For every picture you can find that shows that, there are three who don't.

>>25252276
Correct.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:52:31 No.25252329
>>25252302
You mean the two generic Lion Clan mon that are on her shoulders, where dojo and family should be?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:55:02 No.25252393
>>25252329
They're not even on her shoulders. That's her collar. And they're extraordinarily hard to notice compared to the massive amount of lion clan colours she's wearing.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:55:29 No.25252416
>>25252329
That was fun, getting you to respond.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:56:43 No.25252446

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>>25252322
>>25252416
You know what? I'm bored too. Let's go clan by clan.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:57:15 No.25252457

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>>25252446

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:57:56 No.25252471

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>>25252457

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:58:53 No.25252500

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>>25252471

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:59:27 No.25252509

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>>25252500

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 04:59:46 No.25252514
>>25252446
>>25252457
>>25252471
>>25252500
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 05:01:01 No.25252531

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>>25252514
Lack of mons on even the champions. Also, filling air until I'm tired enough to sleep.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 05:01:34 No.25252541

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>>25252531
Also, the mantis clan is led by an anime protagonist.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 05:19:06 No.25252954
>>25252541
>Mantis thunder
There are 8 thunders now?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 05:22:16 No.25253031

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>>25252954
Thunder is a keyword for people who harness the Thunder. Mostly Moshi.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 05:46:32 No.25253501
>>25253031
Are there any non-Moshi samrai who have it?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 05:47:40 No.25253525
>>25247137
>White Stag doesn't happen quite the same way and is slightly less xenophobic
How does it happen?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 05:48:01 No.25253531

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>>25253501
In the CCG, they use Samurai for what we'd call Bushi.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 06:07:48 No.25253879
>>25253525
Yes, really should get back to the topic at hand: How do I space samurai?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 06:14:52 No.25254013
>>25253879
The same as how you normally play L5R, but put the word "space" in front of every noun.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 06:20:09 No.25254118
>>25254013
So it is Eastern style Dune. How do shugenja work in space?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 06:26:55 No.25254260
>>25254118
>void mage navigators
>Unicorns riding sand worms
>nuclear dueling shields
>space barbarians
... I'm starting to get the feeling that this is better than whatever they came up with for the space setting.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 06:39:05 No.25254512
>>25254260
Yeah I am wanting to play this now. Cause with vassals and shields and explaining why they still use swords.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 07:02:17 No.25255012
Thoughts on Togashi being emperor seems okay?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 07:35:39 No.25255631
>>25250704
> RAW, it's literally impossible to make a katana
> RAW
> Read As Written


>RAW

>Shawn Carman
>I really hate that term.

After so much effort to dig the game out of that mindset, perhaps you could at least put some effort into playing the game with a little flexibility.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 07:59:56 No.25256104
>>25255631
Like I said, they errataed it pretty much immediately after they opened the errata thread, but I wonder how it passed playtesting. When doing the Tsi Smith, didn't anyone try to forge a katana? They're the imperial weaponsmiths.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 08:21:24 No.25256429
>>25256104
http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=250&t=84283

This is the errata and rules question thread. Note the section in the first post. It's the errata. Anything else is simply answering questions. Sometimes these answers are for individual tables to decide on. (Rokugan Your Way!)

That you're still herping on about how the lack of price made it impossible leads me to believe you failed to grasp something fundamental here.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:13:37 No.25257449
In my games, the Spider are a group of political dissidents who steered away from Jigoku and Fu Leng to stay loyal to Daigotsu. Their philosophy is one of humanism and common sense and their open goal is to turn the Empire around, but since they got accepted as a Major Clan, they aim to do it legally. And they accept the burden of not being able to enter Rokugan if they're Tainted.

It feels so fucking NICE to have an official counter-power in the game and not just a monopoly of honor...

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 11:07:40 No.25257790
>>25256429
You know it's possibly to laugh at retarded RAW without actually playing like that right?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 15:41:39 No.25260129
>>25256429
>Anything else is simply answering questions. Sometimes these answers are for individual tables to decide on. (Rokugan Your Way!)
And the questions that aren't decided they're for individual tables to decide are usually "no, that's not a typo, misprint, or something we didn't catch in playtesting. It's designed to be that way." It's a horrible way to run an errata thread. When people ask the designers questions, they want official answers, not "do it however you like!" Maybe, if they knew how it was supposed to be by design, they could decide on what manner they wished to do it in, instead of just guessing on design intent.

>>25257790
It's especially hilarious because this is actually one of the things they HAVE provided errata to. The Shiba bushi, master of the polearm, still has Spears as a school skill by intention but they fixed this.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 16:04:31 No.25260342
Starting a game of L5R next week and my character has a trained hawk from the Inheritance advantage.

Any one got good names for a hawk?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 16:13:41 No.25260432
Some of these advantages are weird; like being spiritually aligned with things like Jigoku or Toshigoku. Uhm, I am pretty sure that would be very bad for your family if that little tidbit of information was ever leaked. The character in question would probably be treated terribly by everyone for the darkness in their soul.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 16:18:19 No.25260478
>>25260432
It's never mentioned how that works. You should ask the errata thread, but you'd probably only get a response of "if that's the way you want to do it".

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 17:25:38 No.25261281
Bump.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 18:00:25 No.25261712
More on Boshin War Rokugan, please.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 18:13:35 No.25261887
>>25260342
What is your character like? Because if you're a kitsuki investigator I'd totally go for Devil Fire for the Hanzo refrence, but that's extremely unlikely. So, clan? occupation?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 18:42:30 No.25262227
Do the Ten Sons and Daughters, of the Yodotai pantheon, related somehow with the Kami?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 18:47:03 No.25262279
>>25262227
Most likely. Some fans think that the Yodotai are linked to Sun Tao.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 18:48:43 No.25262301
>>25262227
None of the gaijin nations have ever gotten any real fluff on them, so who knows. You might as well just make up your own.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 18:50:07 No.25262324
>>25262279
Sun Tao either was one of them or possibly united the Yodotai.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 19:35:04 No.25262910
Let's say everyone starts at IR 1.
What would be an appropriate IR for PCs to end a fairly long campaign in, in your personal point of view?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 19:36:26 No.25262929
>>25262910
As long as it takes to end the campaign.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 19:38:40 No.25262961
>>25262929
Yes, but I'm interested in how long the usual campaign for people around here is.
I've had a seventeen-session campaign over five months on Changeling the Lost, and some people have told me it's a pretty short time to play. I've heard of five-years or ten-years games sometimes. I was just wondering how long the usual L5R campaign was, and how that reflected on the PCs insight rank.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 19:40:04 No.25262982
>>25262929
This right here.

>>25262961
I dunno how long it will take for my players to get all the way through what I have in my head. So far it's been five months just about and we're just getting started.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 19:44:38 No.25263046
>>25256104
>playtesting minor clans or ronin
lol

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 20:05:38 No.25263360
>>25262961
My game's been going on for about 22 months right now, but there's no real overarching story between arc to arc. I don't like ending games just because. It'll be ending soon, after the end of this arc, and skipping about 17 years to focus on the kids of the current PCs. It's a partial reboot to fix the setting a bit further and iron out some of the flaws in the premise of the original game. The PCs are IR5 by now, so they're getting near the end of their lifespan anyway.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 21:02:23 No.25264171
>>25262982
>I dunno how long it will take for my players to get all the way through what I have in my head. So far it's been five months just about and we're just getting started.
How much xp are you giving per session?







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