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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:23:53 No.43594953

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:25:53 No.43594975
Kitsune

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:26:33 No.43594986
Repeating
>>43594913
For the new thread.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:27:50 No.43595005
Reposting from previous thread-
>>43594871
>I just started building my first vizier, and I'm wondering if it isn't way too strong. I'm going for a debuffer, level 12, 24 INT, Enhanced Capacity (Stare of the Ghaele), Path of the Ruler. I have a +2 Akashic Catalyst. My veils are Stare of the Ghaele, Pestilence Cloak, Cerebral Catastrophe Cinch, Ring of the Abjurer, Aboleth Tentacles, Crown of Inevitable Command, and Cuirass of Confidence.
>My big concern is how high I can get the DC on some of these, especially Stare of the Ghaele. At this level I have 20 essence from class, race, and feats, and the capacity on my Stare is 6, 5 for my other veils. The DC on my Stare is 12 (base) + 8 (essence) + 4 (investment bonus) + 5 (Pestilence Cloak), and Path of the Ruler inflicts a -3 penalty to Will saves against enemies within 30 feet, giving me an effective DC of 32 to stagger enemies with my gaze. Isn't that a bit high?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:29:36 No.43595026
>>43594960
I imagine wand golems to attack something like this guy, rotating 'barrels' of wants just dumping stupid amounts of spells on you if you encounter it.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:29:41 No.43595030
Is there any naga race like pic that is statted out for pathfinder that also isn't overpowered? A cultural background and fleshed out civilization and traditions I can build off of would also be appreciated.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:30:16 No.43595041
>>43594953
Fourth for unarmed strike Magus.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:31:23 No.43595057
>>43595030
Nagaji and vishkanya are hardly overpowered. If neither strike your fancy, take the tail-based shit from the merfolk race, refluff it for being a snake, and slap it on either of those two.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:33:40 No.43595076
>>43595005
I just realized I forgot to add my +7 from Int, so the DC is actually 39.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:33:45 No.43595077
Anyone got Occult Realms?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:34:25 No.43595084
>>43594986
Should probably repost:
So, I'm gonna be using the myridion+improved quickdraw+cut from the air combo, to be a quickdrawing, AoO monster. What're some feats/items/whatever, that will give bonuses for quickdrawing, and 5 foot stepping?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:35:00 No.43595091
>>43594912
Do you mean multiplied on a crit? Because i don't see why there would be multipliers on each hit.

I also came up with a very different (both to mine and to the existing) silver crown strike just now.

You do your iterative to hits etc (lets not assume the massive cap i did before, since you hated it's ability to scale with resource expenditure) but rather than roll the damage for each attack, each additional attack multiplies the first attacks damage. So hit 3 times, you do 3 times damage. If you crit, the multiplier is only the original damage, so if you got 2 hits and a crit with x3 multiplier, it would total 4 times damage, or 4 hits and a x2 crit would be 5 times damage.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:35:13 No.43595093
>>43595057
I'd like something more like the picture I posted, but the nagaji are interesting. I'll keep note of them while I keep looking.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:36:56 No.43595115
>>43595093
Do you absolutely need to use Paizo material? If not, you can look at how merfolk's stats reflect their lack of legs and apply it to nagaji for a snake tail. Also give them more arms if you like.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:36:57 No.43595116
>>43595038
My GM is actually pretty decent, so he's willing to work with me here.

Just trying to make sure this works, because I want to choke the shit out of wizards.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:38:05 No.43595133
>no half axiomite/inevitable
>no half proteans
>no half as one
>no half elementals (venues don't count)
When will paizo get on the ball?
Are we going to have to homebrew this ourselves?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:39:06 No.43595147
>>43595133
>as one
fuck
I meant aeons

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:39:42 No.43595153
>>43595133
Aren't the Ganzi technically half-Protean

And what the hells is 'as one'?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:39:50 No.43595157
>>43594959
I was actually hoping to do something a bit... silly and use a pick. Not if i went Bushi of course, but a Brutal Slayer pick to the head build. Bring down the mines on these fools.
>>43595093
The Nagaji have an amazing druid archetype that lets them transform into "true nagas" with wild shape.

Rite Publishing's "In the Company of Medusa" might tickle your fancy, it has two medusa based races in it (one for legs, one without) that are balanced (except maybe for their ability to petrify for a few rounds 1/day, which you can trade away with alternate racial trats) but are really mostly designed for use with the Medusa Paragon racial class.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:41:47 No.43595182
>>43595153
Nah, they're one-quarter or some shit, same as aasimar and tieflings.

>>43595133
The genie-kin races have alternate racial traits to let you refluff them as being descended from elementals instead. Check them out.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:41:59 No.43595187
>>43595115
If you have access to Bloodforge, there's a half-elf/half-naga race you could use.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:42:19 No.43595189
>>43595116
Okay, I'll try and convey this as simply as possible.
If you have Greater Grapple and maintain grapple as a move action, you can use a standard action strike WITHOUT having to avoid the grappled condition. But you cannot make AoOs and you cannot move, so strikes involving movement will not work.

Also the -2 to all attacks and damage applies to your strike, even if its against the target of your grapple.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:42:47 No.43595193
>>43595157
You can do that, if you don't particularly care about being optimal.

You want to play a stalker for crits. That's really most of what they're good at.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:43:23 No.43595206
>>43595153
Ganzi explicitly call out they have no outsider ancestry, but are the results of "the chaotic energies of the material plane".

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:43:24 No.43595207
>>43595115
It doesn't have to be piazo material. It could even be 4th party for all I care as long as it's balanced and has detail.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:44:38 No.43595222
>>43595189
I'm his GM. We already know this. This specifically came up when he wanted to make strikes and grapple in the same round and I specifically told him to take greater grapple.

>>43595207
Cool. Then make your own race or possibly wildshape into a naga with nagaji's naga aspirant.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:45:00 No.43595230
Way of the Wicked pdfs or the new Throne of Night?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:45:33 No.43595237
>>43595189
But if you don't actually have the Grappled condition due to a seperate feat, you can still make AoOs, correct?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:48:14 No.43595273
>>43595207
4th party? Would that be guys who make materials for Dreamscarred the way DSP makes materials for Pathfinder? Or is that shorthand for homebrew?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:49:28 No.43595296
>>43595273
I think homebrew would be 2nd party and anon was just exaggerating to illustrate a point.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:50:26 No.43595304
>>43595273
Homebrew would be 2nd party. 4th party would be homebrew of people who don't actually buy paizo products, I guess?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:51:38 No.43595318
>>43595296
I am anon and this guy is correct. I exaggerated.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:52:54 No.43595330
Speaking of grapple, how is a true dragon expected to use the crush attack effectively? Is it noted anywhere that a dragon can maintain all the pins it causes, or if/when the dragon gains the grappled condition?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:53:49 No.43595341
>>43595318
Ah, makes sense.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:56:43 No.43595383
>>43591940
Woah, a small race with a Strength bonus, finally I can do a mounted -
>Own Two Feet
What the *fuck*.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:57:19 No.43595389
>>43595330
Well. It says the dragon has to succeed on a CMB check "as normal" in crush's description. So... no, apparently a dragon can't keep crushing more than one foe. It even specifies they only take bludgeoning damage next round so it can't just keep flying up and down.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:58:35 No.43595410
>>43595005
>>43595076

Maybe a better way to start the question would be "Is a DC 39 Will save too high for a 12th level PC ability? What other classes could do that?"

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 22:59:49 No.43595429
>>43595383
THEY KNEW

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:01:12 No.43595450
>>43595383
Right?
What is the best small race from Paizo for cavaliers or mounted hunters currently?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:01:19 No.43595452
>>43595429
Well, yeah, of course they knew someone would have fun. Paizos are quick to recognize fun-having. Someone has to stop those goddamn monkeys from riding things!

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:02:50 No.43595468
>>43595450
Wayangs probably win by default by being the only small race without a Strength penalty.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:09:38 No.43595558
>>43595410
That would depend entirely on what the ability does. Even if it's de facto 95% success rate, that doesn't mean much if the effect is paltry 5d6 damage or -1 to attack rolls.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:12:24 No.43595597
>>43595558
>While wearing this veil you gain a gaze attack; enemies within 30 feet who fail their Will save vs. this ability are shaken for 1d6+1 rounds. Once a creature has failed its save vs. this ability, it cannot be affected by this ability again for 24 hours. This ability can be activated or deactivated as a standard action.

>Chakra Bind (Head): Binding this veil to your Head chakra (vizier 6) allows you to bring even more of the ghaele’s potent gaze to bear; instead of inflicting the shaken condition, enemies who fail their save vs. the veil’s ability are staggered.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:12:35 No.43595600
>>43595558
Staggered, 1d6+1 rounds, target can only be affected 1/ 24 hours.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:15:07 No.43595647
>>43595597
Staggered is pretty damn strong, so yeah, that might be a bit overpowered.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:17:26 No.43595680
>>43595193
With a Pick I'll be rolling sweet sweet D10s though, or multiplying the strength bonus damage from brutal slayer.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:19:36 No.43595719
>>43595222
Oh i didn't think you didn't know, i just wanted to cut it down to a more concise version from my wall of text earlier and repost it in this thread.
Many people don't get grappling, so if i keep repeating how it works in the thread, more people will learn.
>>43595237
Yes, the "no AoOs" is part of the condition, not "being in a grapple". So if Grab or a similar effect lets you dodge the condition, you can AoO all day.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:22:59 No.43595762
>>43595680
Falchion and Greatsword do the same thing, but better. Stalker also supports it better with increased crit range.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:23:37 No.43595773
>>43595719
Fair, probably a good idea to get better grapple education too. One of my different players took literally ten minutes to figure out his turn after I linked him the flowcharts, the Grapple section, and the Grappled condition. I kept having to remind him he couldn't use somatic or material components.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:24:03 No.43595782
Straight witch gishing. How mandatory is Still Spell? Am I better off using a spell or magic item to give me my armour bonus?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:24:08 No.43595786
>>43595133
>homebrew this ourselves
Do we want to?
I wouldn't mind

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SlackingParrot 2015-11-11 23:26:43 No.43595834
>>43595468
Small tieflings or aasimar?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:27:09 No.43595845
How does a level one magus with a constitution penalty do combat? Somehow making use of the unique class features without dying seems tricky.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:29:34 No.43595892
>>43595834
I don't think anybody really counts that sloppy mess of a Fiendish Heritage table as useful. Do you really want to go roll a d100 to see if your character works?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:29:41 No.43595895
>>43595834
Wouldn't they still take the Strength penalty for going down a size category?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:30:02 No.43595904
>>43595845
Die, hope I'm not your DM (ie don't have any rule against playing the same classes as your last death), roll a better Magus.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:32:28 No.43595948
>>43595845
Eldritch Archer.

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SlackingParrot 2015-11-11 23:32:36 No.43595950
>>43595895
Not at all. Size changes themselves dont have an inherent strength change.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:35:52 No.43596006
>>43595845
Start at fighter at level 1, at level 2 pick a level of magus and retrain your fighter level!

Fight like a caster at level 1 magus maybe? You do have the daze cantrip and can use a crossbow.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:36:25 No.43596021
>>43595762
What? How do Falchion and Greatsword give me x4s? Increased Crit Range is only good if i don't use any of the many ways of getting deadly strikes WITHOUT critting, where as if i make use of those stalker arts then my D10s will be more valuable.

Don't forget as an initiator my base weapon dice matter much less than they do to a martial, so 1d6 instead of 2d6 isn't that important when most of my damage is from strikes and deadly strike.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:37:10 No.43596033
Speaking of just starting to play Magus, why is Weapon Finesse + Dervish Dance popular? The idea as I'm told is to eliminate MAD, but why aren't you just using Strength instead of spending two feats to turn Dexterity into Strength?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:38:08 No.43596049
>>43595950
A trox gets a plus six to strength score, and four of those points are stated to be from large size. I was flipping through the bestiary recently.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:38:38 No.43596059
Just as a check: do the akashic archetypes that have access to the Daevic's veil list let you use (not necessarily bind) blood veils, or do you need to be a daevic to get that slot?

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SlackingParrot 2015-11-11 23:40:34 No.43596090
>>43596049
Pretty sure that size bonuses are entirely case by case. Hell, Alter Self gives you a+2 size bonus to strength for taking a medium form regardless of if you were medium already or not.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:41:06 No.43596099
>>43596059
Actually wait, the wording on Daevic Aspect implies that there are ways of using that veil without being a daevic, so that answers my question.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:41:29 No.43596110
>>43596021
You want Ki for other things too, though, like boosting saves.

Also, if you're playing a Brutal Slayer, you don't get Deadly Strikes, you get Furious Strikes, which is +Str, which you need crits to take advantage of.

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Gareth 2015-11-11 23:41:36 No.43596111
>>43594953
What is the line that defines a monstrous race? Do blinklings count? Decataurs?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:42:38 No.43596131
>>43596059
Pretty sure you don't even have the slot unless something gives it to you, like in the daevic's veilweaving class feature.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:42:44 No.43596132
>>43595845
>Con penalty
>level 1
>melee combat
No. Try eldritch archer, maybe.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:43:34 No.43596145
>>43596033
Spending two feats is superior to being MAD. Dervish dance magus gets to use Dexterity for damage, dodge, saves, and initiative, and intelligence for skill points and spellcasting (if kensai, also for dodge and initiative).

Aside from that, you're using a scimitar or a rapier anyway since you rely on crits for spellstrike.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:44:11 No.43596153
>>43596111
Having racial hit dice rather than advancing entirely by class levels.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:44:57 No.43596172
>>43594953
is that a Yian Kut-Ku in a business suit?
and if so, why?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:46:13 No.43596200
>>43596059
As an extension of this, what about ring veils for those who use the "vizier's veil list". I assume i can't get the bound abilities, but i can weave them in the unbound way right?
>>43596110
Well maybe i wouldn't combine Pick to the Head with that then. It seems a little wasteful to combine it with Bushi though, so i guess I'll stick with standard Stalker if i go through with this.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:51:55 No.43596299
How does the Stalker Art "Deadly Ambush" work?
It says i use the deadly strike class feature, does that mean i apply the weakness to deadly strikes for initiation modifier rounds or does it mean just the damage itself?

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:52:15 No.43596307
Playing around with an Arcanist Blade Adept build right now. Inspired Blade lvl 1 dip seems really good, you get a lot out of it. It post-pones access to EK or Hellknight Signifier, but it definitely seems worth it.

Obviously this isn't optimized, it's just an exercise to see if it could be functional but I'd appreciate some advice, especially for stats as this is quite MAD at 20pt.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:54:13 No.43596337
>>43596200
The Daevic's veilweaving says "The daevic also gains access to a special veil slot, Blood" and the Vizier has a very similar line about Rings. Seems like you'd need some way to access the slot to shape the veils, even if they are technically on your list.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:55:57 No.43596364
>>43595206

Ganzi are a huge special snowflake race, aren't they.

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Anonymous 2015-11-11 23:58:34 No.43596408
>>43596364
Yes. Also full of political bullshit.

On an unrelated note, one of my players wants to dump Wisdom without being fucked by Will saves. Anyone know a way for a Zwei warder to change the stat their Will keys off of?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:06:23 No.43596522
>>43596337
But considering >>43596099 ,
>When you shape this veil, choose one of the following Passions: Desire, Dominion, or Wrath. If you have levels in the daevic class you must choose the same Passion as that granted by your class.

It sounds like there's a way of shaping the veil without being a daevic.
Is there a way to get the blood slot without taking levels in the class?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:06:42 No.43596529
So quick question about the tier list: Why the is Promethean Alchemist/Preservationist a tier 2 class when is effectively just "a gimped summoner", even with planar preservationist? Promethean Alchemist looks pretty mediocre, and (Planar) Preservationist by itself honestly looks like it's far better, since you retain the ability to be an effective fighter /and/ throw down your pokeballs. Is it just because you can get more monsters out in a single turn? That hardly seems worth giving up bombs and all those other class features.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:07:00 No.43596535
>>43596364
>>43596408
No they aren't, the fuck?
There's no political bullshit in the Ganzi and the only thing you could take as "special snowflake" is their hair changes colour as months pass in "vibrant colours". Which doesn't mean pink and blue, but from all the art means orangey browns and the like.

They are mutants with extra fingers, eyes and toes that get them ostracized outside of this one nation. Ganzi aren't the special snowflakes, they are the non-lamashtan mutant freaks and probably the best thing Crystal has ever written.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:08:02 No.43596556
>>43596535
By which i mean the only good thing i know of, not that "normally shes good, now shes great".

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:10:37 No.43596594
>An amentum is a long leather thong that attaches to a standard javelin. Before throwing, the amentum is wound about the javelin’s shaft. You then throw the javelin while gripping the amentum, imparting spin on the weapon and greatly improving its range. Attaching an amentum to a javelin is a move action, and winding it is a full-round action. Javelins can be stored with amenta already wound about them. A javelin wound with an amentum is considered a martial weapon.

Magical amentum winder for blinkback belts/returning javelins when?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:11:55 No.43596620
>>43596594
shit, just looked up the blinkback belt, and even it's not a thing that works with javelins.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:12:48 No.43596632
>>43596594
Are you sure you would want to trust automatic magic to rapidly wind a long leather thong around your javelin's shaft in the middle of combat?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:13:03 No.43596641
>>43596529
Because gimped summoner or not, it's still powerful. Summon monster SLA is more powerful than some people realize.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:14:12 No.43596659
>>43596529
Honestly /tg/ doesn't understand tiers is the only answer i can give you. By their own definitons Cavalier is Tier 4, but its in tier 5. Its got 4+ skill points, receives an animal companion and all the many out of combat and in combat benefits that entails and can acquire several unique abilities and bonuses to skills, all whilst being the second best at single target damage after the Magus. By no possible measurement is it tier 5, its clearly tier 4, being great at one thing and okay at others. They also think the Spirit Dancer is tier 3 and the medium tier 4, when each should be dumped down one tier. They also consider Summoner and Unchained Summoner to be the same tier, despite being worlds apart in level of power and flexibility.

Ultimately the tier system is very clearly just altered by one guy who makes all the decisions arbitrarily with dubious understanding of the game.

At least its not buildposter tho, that would be a really weird tier list.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:16:31 No.43596703
>>43596659
>Buildposter
You spelled Shitposter wrong.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:17:13 No.43596721
>>43596522
Could Just be forward thinking design, leaving the door open in case they do add something. Right now, I don't think there's anything that specifically gives the Blood slot other than the daevic.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:17:47 No.43596737
>>43596659
minor quibble: it doesn't get an animal companion, it gets a horse or riding dog.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:18:55 No.43596761
>>43596659
>By their own definitons Cavalier is Tier 4, but its in tier 5[...]
I don't think anyone has really taken an in-depth look at the cavalier the last time its tier placement was decided, so I believe in this case it has little to do with "not knowing tier lists". Also worth noting that a mount is not the same thing as an animal companion.

>They also consider Summoner and Unchained Summoner to be the same tier, despite being worlds apart in level of power and flexibility.
Unchained summoner is still incredibly powerful, even if it's less powerful than the summoner. The summon monster ability was left unmolested, and that in and of itself offers a bunch of flexibility in combat, not to mention it still has access to an eidolon and spells like grease and create pit.

>Ultimately the tier system is very clearly just altered by one guy who makes all the decisions arbitrarily with dubious understanding of the game.
you sound like buildposter now.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:23:15 No.43596870
>>43596641
The Summoner's Summon Monster SLA gives basically all the tools needed to qualify a class as Tier 2 all by itself. You have a huge tool chest of options you can pick from as needed, with everything from dolphins for aquatic mounts to trumpet archons for instant cleric access, and that doesn't even touch on what you Gate in.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:23:34 No.43596879
>>43596111
I intended to mean "anything that would possibly get run out-of-town in a traditional village, and would still get stares even in a big city". That could include the Bloodforge races, as well as things like Trox or characters with racial hit dice.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:24:30 No.43596904
>>43595845

>Frontline fighter
>CON penalty

Pick one.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:24:54 No.43596914
>>43596641
>>43596659
I dunno, Promethean seems like a badly designed archetype, and I say that as someone who absolutely adores the concept. The fact that Preservationist can be stacked on it means that you can, at best, break even with a vanilla alchemist, and straight up inferior to an alchemist that only takes Preservationist.

I think the only thing it's actually better at is item crafting, since you can have your homunculus set up your extracts and regular, simple alchemy items while you craft harder stuff.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:27:13 No.43596963
>>43596904
Look, my rolls were 14/13/11/11/10/6 and I wanted to play an elf. Unless I dedicate one of my two """strong""" stats to CON, I have to take a penalty.

Group is new players anyway.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:27:27 No.43596967
>>43596659
As the guy who argued with folks until the Aegis got brought up to Tier 3, I'm pretty fucking certain there's more than one person involved in figuring out those fucking tiers.

The majority of them have had plenty of discussion.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:27:58 No.43596976
>>43596963
Good lord

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:29:54 No.43597007
>>43596963
>rolling stats
STOP DOING THIS
25-30 PB or GO HOME

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:30:11 No.43597015
>>43596737
Which has all the stats and feat progression of an animal companion. Yes, it sucks you cant get a flying one (without feats like monstrous mount, where you do) but it still provides a huge range of options in or out of combat.
>>43596761
Its been brought up in like 1 in 3 threads. Every time someone brings up tiers cavalier gets brought up. Yes, a mount is the same thing as an animal companion for everything except combat and movement types. A horse is just as capable as a bear of T rex of carrying things, alerting others, being a guard dog/alarm, tracking, getting 3 int so you can stop using tricks and everything else.

I could be buildposter for all you know, for whatever reason he took off his name. Accusing anonymous people of being other anonymous people won't accomplish anything though.

Honestly my contention with summoner was not that unchained should move down, but that summoner should move up. The versatility and game breaking that exists in its spell list, SLAs and Eidolon makes me feel its capable of adapting to any situation and doing game breakers like binding outsiders for wishes. But i feel the distinction as to whether summoner is tier 1 or tier 2 is less important than some other issues on the list. Tier 1/2 distinction has always seemed a little vague compared to the others.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:30:18 No.43597016
>>43596963
>rolling for stats
>getting a total of less then +3
Ask the GM if you can reroll them, a character is assumed to be too weak even for PFS if they don't have at least a total of a +4 to their attributes in-total. Let's put it this way, you're worse with that statline than the 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, and 8 that NPCs get to start with. Hell ask if you can take that statline, it's better than that crap you have now.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:31:00 No.43597030
>>43596529
The tier list, despite being USED for comparison quite a bit, is not in and of itself a direct comparative listing of characters.

You can be immensely weaker than another class and still be within the same tier. This is especially true of the upper ones, where position is increasingly determined by ability to tell a GM "No, the story goes this way now".

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:31:36 No.43597040
>>43597007
20-25 is normal, who the fuck plays 30?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:32:19 No.43597055
>>43597040
People who like monks and other MAD classes.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:33:03 No.43597071
>>43596963

If you're really going to play that, then even a quasi-MAD class like magus is inadvisable. Consider wizard or something else that needs a single good stat, or ask your GM for a reroll.

Or, better yet, use a statgen method that isn't garbage.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:34:26 No.43597094
>>43596967
There are a shit ton of discussions about tiers all the time, for example buildposters insane ranting about how the kineticist in one build is better than tier 5, even when that build was objectively tier 5.

But almost every discussion ends in no change, which makes me think its just touhoufag, as hes the one who makes the threads and thus choose which pastebin we see and i think changes only get made when he sees discussions on it and agrees with it.

Its just a theory, but i don't think its a baseless one.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:36:31 No.43597140
>>43597055
I think you can play monk on 25, or sorta kinda play monk on 20. 30 is extreme, even for mad classes. I've played a lot of monks and gishes and other mad builds and i really don't see how 30 is necessary, its really just going to lead to SAD classes having no weak points at all with great saves against everything and little gain for MAD classes compared to 25.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:37:31 No.43597162
>>43596535

Paizo has really weird ideas on who should or should not be shunned by society, and why.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:38:19 No.43597183
>>43597140
>>43597040
I'm playing 30PB as a monk right now. Although I'm also cheating because I'm playing that one game DTG is running that got everyone excited a month or so back

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:38:48 No.43597187
>>43596976
>>43597007
>>43597016
>>43597071
Yeah okay. I guess I'll try and reroll next session, but it looks bad making power grabs since I'm the 3.5e rules library guy helping introduce everyone to the game.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:44:18 No.43597274
>>43597162
Yes, well these guys are usually only as shunned as they are freaky. The guy with seven belly buttons can probably hide it, whilst the guy hairy elbows or who grows toenails on his forehead cant.
>>43597187
Then why aren't you the DM?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:49:59 No.43597369
>>43597187

If you're introducing 3.5 people to Pathfinder, why the hell aren't you teaching them point buy? That's PF's standard statgen system. If they go on to play with anyone else, that's what they'll use.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:50:07 No.43597372
Which "discipline combination" feats are the best?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:51:13 No.43597388
>>43597015
>getting 3 int so you can stop using tricks and everything else.

Boosting the animal's INT to 3 doesn't mean you don't have to use tricks.

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lejb?Animals-and-Their-Tricks

"If you have increased your animal companion's intelligence score to 3 using various means, then great! You can now have your companion learn any feat it can physically perform, and it can put ranks into any skill. What this increase does not accomplish, however, is any advantage in commanding your companion whatsoever. It's still the same DC 10 to handle and DC 25 to push. It may still only learn six tricks plus your druid bonus tricks. However, for every point of Intelligence it gains above 2, that is three more tricks it can learn. A smart animal will have more versatility without needing to rely on pushing."

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:51:14 No.43597389
>>43596111
>>43590893

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TIERLISTANON 2015-11-12 00:51:27 No.43597393
Well considering I am the one who updates the pastebin tier, allow me to put some speculation to rest:

>1. There is more than just me who makes the decisions. Think of it like a council almost wherein each of the individuals has a fair wealth of experience ranging from AD&D in its heyday to theoretical optimization from the various message boards.
>2. We do take /tg/'s arguments and stances into consideration - even changing things as the need presents itself. Sometimes this is faster for some movements than others.
>3. I've never watched Touhou nor do I start the threads.
>4. We aren't regular at updating. This is mostly my fault as late due to lack of communication. Sometimes real life interferes.

Generally it is best to look for or make suggestions towards tier adjustments around a book release. We'll field questions anonymously and engage in discussion for a fair while before bringing it back into internal discussion to make sure we have /tg/'s input.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:55:55 No.43597466
>>43597369
I'm someone who knows 3.5 helping out in a group that is just starting Pathfinder from mostly 0 roleplaying experience aside from the DM. They're literally being introduced to dice that have more than 6 sides for the first time, we're rolling shit rather than trusting them to know math or use lookup tables.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:57:25 No.43597490
>>43597388
That blog post totally ignores that you can have it put its point in linguistics, learning a language, which is what gives you the advantage, not inherently it being 3 intelligence. Speak with animals explicitly states animals you can speak to who are friendly to you or your allies can perform tasks for you.

Yes, i can see the RAI, but its not a RAW dismissal of commanding animal companions using common.
>>43597393
Cavalier's been an issue for months I've brought up several times and seen brought up many others. Get a move on with it.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:58:27 No.43597516
>>43597466
Coddle them and they will never learn. Use a point buy calculator or something.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 00:59:07 No.43597526
>>43597094
>its just touhoufag, as hes the one who makes the threads
Touhoufag stopped monopolizing thread creation a while back.

>>43597393
>I've never watched Touhou
Touhou isn't an anime, it is a series of bullet-hell games.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:01:00 No.43597558
Is there a vitalist guide that's finished? I read 'mental medicine' but that didn't really cover feats or items, or go into archetypes. Are there any tips from experienced vitalists?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:01:40 No.43597573
>>43597516
It's not even up to me and I'm not about to make this shit more complicated for non-nerds when that makes them so much more likely to quit before it begins. And in a session that's taken up entirely by character creation, you might as well get them excited to see some dice rolls since the rest is dry as hell for them.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:08:27 No.43597694
>>43597490
Even if the animal had the capacity for speech by putting points in linguistics, you still have to deal with a creature whose nase instincts and thought processes are different than your own. Speak With Animals is a spell, so its effects aren't really relevant. You could make a good argument that the animal having a capacity for speech means you could use Diplomacy instead of Handle Animal, but seeing as how that will almost always be less efficient than just using trained tricks, it's not very relevant.

On the usefulness of mounts vs. "true" animal companions - mounts generally have very specific limitations. You can't teach a horse to wield a glaive or pick locks like you can an ape, and getting flight requires either the (terrible) monstrous mount feats, or that you be a half orc, which falls into the "narrow specific builds don't change a classes overall tier" category. A mount is manifestly not as good as the option to choose any animal companion from the druid list.

I actually agree that Cavalier is Tier 4 though.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:24:52 No.43597988
>This is a lower-powered game. Characters will be weaker than normal. Note that enemies will be stronger than normal--so don't be afraid to run from an encounter. You'll need to use your wits to win fights.
>10 PB

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:26:18 No.43598017
>>43597988
What's the worst that could happen?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:26:24 No.43598022
>>43597988
Ouch. Good thing you can still play an effective spellcaster.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:29:57 No.43598100
>>43597694
It doesn't gain the capacity for speech, it gains the capacity to understand speech. Any being that can understand speech can act on it. There are no rules for using handle animal on humanoids because they understand speech, not because they have the humanoid type. Same as how handle animal affects magical beasts of animal intelligence.

Your fucking criticism of mounts is ridiculous. Teaching an ape to pick locks or use a glaive is a very specific and odd build, using a mount to break down doors, carry party loot, function as an alarm, gather food, track prey, obviously improve travel speed, scout ahead, act as bait, manage prisoners, retrieve items or the other bloody things it can do are still all incredibly useful abilities that greatly increase the versatility of a class without even considering breaching the trick limit.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:32:57 No.43598162
>>43597988

This is one of those campaigns that run for two very not fun months before falling apart due to "unknown" reasons, isn't it.

Is this really the right way to make a campaign feel more deadly? Give the party 10 PB (which is 5 below the recommended lowest by Paizo), raise the encounter CRs by 1, and watch as the party gets slaughtered?

Oh and I just checked where that game is from, you copy+pasted that from Myth-Weavers, you do know this might very well be another one of those "I actually get off on this" campaigns that we learned were actually a thing on that site?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:37:39 No.43598259
>>43597988
>10pb
>Wits

WHAT wits?

Oh, right, the wits that someone who put all ten points in their casting stat gets to have, as opposed to the poor fucker with 14 strength, 12 dex and 13 con...

>>43598162
The most common type of mythweavers campaign is the false one. Where they get all the players to write up as much as they can for their characters villages/towns/etc to "fill up the world", and the GM just runs away with all of it around the time they start asking "hey, when's the first session? weren't we starting tomorrow?".

Then a few months down the line some chucklefuck's trying to hawk his 'original content, donut steel' world.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:40:48 No.43598318
>>43598100
Understand speech does not mean "instantly reacts the way you want to want it to". Still an animal. It's not even really worth arguing; the rules are ambiguous at best, and they've already been clarified by Paizo.

You can think whatever you want is ridiculous, but the simple fact is that animal companion from full druid list > than mount. You get more versatility, more options, etc. There's simply more that you can accomplish with the expanded list, and you have the option of switching out to an environmentally appropriate companion with 24 hours prep, allowing you to access companions more closely tailored to your current adventure.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:42:13 No.43598344
>>43598259
>WHAT wits?
>Oh, right, the wits that someone who put all ten points in their casting stat gets to have, as opposed to the poor fucker with 14 strength, 12 dex and 13 con...

That's what I got out of it. "Wizards and SAD casters only, others need not apply".

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:43:17 No.43598371
>>43598259

He's probably referring to the "yeah flank once or twice and run from half the fights" kind of wits.

Because you can just tell this DM's going to craft unwinnable scenarios to either add "cinematic moments" or make a scenario go his way (oh, you didn't stop the plot-critical summoning ritual? While I *totally* wrote what happens if you did, let me break out the old tome describing what happens if you don't...)

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:43:55 No.43598384
>>43598162
> "I actually get off on this" campaigns that we learned were actually a thing on that site?
Wait. What.
You mean some people are "satisfied" by watching low power PCs fail? Please elaborate.

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Gareth 2015-11-12 01:44:50 No.43598401
>>43597389
No word yet. My suggestion would be to PM the guy if you have an account. If you don't, lemme know. IIRC you can also send messages via the gofundme, which'll let you note the incorrect email address (so he knows which one is you) and offer the correction (so you get your shit).

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:49:38 No.43598489
>>43598384
>You mean some people are "satisfied" by watching low power PCs fail? Please elaborate.

Myth-Weavers campaigns, when they die, become Archived. When a campaign is archived, every single post in the campaign is revealed, including stuff only the DM or specific individuals could see, including private messages.

Anon some months ago posted a link to an archived campaign where the DM and a couple of her favored butt-buddies were casually chuckling about the misfortunes she was deliberately forcing upon PCs in their campaign, up to and including in-game psychological torture and straight up murder... Which the DM was happy to do since it gave her a "killcount."

There is literally zero reason for a DM with any level of competency to need hideously low PB and upgraded encounters to make their campaign more "lethal" unless they get off on killing PCs, or want an easy way to corral PCs into doing exactly what they want for the campaign's railroad plot.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:57:29 No.43598631
>>43594953
Hey all: Need help making a Tiefling Calistra Cleric.

I'm doing this for PFS, and need help optimizing the shit outta her.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 01:58:34 No.43598655
>>43597988
Taking this hypothetical to its actual conclusion, it's not even mechanically disastrous, at least combat-wise. What happens is your players pick one of these:

18 / 15 / 8 / 7 / 7 / 7

18 / 13 / 12 / 7 / 7 / 7

16 / 16 / 12 / 7 / 7 / 7

16 / 14 / 14 / 8 / 7 / 7

16 / 14 / 12 / 11 / 7 / 7

16 / 12 / 12 / 12 / 8 / 7

14 / 14 / 14 / 13 / 7 / 7

14 / 14 / 12 / 12 / 10 / 7

14 / 13 / 12 / 12 / 12 / 7

12 / 12 / 12 / 12 / 12 / 10

And then they roleplay as the mentally-childlike characters you made them create. To reward you.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:03:55 No.43598758
>>43598489
Fuck, do you have a link to the archive of the thread or at least a campaign name? I've been having a shit day and could use a chuckle.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:08:17 No.43598835
>>43598655
>tfw >>43596963 and these all look more fun than what I got using 4d6b3

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:15:25 No.43598956
>>43598655
>gritty edgy shitfarmer 10pb
>every single player ends up being a wizard with 3 dump stats

Truly we have learned nothing since 2001.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:16:29 No.43598981
>>43598835
Now you know why rolling is shit.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:21:32 No.43599103
>>43598401
I do not, but I only just noticed the Contact Organizer button after you told me, so I'm going to go do that.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:21:37 No.43599106
>>43597988
I've played characters with worse stats. I once played a Fighter with 10 Str, 9 Dex, 8 Con, 11 Int, 11 Wis, and 12 Cha. That's 1 PB, son. No re-rolls were permitted. The GM had a minimum attribute requirement (at least one 13+) for all classes other than Fighter, so I was stuck with that class. My character still managed to outlive the rest of the original party by a dozen sessions.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:22:01 No.43599114
>not rolling 9d6b3, 8d6b3, 7d6b5, 6d6b3, 5d6b3, 4d6b3, 3d6, then playing a roll set trading game with other players so everyone gets the scores they want

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:23:01 No.43599144
>>43599114
que

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:25:22 No.43599188
>>43598956
>implying some of them aren't playing the 4 dump stat array

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:28:13 No.43599247
Everyone hates random ability scores and there's a fix for that, but what do you do for hit dice? You can't just take half the die's maximum and pretend that's average, because it's actually 0.5 higher than that.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:28:24 No.43599251
>You know the rules, roll 1d100
>Get a 100
>... Roll me a 1d3
>Get a 3
>Congratulations, it's triplets.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:29:31 No.43599274
>>43599247
X/2 + 1

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:29:49 No.43599281
>>43599247
Alternate it, you moron.

Gain 5hp on odd levels and 6hp on even.

Was that so hard?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:30:01 No.43599285
>>43599247
which is why you add 1 at 3rd level and every 2 levels thereafter

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:30:08 No.43599291
>>43599247
I generally either do average-rounded up on each die. Some of my DMs like true average, rounded up at the end.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:31:09 No.43599305
>>43596299
>How does the Stalker Art "Deadly Ambush" work?
>It says i use the deadly strike class feature, does that mean i apply the weakness to deadly strikes for initiation modifier rounds or does it mean just the damage itself?

Different anon, but I also wouldn't mind knowing this. It seems rather vague.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:33:43 No.43599340
>>43596299
>>43599305
it's pretty much just sneak attack with different dice rules. you're welcome.

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SlackingParrot 2015-11-12 02:36:17 No.43599380
>>43599247
The way both games I'm in do it is you keep track of your point-5s, so it works like FCBs with their fractional bonuses.

Drowanon's game takes it a step further though. In his game we roll for hp, but if we get less than the average, we get the average. So rolling a 1 is an 'oh well' rather than a 'fuck', but you can still roll well.

We're also allowed to retrain our hp, which is also nice.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:42:10 No.43599484
>>43598655
These only stop looking disgusting at The point where there are less than three negative modifiers (16/14/12/11/7/7).

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:42:52 No.43599495
Messing around with a Blade Adept build. Does this look passable? WBL is 1.5x.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:49:19 No.43599637
>>43599495
Is that 16 int AFTER the headband? You probably want 2 more int.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:53:58 No.43599705
>>43599637

The build is so damn MAD I did what I could, I suppose dropping STR to 7 is doable but then I'm at 21/20, and I don't have a clue what to drop at that point.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:55:22 No.43599724
>>43599637
Looks like it checks out to 20pb m8.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 02:57:37 No.43599758
>>43599724
I'm not questioning his point buy, I'm questioning his choice of how to use it.
>>43599495
>>43599705
Maybe you could like play an elf or other dex/int race instead of a human? You have good int so skilled isn't necessary, isn't there any racial bonuses that might tempt you away from that feat?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:02:28 No.43599849
I am in a campaign that is supposed to be "optimized." We start at 3rd level with 20 point buy, and we have access to only first-party materials and the GM's own homebrew. We have in the party an oracle of some kind, a house-rule-fixed magus (Eldritch Scion), and my own character, a devil-blooded tiefling "sage," a homebrew high tier 2 class by the GM:
http://kindofonfire.weebly.com/original-pathfinder-content/meet-the-sage

And then we have a human aether kineticist:
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=616617
(Bear in mind that this character is supposed to be a dual-talent human, yet lacks 5 points of point buy.)

How should I best persuade the player to do away with such a build that lacks even Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot, or better still, convince the player to switch classes altogether? What would be an ideal class to switch to that still captures the concept of a telekinetic blaster? The GM's homebrew does not directly accommodate such a concept, sadly.

I am not so sure that consigning this character to the "token comedy relief" role will be very fair to them.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:02:39 No.43599856
>Murderous Insight
>Swift action, make an attack and roll twice to hit
Alright, fair enough
>This has a duration equal to 1 plus wis mod rounds
What? Is this just for the roll twice to hit thing?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:04:48 No.43599904
>>43599849
To quote last thread: "don't, let him suffer the consequences of his actions. It is only through pain that a man can truly learn"

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:08:02 No.43599963
>>43599849
Direct him to the aether kineticist build on the pathfinder guides guide.
Its a guide that says "the aether kineticist is shit, but can trip people and is kind of fun". Its specific to aether and should help him a lot.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:08:07 No.43599965
>>43599758

Hmm, I swapped to Elf and moved the stats around a bit so base array is now

8 STR, 16 DEX, 10 CON, 16 INT, 10 WIS, 16 CHA

Bringing me to 8 STR, 22 DEX, 14 CON, 18 INT, 10 WIS, 16 CHA after items.

>>43599849
>house-rule fixed Eldritch Scion

I'd love to hear these.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:08:49 No.43599980
>>43599904
Through extreme pain?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:10:28 No.43600019
>>43599965
Should be fine if you have someone else to carry your gear or buy something that gives constant ant haul.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:17:26 No.43600137
>>43599856
Yeah it's a little absurd.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:21:10 No.43600202
>>43599856
What's that from? That can't be balanced.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:33:34 No.43600405
>>43596172
Why not?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:36:11 No.43600449
>>43600019
Muleback Cords are also good for carrying what you can't or don't want to carry in extradimensional storage; ant haul item is RAW a belt, so it conflicts with the DEX belt, but Muleback cords aren't belt slot, so they can be bought before he has the dosh to slap ant haul on the belt.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:38:04 No.43600481
>>43600449
Muleback cords occupy the shoulder slot though, which he's currently using for the cloak of resistance.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:38:31 No.43600490
>>43600449
Wow, rereading my post has shown what a horrid pile of word spaghetti it is. I'm actually kind of ashamed of myself.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:38:45 No.43600494
>>43599980
Why does this face remind me of Bateman? Have I been on here for too long?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:39:32 No.43600503
>>43600494
I am still trying to determine for myself if it's a shooped face or not.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:42:20 No.43600545
>>43600503
>Excuse me Daedalus,

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:43:33 No.43600561
>>43600494
The face is CIA.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:44:29 No.43600572
>>43595084
Gonna bump this question. I feel like there should be something that keys off one of those, at the very least, or if not that, all the AoOs.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:45:08 No.43600583
>>43595084
Mithral Current discipline, I think. The landschnekt prc likes it too.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:47:18 No.43600612
>>43600481
Get a Vest of Resistance from Steelforge.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:47:32 No.43600616
Is there a weapon like Vegas' claw? I can't seem to find one.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:48:48 No.43600635
>>43600616
Spiked gauntlet?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:51:16 No.43600668
>>43600635
But Vegas claw can be disarmed.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:51:48 No.43600679
>>43600668
Refluffed punch dagger?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:53:54 No.43600708
>>43600679
I figured that's what I'd roll with if I couldn't find anything, hoped to keep refluffing to a minimum but it can't be helped.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:55:22 No.43600730
>>43600616
Tekko Kagi. Martial Weapon. Was in Ultimate Combat. On SRD.

You're welcome

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 03:58:04 No.43600769
>>43600668

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:04:35 No.43600879
>>43600730
>Exotic, 1d3, 20/x2, can disarm, +2 to disarm only against shitty swords
They need to establish a design rule where writers are not allowed to even put a weapon into a table if with a 1d3 damage entry unless it's a table of improvised garbage to throw around a bar brawl.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:04:59 No.43600886
>>43600730
>1d3 exotic weapon with 20x2 crit range
>Not even a monk weapon.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:06:10 No.43600906
>>43600879
Wow! Even a Dagger does more and has a better crit range. Hope the disarm is worth it.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:07:52 No.43600934
>>43600616
Claw blades and rending claw blades. Also, Talons of leng if you have mad money

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/claw-blades

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-weapons/specific-magic-weapons/rending-claw-blade

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:08:47 No.43600948
>>43600934
Literally only for Catfolk and aren't weapons in their own right anyway.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:12:01 No.43600996
>>43600879
>>43600886
Hey, all I said was they existed, not that they were any good at all. It's still exactly the same Weapon as Vega's, not my fault Bhulman was bullied by another nerd who mained him in SF.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:12:17 No.43601000
>>43599904
>>43599963

I have spoken with the player in question for a bit, and all they have to say in response is:

>i like the telekinesis and abilities and i want to try it out instead of playing something i always play.

Should I let them play the aether kineticist anyway?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:13:05 No.43601013
>>43601000
Does your game have access to SoP? Maybe you could convince them to play a character from there with the TK sphere.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:13:36 No.43601019
>>43601000
Let him fall anon. Let him fall upon his sword.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:14:08 No.43601026
>>43600996
>humans
>caring about racial restrictions

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:17:43 No.43601084
>>43601013

No. As I mentioned above, the only allowed sources are first-party material and the GM's own homebrew, which does not contain anything telekinetic-related.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:21:41 No.43601128
>>43601084
I'd consider talking the DM into making burn into just a daily resource, instead of one that damages him. They're a very low tier 4ish, but changing that would make them merely mediocre instead of awful.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:24:31 No.43601169
>>43601084
>>43601128
Be sure to have math on hand when you do this, it's been posted a few times in previous threads here, of how shit Burn is as a mechanic.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:37:45 No.43601378
Are there any good ways of getting unlimited out of combat healing for the whole party in a campaign with 3.5 and DSP allowed, that aren't:
-Hitting stuff with silver crane / unquiet grave
-Having a vitalist in the party
-Boots of the earth
-Ring of regeneration
-Cure Minor Wounds as an Orison
-Getting a small positive energy elemental familiar
?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:38:23 No.43601391
How do I make the Double Hackbut/Culverin work?
Its a really cool weapon but combat is usually half over by the time you set it up or you'll be spraying half your guys in the back if you shoot it.
Would a Large Size character race and dealing with the inappropriate weapon size make it worth it?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:39:10 No.43601399
I haven't paid attention to any /pfg/s since last week. Have I missed anything notable?

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Shitty Kineticist-fag 2015-11-12 04:39:51 No.43601411
>>43601128
FINALLY! the opportunity to shill my kineticist overhaul

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RnvxfcyHuFN86Sj4dNn6SsX_8RxEuOMNS8JuY8OJZ3Y/edit?usp=sharing

things to note though is that even though I've looked through it a couple of times, there may very well be things I missed that don't quite make sense, but for the most part it should be much better than the default kineticist.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:41:36 No.43601428
>>43601391
Use Psitech (ArcForge?) Mechs to carry and load the weapon, since it can make siege weapons and similar more viable.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:43:39 No.43601457
>>43601399
/tg/ saved ErrantX from homelessness

That was pretty cool

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:44:48 No.43601473
>>43601457
Wut. How'd we do that?

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:46:02 No.43601487
Hey, what do you think would be the most appropriate skill to roll secretly for determining if a PC notices the fine print in a contract? Perception, Linguistics, or Sense Motive?

Also, supposing no PC passed the check, whatever it it, do you think it's a dick move on my part? If the contract comes back up later, the party will have hunter-knights from the cabal of undeath that they made shady dealings with chasing after them for execution and re-animation.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:48:04 No.43601516
>>43601473
ErrantX's life imploded. They had a gofundme. We managed to raise enough money to meet the goal in literally a day.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:48:36 No.43601524
>>43601487
Look up Forgery kits, they should lead you to Forgery rules, which are probably the best thing to compare this to.

>>43601516
Huh. Neat. We do still get shit done.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:49:48 No.43601539
>>43601378
Persisted Mass Lesser Vigor is doable with 19,800gp and two feats. Empower Spell, Persistent Spell, a minor schema of Concurrent Infusions, and a minor schema of Metamagic Item.

Concurrent Infusions -> Spell-Storing Item infusion to make a 1-charge wand of any spell of up to 4th level, then Metamagic Item the wand to apply Persistent Spell to it. In a pinch, it can also become literally any other persisted buff of those levels.

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Anonymous 2015-11-12 04:54:16 No.43601619
>>43601516
That makes me feel a little warm and fuzzy inside.

>>43601524
Okay, haven't heard of them before but I'll check them out. Not that it actually matters, since I am the DM, but are they 3PP?

Also, you know, while I was worried about some of my players possibly getting upset at me over the situation if it happens, it suddenly dawns on me that if a player gets buttmad about something like that I probably should consider that his problem, not mine. I mean, I never promised I'd make everything nice for the PCs, and if you're considering dealing with shady organizations you better be ready for them to pull something shady.

I dunno, it just seems like making secret rolls on behalf of the PCs, even though it preserves the atmosphere and keeps the surprise, is kinda prone to making people feel angry. Never even mind the people that accuse you of fudging or never even making said secret rolls.







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