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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 08:33:59 No.25256594

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>>25222974

>Last time, on Song of Swords,

"You've been talking to that slut Yataghan again haven't you!"

"Tulwar, baby, please, I swear, I don't curve that way!"

"My mother was right about you, Khanda."

And now: Song of Swords.


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Anonymous 2013-06-05 08:36:17 No.25256625
That is a neat blade. Looks like somebody mated a yataghan to a shamshir hilt.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 08:36:48 No.25256636
I told you Tulwar. I told you. You should've been with Shashka, why couldn't you just forgive him!?

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 08:37:42 No.25256645
>>25256625
I know right? Goddamn beautiful. Something about forward sweeping swords just gets me every time.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 08:39:35 No.25256677

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"Khanda, you fucking bitch, even with the invaders?"

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 08:42:42 No.25256707
So, question about the fantasy setting: Fantasy Weapons. Now to clarify, I don't mean ludicrous swords made out of crystal or things like that, I mean weapons that would be anachronistic in a historical setting, but which are there for thematic reasons. What cool shit are we going to see that won't be in the Historical setting?

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 08:43:41 No.25256717
>>25256636
Shashka betrayed her trust, he should'vet known better than to hide the fact that he was guardless for so long.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 08:46:00 No.25256743
So in this game, what do you do if someone shoots at you with a gun or something? Do you just die, or do you get a dodge roll? Because I hate dodge rolls against guns, but dying to missile weapons also sucks.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 08:46:54 No.25256753

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Swordguns. Yes?

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 09:04:32 No.25256899
>>25256707
Most things we put in the fantasy setting will also appear at some point or another in the historical supplements, if not in the core 15th century setting.

However there is talk of approaching fantasy swords in a new way: By combining guard/grip designs with blade designs that never appeared in real history due to cultural distance, but which would've probably worked fine. The same works with polearms, axes, maces, etc. We're wary about doing this without consulting experts, but it sounds like a better idea than wildly trying to invent an entirely new design of sword out of scratch.

As for more mundane swords, you'll be seeing some very strange developments in the fantasy setting. Things like smallswords predating rapiers (blame the elves,) a naginata analogue being common in Dace, and bar maces being the national weapon of Holy Illegon.

I think I speak for all of us when I say that bar maces need more exposure.

>>25256743
Hold on, this is going to take more space than I've got.

>>25256753
There will be rules for 'unique' weapons, which may well include firearms built into the handles of swords, axes, or knives.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:06:42 No.25256920

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>>25256899
>Bar Maces
Yes.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:08:11 No.25256933
>>25256899
How about a SpearRifle?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:14:09 No.25256989

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>>25256899
The filipinas have some cool handles btw, and weird looking blades.
And of course India.

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 09:14:31 No.25256995
>>25256743
You cannot dodge bullets, necessarily, but you can make yourself harder to hit through evasive action and trying to take cover. There is no good way to represent this except with some sort of opposed roll, and I apologize if this offends your sensibilities.

It will probably be a Mobility test at a TN determined by available cover. Against bows and crossbows, however, a shield might effectively be used, and bullets also have a decent chance of impacting a shield if fired from the front, giving you a better chance of surviving. Wear some good armor and keep your head, and you should be able to survive a bit of lead flying around.

>>25256933
Or perhaps a spear-rifle, yes. Bayonets will also be statted out, though obviously they won't be available in the 15th century, but early instances could occur, and arquebuses with built-in melee utility must've existed at some point.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:16:15 No.25257013
>>25256899
What the fuck happened in Dace that they ended up with naginatas? Wouldn't those weapons be pretty useless on a 15th century battlefield full of armored knights and stuff?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:17:27 No.25257024
>>25257013
There's more to a 15th century battlefield than just guys in full harness.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:23:11 No.25257071
>>25257013
The naginata its a glaive with a more rounded (and fragile) staff, who let it to slice very well. Perhaps they love cutting things.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:24:29 No.25257091
>>25257071
Naginata staves aren't particularly fragile, at least not ones meant for battlefield use. They're made from tough wood like oak.

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 09:27:33 No.25257111
>>25256989
Sexy.

>>25257013
Plate might be common, but for most soldiers that begins and ends at a breastplate, a helmet, and perhaps some accessories for the arms and legs. The rest is a combination of brigandine and textile armor, mail itself is going out of fashion at this point, at least in Western Europe.

So the Naginata, here called the Dacian Glaive to be differentiated from a regular Glaive, is mostly used to attack extremities and limbs, something for which it is very well suited, particularly because these are mostly armored with cloth at this point.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:27:38 No.25257112
>>25257091
Hell, the hafts of ones for modern naginatado are made from oak, it's the BLADES that are carved bamboo.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:28:48 No.25257125
>>25257091
They are more "lentille" like, a staff from the same wood in one or another polearm, and doing the same things, and the naginata one will break first.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:31:04 No.25257146
>>25257125
I don't really see how, at least not to a degree that would mean much of anything in a given battle. Wonder if KM's on, he might know something about this.

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 09:34:31 No.25257169
>>25257146
I've heard that the shape of a naginata grip is more ovular than round, which would logically make it resist less force coming across its narrower section than the wider. That would in turn logically make it less durable compared to one with a more solid haft, but I don't think anyone is claiming that it is a weapon unfit for the battlefield, since it was... You know. Used in war.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:36:46 No.25257185
>>25257169
That's what I meant by "not meaning much for a given battle". It'd be more of a logistical problem than a practical battlefield weakness.

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 09:38:28 No.25257197
>>25257185
Indeed. I wonder why the haft is that shape, though, do you suppose it gives you more control over it? Perhaps it makes it easier to keep the blade facing the way you want it to.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:39:00 No.25257202
>>25257169
Most of the stress, however, should be across the wider section, which should be STURDIER than a purely circular haft. That's the section that lines up with the naginata's head.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:39:34 No.25257209
>>25257197
Yeah. It kind of simulates the grip one gets off a sword's hilt.

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 09:42:01 No.25257225
>>25257202
Now I hadn't thought of that. Yes, of course, because of the profile, you can make the most stressed part sturdier than normal, and it will still fit the hand.

Coupled with >>25257209, it's actually rather ingenious. It might falter if struck the wrong way, but it certainly seems like an agile polearm, so that shouldn't be much of a problem comparatively.

Man. What a cool weapon.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:47:44 No.25257256
>>25256899
Wait, how is it possible for smallswords to predate rapiers?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:48:07 No.25257259
>>25257225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwSIcUdSREo

It is fairly agile indeed, though this is just the sport form in action.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 09:51:00 No.25257287
>>25257256
If it's elves, they probably skipped straight over the thuggish, street tough phase of the rapier straight to the ornamental dueling weapon that is the smallsword.

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 09:57:55 No.25257333
>>25257256
The weapon (which is not -exactly- a smallsword mind you, but shares stats with one because it is functionally identical) was developed by the Iron Elves because their culture makes armament mandatory, but 1): They're a bunch of scientists and intellectuals, not soldiers, and 2): There is almost no chance of them ever actually ending up in combat because they live in very secure fortresses. Smallswords are sweet looking, fit the requirements of 'can kill people,' and are rather unobstrusive regardless of lifestyle.

The rapier itself will probably in-setting result from humans getting their hands on these things and making them bigger and more flamboyant, combining with parallel developments of estocs and stuff like that.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:02:45 No.25257370
>>25257333
The imagery of a scientific community where everyone is armed is for some reason hilarious to me.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:08:46 No.25257418
>>25257333
Smallswords are probably pretty hard to kill people with, too, which makes sense for Elves since they can't afford to get killed in stupid ways. Assuming they allow dueling at all.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:11:40 No.25257434
>>25257418
Well, it's a thrusting weapon, so it's gonna be pretty lethal compared to, say, a cutting sword like a saber.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:15:06 No.25257459
>>25257434
My instincts are telling me that it should be the other way around, but I'm not enough of an expert to comment on that.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:16:40 No.25257471
>>25257459
Cutting blades are easier to disable a man with, but rarely kill outright. Thrusting weapons require extreme precision to put a man down quickly, but the wounds they leave tend to be ultimately lethal.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:20:34 No.25257498
>>25257418
>>25257459
Stabing its more mortal than cutting, you need to stab 5-6 cm in the thorax to be sure to kill some one without modern medicine, while cuts are more showy but don't kill unless a lot of blood its spilled (cutting a major blood canal and all).

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:23:31 No.25257515
>>25257498
>(cutting a major blood canal and all)

Which, to be fair, you can find in a lot of the favorite cutting targets in most sword traditions that use cut-focused blades.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:33:20 No.25257574
The whole thrusting-vs-cutting question is actually a pretty tricky one. Cutting is certainly more likely to instantly kill or (more likely) disable, but thrusts are far more difficult for less technologically advanced physicians to deal with (as organ damage is more difficult to treat than tissue or bone damage). So you're more likely to die from a serious stab wound than a serious slash,

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 10:35:33 No.25257592
>>25257418
They don't kill each other too often, but that's more because they're not really an honor-driven society so much as a success driven one. Duels do happen, but it's infrequent.

>>25257471
>>25257515
George Silver (surprise) did much to demean the point in his essays, at least in comparison with the cut. Probably a bit of nationalistic exaggerating, but some traditions do seem to hold the point in a degree of contempt, possibly as a result.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:36:01 No.25257596
>>25257574
Yeah. Assuming what >>25257498 and >>25257515 mentioned doesn't happen and the cut tags something critical like the femoral or carotid artery. That happens, you're kaput in probably less than a minute.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:37:44 No.25257606
>>25257592
I've always favored a balance of point and edge myself. You see the two nicely balanced in German longsword, for example.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:39:30 No.25257620
>>25257592
Silver's issue was mostly aimed at rapiers as opposed to the short sword, which is I suppose appropriate given the context of this conversation.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:41:10 No.25257634
>>25257620
"Short sword' in Silver's parlance meaning basket-hilted backswords like the mortuary sword and the Scottish basket claymore, yeah?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:44:01 No.25257649
>>25257634
Yeah, not like gladius-sized swords. Short compared to a longsword or a rapier. Sideswords, backswords, messers maybe. I'm not sure what was in period.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:52:31 No.25257698

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>>25257649
Probably backswords. Sideswords would've been a bit dated by then, I think.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:55:31 No.25257719
>>25257698
I get confused sometimes as to when the sidesword was in vogue. Was it a 16th century thing?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 10:57:54 No.25257737
>>25257719
Yeah, though the name "sidesword" tends to be applied a bit awkwardly at times. You could find swords that most might call that throughout most of the 16th century, and even as early as the very late 15th.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 11:06:38 No.25257783
What was Silver's problem with the rapier, anyway? I hear this mentioned a lot in these threads and other threads talking about ancient weapons.

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 11:16:57 No.25257851
>>25257783
At the time, there were a lot of Spanish and Italian swordmasters dominating both the fashion and the fencing scene, even in England. Silver, who was really, really English, took offense to this, and so went out of his way to demean what he perceived as foreign weapon traditions. He also mostly advocated very military weapons (bills, swords, spears, etc) over the rapier, which obviously wasn't much use in war.

So basically, it was as much nationalism as it was his ideological opposition to civilian swords.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 11:21:13 No.25257886
>>25257851
>Silver, who was really, really English

I don't know why, but this made me chuckle.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 11:21:59 No.25257895
>>25257851
So he was basically to swords and fencing what Jeremy Clarkson is to cars and auto racing?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 11:22:26 No.25257898
Thought i'd drop another possible subreddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/ArmsandArmor/

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 11:26:25 No.25257934
>>25257783

1) it was a filthy Italian weapon as opposed to a good, honest English weapon.

2) He claims to have seen people get stabbed through the heart with a rapier and remain combat capable for several minutes. He compares this to a cut from a backsword to the head or the sword arm of your enemy (his preferred targets), which immediately ends the fight.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 11:27:53 No.25257944
>>25257934

There's some evidence he was right about the latter: http://www.classicalfencing.com/articles/bloody.php:

>While a stab wound to the heart is a grave matter, numerous instances of penetrating wounds to this organ have been documented in which victims have demonstrated a surprising ability to remain physically active. In 1896 a case was reported in which a twenty-four year old man was stabbed in the heart. Despite a wound to the left ventricle which severed a coronary artery, the victim not only remained conscious, but was also able to walk home.15 Much later, in 1936, a paper was presented to the American Association of Thoracic Surgery in which thirteen cases of stab wounds to the heart were cited. Of these, four victims were said to have collapsed immediately. Four others, although incapacitated, remained conscious and alert for from thirty minutes to several hours. The remaining five victims, thirty-eight per cent of the total, remained active: one walking approximately twenty-three meters and another running three blocks. Yet another victim remained active for approximately ten minutes after having been stabbed in the heart with an ice pick, and two managed to walk to a medical facility for help.16 In another instance a report cites an impressive case of a man stabbed in the left ventricle. Despite a wound 1.3 centimeters in length, the victim was able to continue routine activity for some time and lived a total of four days before expiring.17 In 1961, a survey conducted by Spitz, Petty and Russell included seven victims stabbed in various regions of the heart. While none of these people expired immediately, some were quickly incapacitated. Five were not, however, and one victim, despite a 2 centimeter slit-like "laceration" located in the left ventricle, managed to walk a full city block. After arming himself with a broken beer bottle, the victim finally collapsed while in the act of attempting to re-engage the individual who stabbed him.18

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 11:32:51 No.25257982
>>25257944
Damn, that's scary.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 11:34:40 No.25257993
On the naginata oval shaft, i was under the impression that European polearms were often oval too, at least those where edge alignment mattered. I've also heard of octagonal poles but i think that was for pikes, i guess it was cheaper that way.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 11:37:39 No.25258019
>>25257993
Sounds likely. For that matter, Japanese yari tend to have circular shafts, same as European spears.

I remember hearing that pikes tend to have metallic bracing bits at strategically placed spots along the shaft to combat sagging.

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 11:43:33 No.25258085
>>25257895
I had to go and look up who that was in order to say "yes."

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 11:44:48 No.25258103
>>25257944

I wonder, could you represent that in SoS?

If damage works the same way as in RoS (with shock, pain and bloodloss all being separate) you presumably could by giving the thrusting damage tables higher bloodloss but lower shock and pain, while giving the cutting damage tables the reverse.

So stabbing someone through the heart with a rapier will kill them after a round or two, but they'll be more or less capable of fighting for those rounds. Meanwhile disemboweling someone with a cutlass will put them out of the fight pretty much instantly but they might take a while to actually croak from it.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 11:50:44 No.25258169
Possible fecht guy from
>>25256469
here.

The forces of nature has forced me to disengage all electronics and I'm living on battery life here. Damn thunderstorm sneaked up on me.

So, no fecht today by me at least. I'll make some characters for all the games and you can decide what system to use. I'll try to garner some interest by asking what kind of fecht you people would want to see tomorrow, apart from John Galt running SoS.

So, whaddaya want?
Some Mass effect style combat in the land of chest-high walls?
Combat against a big bad monster ala Shadow of the colossus?
Time Wizards creating pudding and pondering the meaning of cat?
Big burly gay bear against a forest folk?
Favorite weapons in surreal game?

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 11:52:12 No.25258188
>>25258103
I'm the one who's actually got to redo all of the damage tables. I'm hardly a medical trauma expert, but if it this makes sense to everyone here, it's what I'll do.

Actually, as long as we're on the subject was there anything egregiously wrong with the RoS damage system that you'd like to see rectified?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 11:55:03 No.25258227
>>25258103
Just remember instant collapse also happened on heart thrusts. It might have something to do with puncturing several ventricles, making it impossible for blood to flow properly, but i'm no doctor.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:01:27 No.25258284
>>25258169
Chest High Walls. You don't see gunfire too often in fechts.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:01:42 No.25258285
>>25258188

I don't know anything about game design, but I know my favorite damage tables ever made were these hilariously gory fanmade WFRP ones written by a surgeon:

http://www.windsofchaos.com/?page_id=19

An example hit:

>The point of your weapon lodges in the thighbone, cracking it as you wrench your weapon loose. Roll 1d10. On 1-5 a fatty marrow embolus dislodges and travels through your opponent’s bloodstream to his lungs where it becomes stuck on his next turn, causing a fatal pulmonary embolism, a massive clot in the lungs. On 6-10 the thighbone shatters, the jagged end of it ripping apart his femoral artery as he falls to the ground, causing blood to fountain from the wound. Regardless of the result your opponent falls immediately unconscious and dies inevitably within d10/2 turns.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:04:11 No.25258304
>>25258227
Also i don't know if RoS or SoS rules reflect such things, but if we compare two swords of the same length, weight and balance, when thrusting the wider one will cause a more serious wound while the thicker one will have an easier time against some armors (wide blades can actually be quite good against cloth armor as they can cut it easily). On the cut the wider sword (though mostly because it'd be thinner) can penetrate deeper and is probably better against cloth armor too, while both will be pretty shit against harder armors when cutting.

That is to say, Silver's beloved sword is probably more deadly on the thrust than the thinner rapiers.

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 12:06:34 No.25258319

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>>25258285
Oh my god.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:07:50 No.25258323
>>25257895

He was basically the John Clements of his period.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:12:58 No.25258353

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>>25258323
Imagine 16th century Riddle of Steel receiving George Silver's recommendation.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:16:58 No.25258383
>>25258284
First and only vote, chest-high walls in the world of Heimot it is tomorrow.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:17:22 No.25258388
>>25258319
I can't tell if that's a corner fed room or not, but given the way the door doesn't bounce it's not. Which means the second guy through sucks on so many fucking levels.

Of course, they all freeze in the fatal funnel anyways, so they'd be dead if this were a real clearing.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:17:59 No.25258393
>>25258383
VICTORY!

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:19:29 No.25258405
>>25258353
>Rapiers are underpowered in Paradoxes of Defence.jpg

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:20:40 No.25258413
>>25258388
Aren't they waiting in front of a window?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:27:50 No.25258486
>>25258413
They wait in front of a window, they don't have their weapons raised as they go into the room, they're covering nothing as they're stacked, they're touching the walls, they're too far apart when they enter, and of course, they're way, way too slow moving into the room.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:38:56 No.25258585
So, this has been bugging me. The Fechtbuch, which is to say, the fencing manual that is to be part of the Kickstarter, is supposed to be written in universe by Sarah Gizka. That's great, everyone likes Gizka, she's cool. But I detect a flaw inherent to the reasoning here, and that is what conceivable utility could such a manual have given who wrote it? If you think about it, she's never actually done anything in any of the fights to suggest that she knows much about swordfighting except how to win reflex tests when going red/red.

Maybe this is part of the joke, but realistically I feel like all of the lessons in such a work would be things like "When your foe reaches fore his swoard, allowe yourselfe to contacte ye speedfoarce, ande thruste into his groine at reletavistic velocitee. This killes the crabb."

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:45:01 No.25258646
>>25258585
>What do you meane you cannot breake the sound barrier withe your thruste? Get on my level, or gette out of my classe, fuckewitte

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:53:31 No.25258723
>>25258585
It might be more of a Musashi situation. Why break out clever maneuvers when nobody is anywhere near your level? Particularly against Hef and stuff, where would her clever swordplay have come up?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 12:57:57 No.25258764
>>25258188
I saw some EMS threads on /k/ last week, I think. From the stories there and the ones about heart-thrusting, it seems wounding people is very unpredictable. A guy takes a shotgun blast to the chest and lives long enough to grab his own gun and kill who shot him. Someone else hits his head in the wrong place and dies. Maybe incorporate a little of that randomness?

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 13:07:08 No.25258840
>>25258585
Fechts are always crazy, because the actions therein are decided by /tg/, and /tg/ is balls to the walls bananas. In general, when a character participates in a /tg/ Fecht, try to imagine that beforehand, they did three or four lines of cocaine, because that makes their actions a lot more reasonable sounding.

>>25258764
You know, there's something to commend that line of reasoning. I'm reading through these realistic damage tables from the above post (they're fucking great btw) and I like the idea of a sub-roll for permutations on the same wound level.

It might not be practical for what we're trying to do, but I'm willing to experiment with anything.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 13:15:05 No.25258897
>>25258840
Cool, although maybe more dice to roll in a combat might not be what you're looking for.

I was thinking that it would also stop stuff from D&D, where you can figure out the AC and how many hitpoints it has. Now, maybe that knight is really dead, orhe's just unconcious underneath thatarmor and is about to wake up.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 13:18:49 No.25258927
>>25258585
The first time we saw her stats (probably also all the other times, but I'm not sure about these) on could see, that she indeed had some kind of education as she had not only a fuckhuge amount of CP but also enjoyed the advantages of the progressive school. Now I don't know if that means, that she actually had any formal education, but she probably had a good teacher.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 13:27:48 No.25258995
>>25258840
Hey Jimmy, how would infantry attacking a pike formation work, mechanically? Will it be multiple rolls to get past the pikes to a closer combat?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 13:30:15 No.25259011

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>>25258927
The School does imply formal education, but Progressive in particular in RoS refers to schools that are all about winning at all costs, and have little interest in formality or tradition. I think the specific bonus they get is that they can do one borderline cheating manuever at an easier difficulty.

In other words she probably learned from Cobra Kai.

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 13:43:08 No.25259106
>>25258995
If you do it alone, you'd probably end up going Red/Red against like five people with a looooot of reach on you. That's basically a death sentence.

If you do it as part of a group, you've got a better shot, but because of how densely they can be stacked and the length of their weapons, you might still end up fighting two or three people at once. It is survivable though, particularly if you have a large shield or a lot of armor. In general however I would advise against charging pike formations unless you have a lot of friends with you, or are the juggernaut.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 13:47:36 No.25259148
>>25259106

Will pushing down pikes with Zweihanders be possible?

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 13:55:32 No.25259221
>>25259148
Definitely my friend, that right there is called a Beat. And though the historical authenticity of the claim is debatable, the Hew maneuver will allow you to potentially break pikes as well. When in historical doubt, we default to what lets players break more things.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 13:57:14 No.25259234
>>25259011
Explains why she's a psycho. Medieval Cobra Kai, had to dress up like a skeleton and murder other kids in the streets of Venice as part of her training.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 14:52:21 No.25259701
>>25259106
Awesomesauce. I want to lead a party of pikemen now. And I'm totally gonna through a dozen pikes at the players of my test run to see what they think of to do.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 15:15:22 No.25259907
So what's this, again?

I see people talking about Riddle of Steel and I'm interested.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 15:16:12 No.25259916
>>25259221
Zweihanders are my favorite weapon, are they actually in the game? I know it may seem minor but...I love my zwei...

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 15:18:38 No.25259940
>>25259907
It's a revamping of RoS. The guy who used to do fechts (John Galt) organized a company to make Song of Swords. Their Beta is coming out soon followed by a kickstarter. They have a website up.
http://www.opaquegames.com/

>>25259916
Yes, yes they will. And they will do all we love them for, breaking pikes, mid-sword grip for stabbing etc.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 15:20:46 No.25259960
>>25259916
Why wouldn't they be? Game's set in the 15c baby!

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 15:38:49 No.25260101

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Incidentally, for those concerned, I actually have a better source for something Rome posted one or two threads ago.

He had an image, clearly from a manuscript, of two fully armored knights fighting with warhammers and shields. Well the shields seemed anachronistic, and it is common knowledge these days that shields and plate armor didn't get along, but as it turns out, not only were these shields real, but we have both woodcut depictions of their use in battle, and surviving examples of the shields themselves. The genesis of the design, certain woodcuts, and other sources suggest that these shields were popularized by the Hussites, and later became fashionable and popular throughout Europe, and were still being made and carried on campaign by some powers in the early 16th century.

This one belonged to the King of Hungary, Matthias Corvinus.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 15:45:36 No.25260159
>>25256291
>Also the State Board of Equalization (as in the guys who handle tobacco taxes. I just quit smoking, what, was I contributing that much to the state budget?) are looking for me, and that's sort of put my mind ill at ease.
Are you Dale Gribble?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 15:59:15 No.25260288
>>25260159
This whole operation just got a lot funnier to imagine.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 16:08:35 No.25260379
>>25258585
You mean like the Hero of MaoYuu Maou Yuusha? Who uses the Hero Style of Swordfighting and can't teach recruits worth a damn because not everyone is a Hero as well?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 16:12:03 No.25260422
>>25260379

"Get ye a wibbly feel in yon sword hand, then surge forth with a 'Shwang'. Thus the Seven Veil Piercing unfailingly defeats the foe."

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 16:12:25 No.25260425

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>>25258585
>this killes the crabb

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 16:36:03 No.25260689
>>25257592

you must have misread him to think that. He states there is no perfect fight without both the edge and the point, the cut and the thrust. while a lot of his writing against the newfangled rapier in England is to an extent nationalistic amd xenophobic, he does make points that are extremely valid in the context of teaching a sword art that can serve as personal defense, sport, and war.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 16:37:33 No.25260708
>>25257634

yes, my short sword has a blade 36 inches in length.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 16:41:06 No.25260747
>>25257851

His arguments were framed that he felt it and the culture surrounding it was killing the young men in duels pf honor and streetfights because of the encouragement to do so and the shoddy instruction that was being imported npt teaching students to defend while assaulting.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 16:44:05 No.25260783
>>25258323

youshutyourwhoremouth.gif

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 17:47:13 No.25261530
>>25259940
Interesting.

I want to see how he's doing grappling.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 18:30:14 No.25262063
>>25258285


THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS!

THIS MUST MAKE IT IN!!! DO YOU HEAR ME GALT AND ROME?!?

...at least make it optional!

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 18:35:39 No.25262131
>>25258646

Isn't Wesley Snipes forced to not be completely black belt awesome in the movies where his characters know some martial arts?

Wesley Snipes has attained(or however you write it!) Black Belt in Karate

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 18:38:18 No.25262172
>>25259106

flammenberg type of swords, are they in or not?

also: can you customize your weapons(blade, hilt, pommel, materials, craftmanship etc)?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 18:56:44 No.25262412

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>>25260708
Everyone thinks the gladius was short, but the hispanensis at least were 26-31 inches long.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 19:24:35 No.25262770
>>25262412
JIMMEHBOYAH, when you release the beta will we get possibly at some point beta updates to add, or example, magic systems?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 19:38:28 No.25262956
>>25262063

also(i'm quoting my own post): Isn't a variation of these crit-tables in Dark Heresy and the other wh40k pnp rpg's from FFG?

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 19:42:17 No.25263014

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>>25262172
Since Zweihanders are in, I would expect flamberge swords to be in as variants. Though there was debate several threads ago as to what the possible benefit of a wavy blade was.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 19:46:19 No.25263068
Scythians.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 19:49:04 No.25263111

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>>25260422
>How to kille ye dragone

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 19:51:30 No.25263146
>>25263068
Roxolani!

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 19:55:25 No.25263203
>>25263146
>doesn't even wipe his boots with the scalp of his enemies
LaughingScythianGirls.jpg

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 20:05:16 No.25263352
>>25263068

Sau-roma-tae you dog!

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 20:16:34 No.25263529
There had better be Scythians, Sarmatians, whatever in this game guys.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 20:31:48 No.25263721

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>>25263529
Perhaps down the road for an ancient setting sourcebook. By the 15th Century, Central Asia was pretty much TIMURIDS, TIMURIDS EVERYWHERE.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 20:36:04 No.25263783
>>25263721
>Perhaps down the road for an ancient setting sourcebook.
Look you've got this fantasy thing or whatever, metal elves. Scythians are really metal. Metal, metal, I'm sure it could work. There's always more room for more metal in Zone X.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 20:38:13 No.25263809

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Will the bastard sword still be the king of all weapons?

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 20:50:26 No.25263989
Oh lawdy, just got back, let me catch up a bit.

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Jimmy Rome 2013-06-05 21:01:57 No.25264168
>>25261530
Like everyone who has tried to do grappling, we've discovered the nightmare of trying to model it using dice mechanics. We're trying our best here, but we're not Gods, just men.

>>25262063
We're considering our options. This is pretty amazing.

>>25262172
In! We're working on weapon customization, but it's sort of on the backburner until the rest of the game is up.

>>25262770
What is more likely is that after the Kickstarter has begun (and probably after it's succeeded already) we'll release a Magic Beta as well.

>>25263809
We lack the HEMA background to give us rock hard erections for bastard swords, though they are by all means respectable weapons. Our last playtest group was of the opinion that the Short Sword (the Cut & Thrust from RoS, essentially late-period arming swords) was the new King Bitch of Swords, while for polearms everyone seems entranced with the Black Bill.

But that's all speculation, I suspect they're rather balanced, and if they aren't you guys will clear that shit up for us right quick once the Beta starts.

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Anonymous 2013-06-05 21:03:27 No.25264186
>>25264168
I'm not sure whether I'm upset or amused that you're using Silver's terminology for later-period arming swords.







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