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Anonymous 2014-10-16 17:30:24 No.35564515

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Next time someone who can update the links makes the fucking thread edition.

>List building at www.forwardkommander.com
>Steamroller scenarios http://sr20x.com
>The Giant List of Podcasts and Blogs http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?76379-Warmachine-Hordes-related-blogs-websites-and-forums
>Warmahordes Books, No Quarter, & IKRPG http://txt.do/okoz
>Exigence Spoilers http://pastebin.com/5ASixzpn
> Exigence.pdf: http://www1.zippyshare.com/v/65215171/file.html

Anonymous 2014-10-16 17:35:06 No.35564585
First post for Ghyrrshyld!

Anonymous 2014-10-16 17:48:54 No.35564847
I Kinda liked the last thread. It's nice when you hear from actual staff or ex-staff and get a "behind the scenes" look at things.

It was great until the trolling started.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 18:38:18 No.35565758
The dust had yet to settle but what uses have people actually found for highwaymen? Not theory crafting, has anyone proxied them and had them perform well?

Currently thinking of replacing my scatter gunners or fenn blades in a grim list with them

Anonymous 2014-10-16 19:32:55 No.35566651
I've played them a couple times and so far they've been really good. The nice thing is that they are pretty self sufficient and don't need buffs to get work done. Any buffs you give them just makes them even better.

Braylen is also really good and you don't necessarily take her for opportunist. She's just really good at running around and shooting things to death.

Last thing, while we got s bunch of really good shooting don't build your entire list around it. That's a trap and a melee heavy army or high arm well just sweep you off the table. Build for combined arms and use them to support your army

Anonymous 2014-10-16 19:34:33 No.35566678
What ever happened to her?

Anonymous 2014-10-16 19:48:50 No.35566926
What happened?

Anonymous 2014-10-16 20:04:18 No.35567212

Just a troll. He insulting and trying to discredit one of the PP staffers that was posting.

We just ignored him. We figured it was a different PP staffer that just didn't like him.

Apprently there is a lot of discontent/in-fighting between staff at PP.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 20:20:48 No.35567536
Welcome to every mid-sized company ever

Anonymous 2014-10-16 20:26:49 No.35567641
Was about to say... people are douchebags.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 20:28:04 No.35567670
How should they factor into a Gunnbjorn list?

Points: 50/50
Captain Gunnbjorn (*5pts)
* Troll Impaler (5pts)
* Dire Troll Blitzer (9pts)
* Dire Troll Bomber (10pts)
Krielstone Bearer and 3 Stone Scribes (3pts)
Trollkin Fennblades (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Trollkin Fennblade Officer & Drummer (2pts)
Trollkin Highwaymen (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Braylen Wanderheart, Trollkin Outlaw (3pts)
Fennblade Kithkar (2pts)
Janissa Stonetide (3pts)
Stone Scribe Chronicler (2pts)


Only the writers know. She was nothing but a malevolent spirit summoned and bound by Goreshade.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 20:28:27 No.35567676
Is that a fan made picture?

I know this isnt what you were asking but I had an idea for a janky assination list with either calandra or gunny. Essentially it involved two full units of highwayman and a war wagon. The wagon knocks down everything between the caster and the highwayman. Then the highwayman just pump 4 rat 15 pow 20s into the caster. Calandras probably better for this given that she can fix the odds. Gunny can through snipe into the mix. He can also bring dozer for artilerist and the boosted blast damage helps with clearing a lane.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 20:31:31 No.35567742
This seems fine, I haven't run them with Gunny yet though. The only thing you want to avoid is building your list entirely around shooting. Trolls can bring a lot of guns but they hit things in melee way better

Anonymous 2014-10-16 20:40:35 No.35567924
The Blitzer is supposed to be Dozer & Smigg.

The idea is to wombo combo the amount of blast templates and damage by casting Far Strike (snipe) and Bank shot on either Bomber or Dozer & Smigg. Gunnbjorns own Snipe would go on the other heavy that doesn't get the buffs, only to be switched out onto the Highwaymen once they get into potential range.

That, or, switch out Dozer&Smigg for a War wagon to trample all over them fools and have the bomber& highwaymen poop on them.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 21:07:03 No.35568523
Did the staffer actually provide proof that he/she worked for PP or did he just say he/she did?

Anonymous 2014-10-16 22:15:04 No.35569921
> tfw the 2 most beautiful models in the game are both total shit
> no it's not the slayer

Anonymous 2014-10-16 22:27:58 No.35570147
The slayer is actually a good warjack.
Just a pity it's in cryx.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 22:30:16 No.35570190
OKay, so we all know that Cryx is better than the other factions.

There was some stats hanging about with win/loss rates at some point
with cryx at about 62% and trolls about 43% or something.
Anyone got that, or an updated version?

Anonymous 2014-10-16 22:40:25 No.35570404
Why would you even want that unless your butthurt at your local cryx player.

There's a reason every has an anti-cryx list, yeah but statistically they don't win that many tournaments. They have the tools to put on a good show, but they ain't circle, and after the nerfs gaspy is no Haley/Harbinger.

The Dennys are still no fun though

Anonymous 2014-10-16 22:42:05 No.35570435
Are you talking about the WTC numbers? Here you go


Anonymous 2014-10-16 22:44:11 No.35570470
What if I am the local cryx player?
i'm trying to show that cryx doesn't win all the time; only about 60%

Anonymous 2014-10-16 22:46:22 No.35570509
I recently picked up Warmachine as Cryx.

Thinking of starting at 15 Points.
Goreshade the Douchebag (+6)
Bane Thralls (10)-8
Bane Thralls (6)-5

This is gonna escalate a bit, but what can I do better? Where else should I go with this list?

Anonymous 2014-10-16 22:59:39 No.35570751
No faction is going to win all the time. I'm batting about 55-60% success rate with my Cryx in my local meta, which doesn't seem like much when looked at as raw numbers but people keep looking at me like I just confessed to being the camp superintendent at Buchenwald every time I open my bag and pull out a Stalker. It's futile to point out that Cryx does actually lose games to people whose mindset is already that you're demonseed for even fielding Cryx.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:09:19 No.35570954
Yeah the orhe legion player in my meta has left a bad taste in everyones mouth and now its tough to convince people to play me after I mention that I'm playing legion.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:10:28 No.35570978
Numbers are wrong

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:10:37 No.35570979
I wouldn't want to play against that, looks brutal. Everything having stealth will rain. On peoples parades.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:12:07 No.35571015
No faction does win all the time, but some make it easier than others: namely cryx and to a slightly lesser extent legion.

It's funny that all the best players play cryx, rite?

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:14:05 No.35571056
Ouch. I was just following the tier themes. What can I do to make it less-brutal, but still fairly synergistic?

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:14:06 No.35571058
nah it's fair game.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:16:18 No.35571117
It isn't brutal at all, the only thing that isn't stealth is goreshade, so if he isn't really well hidden he's the only target in the whole army.
Any long range shooting will make mincemeat out of it.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:17:12 No.35571141
>those pSkarre numbers
why does this not surprise me?

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:17:37 No.35571146
Nothing, play it like that. At 15 pts its so easy to skew and not have a solution. Just recognize that as point values increase more and more lists will be able to deal with it. Also if you're playing a new player with say the battle box, they might take a negative feeling from the match.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:17:40 No.35571149

Pretty much they all did, although most of them were former staff.

I think the one trolling was a current staffer.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:20:38 No.35571224
Does shadowmancer not affect goreshade?

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:24:21 No.35571312
Correlation is not causation.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:30:46 No.35571456
At Lock&Load 2011 a Cryx player win an event and the crowd literally booed them as they went on stage to their trophy. It was hysterical

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:34:04 No.35571533
See? That sort of shit is some 40K-tier monkeyfuckery. I hope all those faggots that booed all get raped by Grey Knights.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:47:23 No.35571764
Yeah, last nights thread was one of the best in a long time.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:47:29 No.35571766
Is it bad that in my last game of Warmachine, against Goreshade and a Bane Train, I just let him get his invisible jacks into melee with some Invincibility/Defensive Line/Arcane Shield Sword Knights then Earthquaked them?

The rest of the game went a bit like that Chumbawumba song as Goreshade and his jacks would variously get Fire Beaconed/knocked down, then get back up again, while the Black 13th, a Charger and a Stormclad shot them repeatedly in the face. Electro-Leap and that pseudo-covering-fire the B13 have did for the waifu and then the big guy eventually died to a fully boosted POW 14 to the face.

On the other side of the battle, a fucked-up charge left the BANEZ within Assault range of some Stormblades, who dropped half a dozen or more POW12 AOEs on them at point blank, with +2 on damage rolls for effective POW14 hits/POW8 blast. One Bane survived that and was cut in half by a Lancer.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:52:01 No.35571842
I don't mind playing against Cryx, but I do notice I have less fun wit the game when playing against them. My issue with Cryx is the fact that you HAVE to bring an anti Cryx list to a tournament. That's not how the faction should be countered or balanced. Making a hard skew list against a certain faction is not good game design. But I play Ret, so what the fuck do I know anyways.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:52:37 No.35571855
All that sounds strictly good.

Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:53:20 No.35571873
Its kind of jokingly, but the crowd boos the hardcore winners who played Cryx. Starts around 1:30


Anonymous 2014-10-16 23:57:31 No.35571972

I'm getting worried that I'm using the old "Earthquake into melee" as a crutch a bit, I need a new caster to not get in a rut of pStryker.

Currently I have:

Cygnar Battlebox
A Stormclad
Stormblades + UA
Sword Knights
Black 13

What caster should I get next based on owning those models? I'm currently looking at Kraye, Constance, one of the Caines or possibly just Stryker 2.

My other next purchases are going to be either another light jack, a unit of Gun Mages or Tempest Blazers or some solos.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 00:04:53 No.35572138
Yeah, that's more friendly banter than being a shit-cock. Tongue in cheek at worst.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 00:19:02 No.35572474
I played against a Gunnbjorn list with my Skorne and it surprised me. He was running T2 Big Bang, with the trenches, rock wall, and snipe all making the highwaymen super irritating to deal with.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 01:15:01 No.35573683
I'm working on building a 50 point Reznik1 list and I'm using Bastions and the Bastion Seneschal. At first I overlooked the fact that the Seneschal is a Jack Marshal so now I'm trying to figure out what jack would be best? A repenter to discourage charging the bastions? A Vanquisher? Both? I'm reluctant to marshal two jacks to the seneschal but he becomes armor 20 if I have two jacks in B2B which is pretty tough. Any tips?

Anonymous 2014-10-17 01:17:53 No.35573747
give him a sanctifier.
leave shooty jacks in your battle group to take advantage of witch hound

Anonymous 2014-10-17 01:56:22 No.35574465
Thoughts? Lots and lots of fire!
Faction: Protectorate of Menoth
Casters: 1/1
Points: 50/50
High Executioner Servath Reznik (*6pts)
* Devout (5pts)
* Reckoner (8pts)
* Vanquisher (8pts)
* Hierophant (2pts)
Choir of Menoth (Leader and 3 Grunts) (2pts)
Exemplar Bastions (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
Exemplar Errants (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard Bearer (2pts)
Exemplar Bastion Seneschal (3pts)
* Repenter (4pts)
Saxon Orrik (2pts)
The Covenant of Menoth (2pts)
Vassal of Menoth (2pts)

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:32:26 No.35575219
Man, the Cryx boards are being overwhelmed by whiners. ::Bitch, moan, sob:: Man Cryx infantry is being destroyed by PP ::Piss N' Moan:: Sacral vault is OP and PP keeps giving all the other factions anti Cryx tech. This must be what it is like if child from a 3rd world country saw a spoiled American bitch about their lame ass Christmas gifts.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:35:07 No.35575287
On the other hand, as a menoth player, I still hear people complain "lolol menoth just behind cryx" even though we got one of the lowest winrates

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:40:36 No.35575405
Menoth players have a right to bitch. You're releases have been pretty shit of late. eReznik looks awesome as fuck, but he's not going to light the competitive scene on fire. Funny thing is, there has been no bitching on the Ret boards regarding the Sacral Vault, and we run just as infantry heavy as Cryx, and only have single wound models. Sure we have access to range, but they have access to their Casters.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:41:50 No.35575427
I say we have lower win rates because people just follow net lists. Net lists are played often which leads to predictability which leads opposition to find hard counters to common tactics. Also, we have to spend about 20% of points on pure support just to get up and running.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:42:17 No.35575435
>>be me
>>hate painting minis with a passion, every army I have has like the leader painted and that's it
>>enter journeyman league with my new mercs, because fuck yeah dwarves
>>so many people entered the prize 150 for first
>>do decent in the league, currently 4th out of like 16, with just rhulic (pic related)
>>store owner comes to me and says "anon, you DO realize you get bonus points for painting in this league, right?"
>>next day come in to paint in store so no "you got help painting" accusations can stick, sit there mind numbingly painting EVERY MODEL YOU SEE for 14 hours, earning a giant headache.
>>Saturdays the last day for the league, even if I lose every game and 2nd place wins every one, I win on painting points alone because all their stuff is already painted.

On a scale of 1 to the dead sea, how salty do you think the top 3 players are going to be Saturday. Keep in mind I already confirmed there is no limit to how much you can paint and turn in.

Also how do I get gud at painting, I keep playing game, but getting good never happens.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:45:18 No.35575508
Step 1: Choose a color that looks less like diarrhea.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:46:04 No.35575522
pic related, my first attempt at AUTHENTIC BATTLE DAMAGE!

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:47:22 No.35575551
wish I could upload more than one pic at a time

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:48:32 No.35575575

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:51:57 No.35575626
>numbers from the recent tournament.
>trying to prove Cryx doesn't win all the time
>skipping over the 52.7% win rate looking for the 60%.

You're a bad liar or you not very bright

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:54:23 No.35575666

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:54:50 No.35575672
eh ive seen worse
those bases though goddamn

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:57:03 No.35575724
I actually dig it, looks kinda like dirty construction equipment.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:57:17 No.35575731
Dude, not based not done. Also, paint some fucking front arcs.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 02:57:57 No.35575747
Hehe....dump truck

get it?


Anonymous 2014-10-17 03:01:43 No.35575826

That's what I was looking for, to make it look like the earthbreaker had been in a mine for the last 20 years, and was just recently taken out and converted for war.

I am taking a rest, I have all day tomorrow to base them, and its not due till Saturday, I just wanted to paint them at the shop in person so they couldn't say I had friends help me.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 03:03:29 No.35575859
Those people you have to worry about accusing you of cheating sound like plebs.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 03:04:41 No.35575880
new to Convergeance, looking into expanding past my battle box.

Is there any really shitty units I should just completely avoid unless I like the models in the force?

Also is the Prime Axiom good or is it shit like a lot of the big models?

Anonymous 2014-10-17 03:08:01 No.35575946

dosent the prime axiom have like 2 tow attacks? Sounds good to me. Galeon has one and it was considered 2nd best after stormwall for a while.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 03:20:04 No.35576175
>shit like a lot of the big models

Most of the big models are pretty good. All of the Colossals are at least viable, if not very potent. Battle Engines while not seen as often are generally very good. Sure there are some turds (Mountain King, Arch Angel) but most huge bases see table time.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 03:32:51 No.35576403
So what does everyone use to cart their armies around in?

I currently only have a 15 point army, so I just use a small toolbox with some foam I've cut.

I plan on expanding though and am looking for ideas.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 03:34:44 No.35576441

currently a small box, in the near future I plan to buy a couple battle foam trays and shove them in one of their poverty cardboard boxes.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 03:34:47 No.35576443
Pretty much the only other CoC here. Everything but the Perforators and the Conservator are really good. Syntherion is an amazingly strong 'caster played in tier at 35 and 50, and you essentially play one of nearly every vector in the faction. Yes, the Prime Axiom is very, very good and will see play in nearly all of your lists.

Look at learning the Lucant brick. It's incredibly strong, and pretty fun to play.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 03:37:09 No.35576490

I'll start taking hearsay with a grain of salt then, I've heard a lot of bitching about the big base models, mostly gargantuans though.


ah k thanks man.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 03:40:17 No.35576560
Oh, and besides the obvious Corollary, get an Optifex Directive. Hell, get 2. They're fucking AWESOME.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 03:47:24 No.35576689
Get the gun mages + UA, and then literally any caster with Deadeye (pCaine, either Haley, Sloan). Now you're ready to unleash real Cygnar firepower.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 03:49:22 No.35576730

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:02:25 No.35577049
The problem with Gargantuans is they run counter to the mechanics of Hordes: mainly, have as many fury batteries as reasonably possible and a wide variety of animi to choose from. Warmachine wants to spend as little focus as possible and get maximum value out of each focus, thus Colossals are generally a good investment.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:03:38 No.35577079
Doesn't help that stats-wise the Gargs aren't that great anyway, compared to say Stormwall, Prime Axiom and Galleon

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:09:58 No.35577218
Yeah, okay, that doesn't seem so bad. No Grey Knight rapes.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:11:20 No.35577251

how much of which servitors should I aim to eventually have?

Will be building slow anyways though as I'm on a budget, but knowing what I should shoot for would be nice. I assume I'd want at least a few extras if I plan on running an Axiom down the road right?

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:17:23 No.35577371
The only real bad uni in the faction are Perforators.

However, first thing to learn about Convergence is to how to magnetize models.

Your warjack loadout is going to vary quite a bit caster to caster, so magnetizing the jacks is going to save you a fuckload of money in the long run.

You can magnetize the medium base infantry as well, which is super sweet to do not only to immensely reduce the load on your carrying case, but also helps quite a bit with things like having Reciprocators staying base to base when in shield wall.

Prime Axiom is pretty fucking solid, as far as Colossals go. It's by no way required, but Syntherion also makes it a monster.

The other thing to bring up is that caster choice in Convergence has an absolutely huge effect on how your army plays, Convergence doesn't really have any models that just do their own things besides the Battle Engine and it's not out yet.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:19:59 No.35577409
If you're new to the game, this is what Cryx, Cygnar, and Circle players do.
"It's not Banes, and it doesn't make Banes better, so why should I give a fuck?!"
Two sentences away from...
"I want more unique undead stuff, I'm sick of all these other factions getting Cryxian themed stuff..."

Then with Cygnar it's...
"God, more POW 10 shots? Can't we just have a jack that has a POW 15 lightning jump that auto-hits six targets, ignores our own troops, can also wreck face in melee and somehow will never die because its defensive numbers break the curve with our Jr., so that we can stop using that basic thing in the Stormwall?"

Then Circle...
"We want wold-tech!"
"This wold-tech is not the specific wold-tech we wanted and even so is not as good as the wold-tech we wanted!"

Meanwhile pig players after Exigence;
"FUCK YEAH! Get on board with the new Shootin'-n'-Scootin' Porcine Paradigm!"

Seriously, Efaarit Scouts shoot-n-scoot. The Meat Thresher with the Road Hog shoots-n-scoots, then we've got Helga singing a bacon-themed ride of the Valkyries... Maximus was a little disappointing in that he does nothing for support, but really he's one of the most brutally nasty melee solos in the game, so, fuck it, the Porkreaver's in all my lists now...

It's a good fuckin' time to play bacon bitches...

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:24:49 No.35577498
Attunment Servitors are your first buy. They're easily the most useful of the four, and they're an army staple. Every list can find a room for them.

Reflex Servitors are your denial models, both to deal with weak infantry hordes and to focus on nasty power solos like Gorman and Eyriss. They're generally the best models to pop out of the PA turn by turn unless you need flare, as they provide better lane blocking then the other servitors and are threaten more models.

Elimination Servitors are your low DEF, high ARM single wound hunters. They're for killing things like Iron Fangs, Banes, and support models that aren't solos. They're of limited usefulness otherwise, though they threat freestrikes quite well against certain single wound models that depend on their ARM to save them.

Accretion Servitors are the least useful of the four, though they're not bad. They're good at contesting, Bodge is kind of funny, and Strip can have some funny uses from time to time. You can also use them to direct warcaster charges and cast spells afterwards, they're especially good for that. But they're the least powerful of the four in what they do, and you'll pretty much never pop them out of the PA.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:25:59 No.35577520
>Maximus was a little disappointing in that he does nothing for support

Maximus supports your army by killing an entire flank himself.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:28:31 No.35577569

Thanks a bunch, good info.

Will grab a pack of attunement servitors next time I go to the local store. As well as Optifex if they have some in.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:31:37 No.35577622
Yea, optifex are pretty huge. You have to be looking for a reason to not bring them, and most lists are going to use two units.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:35:46 No.35577685
ESPECIALLY the first time you forget them, and see paladins and choir on the other side of the table... seriously, it was like I forgot to bring an army to the table.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:39:24 No.35577758

I found this tutorial on basing back when i started. its surprisingly easy.


Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:44:56 No.35577855

only with carver, not with helga.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:53:55 No.35578007
Someone on the privateer press forums was asking for help designing an experimental Llaelese jack. How does this look for what was supposed to be the bleeding edge of Llaelese design (Since Llael still lacked super tech, I kept the actual technology involved pretty simple compared to major nations. Guns and Blades)

The Quickdraw is an experimental Llaelese warjack, designed just before the Khadoran invasion but never put into mass production. The Amethyst Rose Gunmage school had seen the effectiveness of the Arcane Tempest cross-training in jack marshaling and commissioned several arcane engineers, including a few Cygnaran Ex-Patriots to aid in the development of a 'jack that suited their style of combat. The Quickdraw was the result of this, though too late to aid in the defense of the nation. There is rumors that the prototypes are scattered about the country, aiding the resistance though if they are, there is no concrete reports.

Cost: 11650 GP (With Arcanum-Grade Cortex), 7650 (Chassis alone)

PHY 10 STR 10, SPD 5 AGI 4 PRW 4, POI 5 INT 3 PER 3 MAT 6 RAT 7 DEF 12 ARM 17

Damage Box: As Nomad

This statline assumes an Arcanum-Grade Cortex. It is a Nomad chassis with -1 PHY, -1 STR, -1 PRW, +1SPD, +1 AGI, +1 POI

The Chassis of the Quickdraw is based off the old standby of the Nomad, a frame that has served many years and is still solid. Many of the internal components around the joints have been replaced however with much more fine and dexterous ones, giving this 'jack a range of movement that is shocking for a warjack, let alone one of it's size. This did, however, cost the frame a little of it's raw power.

Type: Melee
Location: Gun
Attack Modifier: 0
POW: 3
Special Rule: Bayonets have Reach.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:55:12 No.35578029

Dueling Cannon:
Ammo: 10
Effective Range: 72ft(12")
Extreme Range: 360ft
Attack Modifier: 0
POW: 15
Special Rules: Due to the slow rate of fire, the twin cannon can only be fired once per turn.

The weaponry of the Quickdraw in Unorthodox for a warjack, though very fitting for the nature of it's intended users. The hands of the warjack end in a pair of masterly crafted barrels, like that or a pair of massive handguns. Under said guns a pair of bayonets are mounted, just in case an opponent gets close. It's combination of weapons makes it a terrifying infighter where it can put it's very dexterous and agile servos to work.

Upgrades: All-Terrain Compensator, Gunslinger Servos, Duelist Reflex Array.

Gunslinger Servos:
Cost: 700gp

Description: Gunslinger servos are a combination of several different upgrades, all designed to aid in both agility and tracking ability of any 'warjack that is upgraded to include them. Fantastically expensive, they grant a warjack a tracking ability beyond that of many humans, an ability to carefully and calculatingly work out not only their own trajectories but the trajectories of others, allowing counter attacks before they are even assaulted. The increased range of motion allows the jack the ability to engage foes normally too close for the ponderous ranged weaponry of a warjack.

Special Rules: Gunslinger servos can only be installed on the Nomad Chassis. Any 'jack with them installed has the Quick Draw and Gunfighter rules.

Duelist Reflex Array:
Cost: 450gp

Description: The Duelist Reflex Array is a series of cortex grafts and optical enhancements designed to allow a warjack to function more dexterously in melee combat. It can read body language and stance like a veteran of dozens of duels, evading strikes with skill and finesse.

Special Rules: A warjack can only have one upgrade with 'Reflex Array' installed. A Warjack with a Duelist Reflex Array gains the duelist ability.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 04:57:40 No.35578090
So right now the troll forums actually have a decent and postive thread going about tips and tricks that people might not know. Thought it would be a good idea to post it here and see what tg knows. Post what you've got. It can be faction specific or general.

Heres one from the troll forum: With a troll beast you can take a free strike, spawn a whelp, and then eat it immediately afterwards.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 05:01:07 No.35578141
If you're using Gorman di Wulf and facing an opponent with Gorman too, you can Blind your own models after they've activated to stop them from being blinded by your opponent.

They still suffer the penalties, but the effect will wear off at the start of your next turn

Anonymous 2014-10-17 05:02:22 No.35578161

>Archangel is 11 Def 18 Arm
>same as pretty much every fucking heavy in the faction

Something that costs 20 god damn points should not be able to one rounded by any semi-competent melee jack/beast. That shit just ain't fucking right, man

Anonymous 2014-10-17 05:04:39 No.35578197
with thags +carni its like effective arm 22.
that adds up a lot with all those boxes

Anonymous 2014-10-17 05:21:45 No.35578443
>no it's not the slayer
>Posts a picture of a Seether
Nigger what

Anonymous 2014-10-17 05:25:14 No.35578491

eAbby does the same. As well as give it +2 Mat/Spd/Str for a turn. Not super terrible. Still not amazing.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 05:52:03 No.35578840
It's still 20 points that's going to die to maybe 15.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 06:41:57 No.35579399
So if I give a warcaster or warjack extra attacks after charging, do the extra attacks get the charging damage boost? Or just the first one?

Anonymous 2014-10-17 06:44:20 No.35579426
Only the first melee attack after a successful charge movement made against the charge target is a charge attack and gets boosted damage.

Anonymous 2014-10-17 08:57:45 No.35580609
How is this for 35?

Caine 1
- Stormclad

- Charger

Piper of Ord

Gun Mages + UA
Stormblades + UA + 2 Gunners
Black 13th

Anonymous 2014-10-17 09:00:43 No.35580623
I'm not a fan of Stormblades, but it's not too bad

Anonymous 2014-10-17 09:06:01 No.35580665
You really want to get a Squire, or Sylys if you intend to toss Thunder Strike out often.

I'm surprised you don't already have them.

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