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Anonymous 2014-09-11 18:57:05 No.20927380

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ITT dumb shit /vp/ says

>A pokemon's viability is entirely determined by its ability


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Anonymous 2014-09-11 18:59:21 No.20927403
It has one of the largest impacts, though. Like it or not Inner Focus is a really shit ability for a Mega.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 18:59:52 No.20927411
vp always say the dumbest shit

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:00:33 No.20927422
>>20927403

No it doesn't. All of Garchomp's abilities are shit and it's still top tier.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:00:39 No.20927427
>if it has a weakness it's a terrible pokemon

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:01:07 No.20927430
>>20927380
Yeah Regigigas is really good isn't it
Most pokemon's viability is because of its ability. Clefable wouldn't be OU without magic guard or unaware, would it?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:01:28 No.20927432
>>20927380
Honestly though, what I'm hoping for is Mega Gallade's Def and Special Def switch, and then 10 of those points goes into Speed, so that it ends up with 125 Def 110 Speed. Then it'll be just perfect.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:01:29 No.20927433
>>20927422
Garchomps abilities are all gr8 you tard

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:01:39 No.20927440
>saying "serebii confirmed" unironically

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:02:05 No.20927446
>>20927422
Yeah but Garchomp's stats are good
you can't fix Gallade to such a level with only 100 stat points to give

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:02:14 No.20927447
>>20927433

Rough Skin is not great and nobody even uses its other abilities.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:02:59 No.20927453
>>20927403
I think it has a chance in doubles, where there are only a few other megas that specifically fill a niche over just being a more powerful mon
Fake Out is a pain in the ass in doubles.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:04:17 No.20927476
>tfw anime mega gallade shows up

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:04:59 No.20927486
>>20927430

Inner Focus is not a hindering ability you fucking retard.

Abilities are not self-contained. They come into play along with a pokemon's stats, type and movepool. You think Keldeo or Terrakion are good because of Justified? Or Mewtwo because of Pressure?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:06:07 No.20927501
>>20927446

Yes you can. Most megas have points dumped redundantly, like Gardevoir getting 20 points in Attack, so that it doesn't become overpowered. If Gallade is properly minmaxed its ability won't even matter, especially with its movepool.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:06:24 No.20927504
>>20927446
In fairness, it will have 618 BST. It could be good if it gets a lot of Def or a lot of Speed.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:06:28 No.20927505
>>20927430
If a shit Pokémon with good abilities can be good, then even a good Pokémon with shit abilities can. Let's hope GF doesn't fuck up its stat spread.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:07:25 No.20927517
>>20927501
That's a pretty big if, though. Do you really think GF will hit Gallade's BST in every one of the spots, and in all the right amounts, it needs to become viable? It COULD happen, but chances are monumentally stacked against it such that it very likely won't.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:07:43 No.20927518
>>20927486
Inner Focus isn't directly hindering but the lack of a good ability is what keeps it worthless.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:08:20 No.20927527
>[insert pokemon name here] is a disgrace to the franchise and GF should have never made it because I don't like it!

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:09:25 No.20927537
>>20927518

Read the second part.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:10:26 No.20927554
are we sure they haven't made mega gallade bad because we're gonna be battling Wally's?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:10:42 No.20927559
>>20927517

110 speed with an attack boost will make it very viable.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:10:58 No.20927562
>>20927427

This. I promise you Camerupt will be banned.

Mark my words.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:11:34 No.20927567
>>20927537
I did, like I said, the ability is what keeps it worthless. Gallade needed a boost to be anything but shit and it didn't get that boost, so guess what, we have a horrible Mega.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:11:52 No.20927573
>>20927562
>implying I implied that
Kids these days.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:12:08 No.20927577
>>20927559

Come to think of it, everything that outspeeds that is special, and it has 115 spdef base. Still fucked by Talonflame though.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:13:42 No.20927595
>>20927567

>if you don't have an overpowered ability you're worthless
>100 BST is not a boost
>a good ability can compensate for shit stats/type/moves but not the other way around

If you're going to be intellectually dishonest you can fuck right off.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:16:42 No.20927642
>>20927595
If you're putting Megas into your team there's 0 reason to put in Gallade over someone strong.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:18:12 No.20927662
>>20927642

What if it's faster than Medicham?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:20:11 No.20927682
>>20927380
>a pokemon's worth is solely determined by it's competitive value

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:20:48 No.20927693
>>20927380
A niche ability essentially delegates a Pokemon's potential solely on its movepoo, typing, and stats. Keldeo is one of the best OU mons and it has an ability that's absolutely useless for it. However, Keldeo has an incredible typing, stats that allow it to run wildly different sets based around its item (it has enough speed and special attack to run a specs set and still outspeed most of the tier or a scarf and outspeed everything while still getting OHKOs) and a movepool that doesn't hinder it. Keldeo also has usable bulk which lets it get away with a lot of risky switches.

Now think about Gallade. It has one of the worst typings in the game, low HP that won't be fixed, low defense which will probably be patched up, confirmed for 100 speed (which is just barely enough to be considered good), and a decent but not great movepool. If Game Freak gave it Adaptability or something equally great it would be an immediate OU staple despite its flaws, but with Inner Focus its flaws hold it back. Stats don't mean everything, so even with sky high attack it probably won't be much of a threat even in UU since there's nothing they can do to stop it from being easy to revenge kill thanks to its shit HP and lack of STAB priority.

Face it, they're gimping new megas of old shitmons by giving them niche abilities so they don't run into the Kangaskhan problem again. It's just too bad they're still giving shit like Salamence Aerilate.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:23:05 No.20927720
>>20927693

Where did they confirm 100 speed?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:23:09 No.20927721
>>20927693
Dont forget, the bigger deciding factor in which it risks being entirely outclassed by M-Medicham. Same speed, same typing, similar coverage, but way the fuck better attack.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:26:30 No.20927757
>>20927504
618 BST seems great until you realize not having an item makes its attack stat the only source of throughput. 618 on a mon that can run items is incredible, but a lack of a scarf/LO/AV(for Gallade) makes those stats seem higher than they are in practice.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:29:17 No.20927795
>it's a furbait so it's bad

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:29:19 No.20927796
>>20927693
>confirmed for 100 speed
This actually confirmed? If so then definitely outclassed by Medicham.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:31:22 No.20927824
>if a Pokemon is weak to anything it's shit

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:32:32 No.20927839
The difference is we already know what this thigs typing, movepool, and most importantly stats are because of Gard.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:33:50 No.20927858
>>20927839
>if one has these stats the other must have them too
see lati@s

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:36:24 No.20927889
>>20927720
>>20927796
I checked around and it looks like I took a glance at another Gallade thread seriously when I should have looked it up first.

Gallade doesn't seem to be confirmed for 100 speed. It's fairly safe to assume it will be base 100 since if it keeps Gardevoir's shifted stats it will have 68/165/65/85/135/100 bases. However, this is NOT confirmed. Likely, but not confirmed.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:39:33 No.20927927
>>20927380
>viability is entirely determined by its ability
it is though. It's 75% the worth of a poke. good stats don't save shit abilities, but good abilities saved a ton of below 500 stats mons. Just look at bidoof or talonflame

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:40:39 No.20927941
>>20927858
THANK YOU, ANON.
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE POINTS THIS OUT.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:42:49 No.20927965
The damage control from these assdamaged Galladefags is a thing of beauty.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:45:58 No.20927997
>>20927965
I'm a galladefag and I'm just enjoying all the tears.

Sometimes it's good to not give a fuck about competitive play, that way I can be happy that my bro got a pretty cool mega.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:46:00 No.20927998
>>20927858
The difference between base Latios and Latias is very different than Gallade and Gardevoir. The Latis had shifted stats that reflected offensive and defensive roles and their megas made that distinction clearer by pushing their stats farther away from each other. Instead of swapping their defenses for their offenses, they have more specialized stats for their roles (even though their speed stays the same).

Gallade and Gardevoir simply swap attack and special attack. That's all. It isn't even a full spectrum shift since Gallade keeps Gardevoir's defenses. Instead of becoming more defensive, Gallade is simply a different classification of attacker. I have no reason to believe Gallade's stats (or even just his speed) won't be the same as Gardevoir's.

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Neptune 2014-09-11 19:46:59 No.20928013
All I know is that ill be assblasted if they don't give M-Gallade a defense boost and not do the same shit they did to Gardy.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:49:05 No.20928049
>>20928013
>mfw Gallade has 20 of its 100 BST dumped into special attack

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Neptune 2014-09-11 19:52:51 No.20928088
>>20928049
> For what purpose?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:53:48 No.20928104
>>20928088
because mega gardevoir has +20 attack

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Neptune 2014-09-11 19:57:19 No.20928146
>>20928104
And that was 1 of the biggest mistakes GameFuck did...

>b-but balance for it to be not broken!
What is Mega Milf?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:58:54 No.20928164
>>20928146
GF itself called MegaKanga a "mistake".

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 19:59:42 No.20928181
>>20928146
>oh they're making the megas kind of sucky this time in response to Mega Kangaskhan being OP
>Mega Salamence exists

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Neptune 2014-09-11 20:03:33 No.20928239
>>20928181
>Mega Salamader to ever be broken

>inb4 they slap in E-Speed
>mfw

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:05:57 No.20928263
>>20928239

its already broken. it flew too high and straight into ubers

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:08:25 No.20928294
>>20928239
If we get a Hyper Voice tutor in ORAS there is exactly zero chance that VGC '15 won't be Mega Salamence featuring Weavile and Mamoswine. It would be like Kangaskhan times five.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:08:36 No.20928299
>>20927662
Why would be faster than Medicham.
Gallade mirrors Gardevoir's stats. It's safe to assume it'll be at the 100 speed tier too.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:13:03 No.20928339
>>20928299

don't assume things.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:15:26 No.20928370
>>20928339
You can fucking screenshot this.
Mega Gallade's stats WILL be 68/165/65/85/135/100

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:17:46 No.20928406
>>20928339
>What if it's faster than Medicham?
>don't assume things.
pff

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:18:50 No.20928421
25% Ability
25% Movepool
30% Typing
20% Stats

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:21:10 No.20928443
>If a pokemon is not viable in OU, it's shit
>If X has any 4x weaknesses, it's shit

I prefer NU/UU anyway

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:30:46 No.20928568
>>20927422
Garchomp also has amazing stats, amazing typing, outstanding move pool and can function well in nearly any role even if it had no ability. It's the exception, and you couldn't deny that it would be 5 times better if it actually got a relevant ability compared to some miniscule boosts to its stats. Shit, stat boosts from going mega aren't even good enough to make the mega more viable than the original.

An even better example would be the Mega Charizards. Charizard was a shitmon before the megastones, now he has a mega with a good ability and a mega with great typing and ability and he's viable now. Stat boosts are fine, but similar enough boosts could already be attained with other items - as is the case with Garchomp - and they simply don't stack up next to having great ability and coverage. Mega Gallade won't be totally unplayable, but it's really going to suffer from having a shit ability.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:32:30 No.20928590
M-Gallade could have the same stats, the same moveset, and do the same amount of damage that M-Medicham can but people would still argue that it's a shitmon.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:33:03 No.20928597
>>20928568
Not in doubles.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:37:28 No.20928642
>>20928597
>doubles
>PROTECT! PROTECT! EARTHQUAKE! PROTECT!
>worth a shit

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:37:58 No.20928648
>>20928590
It would be completely redundant so no one would care and just use whichever they like more. But looking at it objectively, Gallade will never be as good as Megacham at being Megacham since it has significantly less attack and a completely different movepool. Mega Gallade might be fun to use with Bulk Up in UU.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:44:55 No.20928725
>>20928648
The autism on this board transcends all other communities

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:45:16 No.20928732
>>20928239
M-Salamence is getting banned, mark my words.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:46:06 No.20928743
>>20928725
>say something reasonable
>"look at all this autism gusy!"

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:47:48 No.20928760
>>20928743
No, it was fucking autism because the post completely misses the point of what that comment was trying to say.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:48:03 No.20928768
>>20928725
How is that even autism?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:49:03 No.20928782
>>20928760
>It would be completely redundant so no one would care and just use whichever they like more.
no anon, you are the misser.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:50:11 No.20928799
>>20928782
... You have to be fucking with me right now.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:51:17 No.20928817
>>20928642
>hey guys look, I've never actually played doubles!

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:51:38 No.20928821
>>20928799
No.
You went too fast.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:55:33 No.20928876
>>20928821
Fuck this, I didn't even make the original comment and I'm pissed. I'm not going to type up a lession on reading comprehension and understanding nuance, I'm just going to go back to Destiny.

I recommend using revolvers, by the way.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:58:42 No.20928924
>>20928876
Have fun.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:59:31 No.20928939
>>20928876
I'm the guy who you called autistic and not who you've been talking to since that post. You clearly didn't understand the point of my post or the post I was responding to. He said people would call Gallade a shitmon even if it was literally just a reskinned Megacham. I said that people would just use whichever they like more, because at that point they would both be good because Megacham is good, however in reality Gallade will never be as good as Megacham at the same role.

Stop being a rager and learn to read yourself. Stop calling people autistic when you seem to have so much tardrage that you can't properly read a post. Faggot.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:00:08 No.20928945
>>20927562
yeah, banned from NU

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:00:59 No.20928959
Every time people go full damage control when Smogon harshly bans something because it screws up their stall tactic.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:05:48 No.20929022
>>20928568
Why can't people argue and debate like this guy?
So calm and collected.
Also, I love M-Gallade, but sadly agree with you.
Why GF why?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:08:05 No.20929049
>>20929022
I thought I was doing pretty well here >>20927693

Sadly, people only responded to the rumor about 100 speed. People don't usually respond to civil discussions in threads like these.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:24:55 No.20929287
>>20929049
Their thoughts are too basic to comprehend words longer than 6 letters and sentences longer than "Nearest road to some chiciken mcnuggets?"
Its up to us civilized folk to have the intelligent conversations.
As for Gallade, he's most definitely going to be a mirror of Gard. Which given his ability, feels bad man.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:26:13 No.20929305
>>20929287
Okay. I'm cool with having thoughtful discussions, but you don't need to be a stuck up cunt about it.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:40:48 No.20929510
>>20929305
Wouldn't have to be a stuck up cunt if people weren't such fucking dipshits.
So yea dead thread; MODS

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:10:18 No.20929910
>>20929287
>Its up to us civilized folk to have the intelligent conversations

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:14:30 No.20929956
>we don't want to be reasonable

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:42:38 No.20930270
>>20927380
I guess keldeo has a useless ability and he's still top tier OU though theirs no reason to use M-gallade over other megas.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:49:55 No.20930376
>>20927486

You are comparing Pokemon with 600 base stats or more to Gallade which is lacking. They dont need their abilities to be top tier because their amazing stats.

Gallade however did need a decent ability to be on par with those Pokemon. Which he did not get so he was shafted and will be hindered by this. When Gallade gets trio, pseudo, or legendary stats then I will agree with you.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 23:47:34 No.20930997
>>20927380
>being this bootyblasted that your mega shitmon's ability is garbage

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 00:05:23 No.20931181
>>20929910
>Intelligent conversation
You clearly have never understood one

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 00:09:41 No.20931229
>>20927380
>Talonflame

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 00:11:22 No.20931246
>>20928088
Synchronoise to use against Fighting types

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 00:15:25 No.20931290
>>20927682
>>20927795
>>20927824
If you don't agree with this then get the fuck out my face nigga

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 10:26:52 No.20936389
>>20928299
Latios and Latias stats mirror each other yet their megas don't

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 10:32:01 No.20936409
>>20936389
See
>>20927998

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 11:03:00 No.20936494
Lol idiots that say galades stats boost will be the same as gardevoirs coz they mirror each other r the same retards who sayed galade wouldnt get a mega coz its a stone evolution
>muh patterns

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 11:18:55 No.20936549
>>20927380
Will there ever be a bara Gallade fanart

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 11:42:11 No.20936601
>attributing a few haters opinions to all of /vp/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijtgJF0XT0Y

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 11:48:40 No.20936613
I want Gallade to be good too OP but we both know it also needs a good ability to function well

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 11:51:25 No.20936622
>>20936613
inb4 inner focus lets you do focus punch even when hit.

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 12:01:48 No.20936667
>A pokemon's viability isn't entirely determined by its ability







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