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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:45:00 No.20928729

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smogon just posted a pu viability rankings thread. And according to them, these pokemon are the worst of the worst.

discuss

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/the-pu-viability-ranking-thread.3517353/


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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:47:56 No.20928764
inb4 Pachirisu idiots

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:48:37 No.20928775
>slaking
but slaking can wreck shit up

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:49:09 No.20928784
>>20928729
>caring what Smogon does
>any given year

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:49:14 No.20928785
>>20928729
>Castform
>Its worse than spinda
This was the only good thing I could say about castform's viability and its not even true.
Why am I attracted to such shitmons?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:49:52 No.20928791
>>20928729
Why is gourgeist on that list

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:49:53 No.20928792
>Luvdisc
>Not Ubers

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:50:31 No.20928805
>>20928775
giving a free turn to the opponent is not something you want to ever do

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:50:47 No.20928808
>>20928791
It's different forms

The small or medium size or max size aren't on there

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:52:00 No.20928826
>>20928729
>Castform
>Cherrim
>Chimecho
>Vespiquen

If this become an official tier it would be a cool opportunity to use my forgotten bros.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:52:04 No.20928828
Seaking is a hard counter to Rotom-F isn't it? doesn't that give it a good enough niche to make it D rank at least?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:52:13 No.20928831
>>20928729
>carnivine

god that thing is so shit. i had one in diamond and it sucked complete ass. no power, frail, slow, just no redeeming attributes.

in a matter of fact, if it evolved, i bet it would still suck even in lc. and even if that evo gets a mega evo that would still suck.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:52:28 No.20928837
>>20928729
First drafts for viability threads are always pretty bad and require tons of iteration. It's why viability threads are always some of the largest threads on the forums. Skimming over it, I disagree with Gourgeist, Swalot, and Dustox, but everything else looks about right. It could be that those three are ranked for their viability when stacked against something else that does their job significantly better than they can, which is certainly possible since PU is rather large.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:52:51 No.20928841
>>20928805
>Implying giga impact coming off 160 attack isn't worth it
Unless they have protect or a ghost type there's nothing stopping you.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:53:14 No.20928844
>>20928805
but breaking a wall is great

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:54:26 No.20928861
>>20928841
it makes a somewhat reliable revenge-killer but that's about it.
slaking's pretty bad but i'm still surprised it's ranked so low

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:56:00 No.20928879
>>20928775
>giving your opponent a free turn or forcing it to be switched out everytime so it doesn't get its ass beaten
>good

I've been testing items on it as a revenge killer a sweeper or a wall breaker, but there were always situations I rather wanted to use Ursaring, because it just has a superior movepool and it has access to Guts or Quick Feet.

Fucking Truant, man.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:56:47 No.20928892
Reminder that unranked mons have that status not because they are inherently unusable, but because there's something that does anything they do better. This is why the description for the E rank says "no viable niches".

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:58:49 No.20928928
>>20928831
Carnivine was the 'mon I was most hyped for when DPP came out. I kept a grass slot open on my team until I reached Pastoria, spent like an hour in the safari zone trying to catch one, and wowitsfuckingnothing.png

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 20:59:00 No.20928931
>>20928879
slaking doesn't even need a mega, just scrappy has a hidden ability

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:04:31 No.20929005
>Vespiquen

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:04:45 No.20929009
>>20928931
it has 670 BST for a reason

giving it a usable ability would break it

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:06:43 No.20929030
>>20928837
Isn't spinda a master gimmic?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:07:45 No.20929043
>>20929009
this is why we skill swap.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:08:00 No.20929046
>>20929009
it wouldn't really break it since it's just a normal type and can be easily burned, but yeah it would go straight to UU, at least

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:09:41 No.20929086
>>20929030
To make Spinda usable you need to spam Assist V-creates. The only mons with V-create are Victini(UU) and Rayquaza(ubers).

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:12:43 No.20929129
>>20929086
and smeargle

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:14:06 No.20929143
>Implying Pachirisu didn't destroy Smogon tryhards at the VGC

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:15:28 No.20929158
>>20929086
You could also run a Choice Scarf and spam Superpower.
But you can consider yourself lucky if you survive two rounds.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:16:12 No.20929171
>>20929143
>implying Pachirisu wasn't used as an anti-meta pick
>implying the Pachirisu gimmick would ever work again
>implying singles is anything like doubles

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:16:32 No.20929174
>>20929143
It doesn't.
Everyone saw the Sejun Park set, which is literally the only viable set, and can easily play around that.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:17:28 No.20929185
>Swalot
I know he's not that good, but I had some nice times with Snatch.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:17:42 No.20929188
>>20929129
Smeargle's UU, though.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:18:54 No.20929206
>>20929188
oh

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:19:12 No.20929210
So when do we get a PPU tier for even shittier shitmons?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:19:26 No.20929215
>Gourgeist

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:19:39 No.20929218
>Vespiquen
S-someday she'll get a mega, right?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:20:14 No.20929225
>>20929143
>doubles viability has anything to do with singles viability

oh look >>20928764

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:21:15 No.20929236
>>20928729
>Dunsparce isn't a bottom of the barrel shitmon

thanks paraflinch

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:21:17 No.20929237
>>20929215
Gourgeist-Super is A rank, m8

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:25:07 No.20929291
>Was a good OU pick gen4
>now just barely D- in PU
Poor Dusknoir, not even Tauros fell this far.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:25:17 No.20929295
>>20928729
>Gourgeist
>Pachirisu

Smogon typically only does singles right?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:26:57 No.20929314
>>20929174
Oh really. It was good in dobules even before he used it. Its surprising he won simply because of it in some regard but it was never a shitmon in doubles.

>>20929295
Indeed.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:27:02 No.20929316
>>20929295
There's smogon doubles, they probably have a viability list you can look at. They also have VGC format on showdown too.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:27:32 No.20929323
>>20929295
yup. They do have a doubles meta, but it doesn't have any tiers and a different banlist.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:28:20 No.20929333
>>20929295
yes.
They have a doubles tier, but this viability thread is for singles

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:28:52 No.20929339
>>20929291
It wasn't all that good in Gen 4.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:29:10 No.20929344
>>20928729
wen do those idiots make PU an official tier, its not that fucking hard geez

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:30:17 No.20929366
>flareon is a-rank
neat

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:30:51 No.20929374
>>20929009
All these endless Megas say otherwise.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:31:09 No.20929377
>>20929295
Gourgeist is only normal and large form. Small is B+ and super is A-. Normal and large don't have a gimmick that small and super can't do better.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:31:37 No.20929383
>>20929218
Would a mega really be enough to save her?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:31:41 No.20929384
>>20929344
Soon

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:32:20 No.20929390
>>20928764
but this is singles, you nigger. Pachi has no business outside being a substitute for Amoonguss that can't be outprioritized.

and I love Pachirisu. I honestly try using it in singles and it's not that great. The only thing its got going for it is the Volt Absorb + Super Fang niche it has which isn't much at all. I wish Pachi had better defenses/HP because it's got decent support moves.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:33:10 No.20929396
Those Gourgeist are only there because they are outclassed by XL. If it bumps up to NU, they instantly become very viable.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:33:41 No.20929405
>>20929390
And there are morons that think Pachi at worlds for a VGC tournament means something in singles, I'm not surprised if these kind of people post on /vp/ daily considering how shit this board is at competitive pokemon in general

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:33:49 No.20929406
>>20929390
Wow re-read the person you replied to.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:34:00 No.20929409
>>20929396
>XL

kek

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:34:16 No.20929416
>>20929390
You fail to understand that the average scrub has no idea of why Pachirisu worked on Sejun's team and that the circumstances of VGC14 were so unique that even it was able to shine at his super duper mega hyper niche.

You also fail to recognize that the average shitter fails to comprehend that singles =/= doubles and that Sejun used Pachirisu as a fuck you to smogon instead of the reasons he actually used him for.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:35:10 No.20929429
>>20929374
>implying itemless pokemon can stack up against 670 BST with an item

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:35:55 No.20929443
Wow, I thought Beedrill would be on there. I was surprised he wasn't. Anyway, the only one on there I ever used extensively was Vespiquen in NU, where it was quite disappointing due to all the stealth rocks. I ended up using both Avalugg and Sandslash as Rapid Spinners to keep the hazards away, and even then it still got screwed by all the blizzards and flare blitzes running around. I really wanted it to work since it has good stats and decent moves but the thing just has too many dang weaknesses to be the tank it desperately wants to be.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:36:07 No.20929449
>Chimecho

Man, fuck Knock Off. I love Chimecho to bits but it's not good at all and Knock Off fucks it sideways.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:36:14 No.20929451
>>20929366
yup. if only that speed would switch with that sp attack...

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:36:28 No.20929454
>>20929416
>that the average scrub has no idea of why Pachirisu worked on Sejun's team
Which is really quite a thing since Sejun actually stated numorous times why he used Pachi instead of Amoongus.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:37:22 No.20929464
>>20929405
It's a favorite of mine but competitively outside VGC it's not viable at all tbh. It stops volt switching and super fang is ok, but that is not nearly enough to merit anything but PU E-rank.

I'm glad Pachi got a showing at VGC finals but holy shit, it's not like it actually can do anything besides half HP and spread status.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:39:15 No.20929485
>>20929416
I also fail to understand that people can be so stupid and I expect way too much from them.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:39:21 No.20929488
>>20929384
hope your not trolling

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:40:17 No.20929500
>>20929488
No, they're going to make it an official tier this gen I think.
iirc they're going to leave it for a few weeks

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:40:19 No.20929501
>>20929383
make it bug/fairy and give it a good defensive ability. Resisting dark and ground quad resisting fighting without as crippling a rock weakness is very nice. With Defend+heal order, she can be an amazing defensive pokemon.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:41:24 No.20929521
>>20929500
oh, and I think they're going to rename NU and change PU to the new NU if it does become an official smogon tier

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:41:56 No.20929525
>>20929501
Very vulnerable to Taunt though.
Granted, that can be said about a fair amount of things, but still.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:42:44 No.20929533
>>20929525
Give it Oblivious then
:^)

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:43:18 No.20929539
>>20929533
>not Magic Bounce

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:43:23 No.20929540
>>20929533
still better than unnerve and pressure

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:43:58 No.20929546
>>20929539
>Give Magic Bounce to everything
John Gamefreak pls go

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:46:28 No.20929577
>>20929546
>giving M-Vespiquen oblivious

and this is better how?

it doesnt matter either way im just pointing it out

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:46:46 No.20929582
>>20928729
What does PU stand for?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:48:07 No.20929597
>>20929577
Why not Aroma Veil? Aren't queen bees supposed to control the other bees because of their pheromones or something like that? Aroma Veil would be very fitting thematically and a defensive Pokemon as well.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:48:07 No.20929599
>>20929577
oblivious makes her immune to Taunt. Aroma Veil could fit thematically and be even better.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:48:07 No.20929601
>>20929582
literally nothing, just pee-ew, as in, disgusting, worst of the worse. if you don't believe in me, search it.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:49:11 No.20929611
>>20929597
>>20929599
samefag, but making a good point
i want this to be a thing now

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:49:17 No.20929614
>>20929582
Pathetic usage

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:49:54 No.20929620
>>20929What does PU stand for

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:50:12 No.20929625
Sometimes it bothers me that Gamefreak shows that they have no problem making incredibly good and competitive pokemon (Aegislash) and then just sort of half-ass everything else.

I know not everything can be a powerhouse, but here we have pokemon that are still terrible even when you've removed 200 much better pokemon.

>>20929582
Nothing. It's literally "PU, these mons stink."

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:52:04 No.20929667
>>20928729
Truly the most pathetic of the most pathetic.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:53:16 No.20929679
>Chimecho

Still my favorite PU cleric, it and subpunch Muk were always a fun duo to run.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:56:46 No.20929716
>>20929620
Pfucking Useless

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:58:12 No.20929733
Avalugg is the second most physically bulky pokemon in the game, has rapid spin and reliable recovery, and has a respectably large attack stat.

But it is Ice type.

And not even good in PU.

Let that sink in.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 21:59:52 No.20929756
>>20929733
Can ice even be paired with a type that isn't complete shit?

Ground/Ice isn't completely horrible but are there any others?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:00:42 No.20929769
>>20929611
>replies were posted at exactly the same second
>calls samefag
Do you even know what that word means?

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:00:51 No.20929771
>>20929756
Fighting and Steel can work if the stat spread is right.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:01:59 No.20929791
>>20929756
Not really, Ice will ALWAYS be a downside defensively speaking. Which is why most Ice types are shit, because Gamefreak keeps having the marvelous idea of making them all slow and bulky instead of frail, fast and hard hitter.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:02:28 No.20929802
>>20929756
Ground/Ice is awesome, offensively.

The thing is that, whatever it's paired with, you're still worse off for having ice type (defensively.) If it's not a fast and powerful pokemon, Ice type just ruins it (I know Mamoswine isn't that fast but the ground typing and Thick Fat really help.)

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:02:57 No.20929813
>>20929756
the problem is that ice's only resistance is ice. Much like psychic, every ice type that's good is good in spite of the typing, not because of it.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:03:43 No.20929828
>B ranked Pokemon in NU like Carracosta and Sneasel are allowed in PU.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:05:46 No.20929849
>>20929813
>every ice type that's good is good in spite of the typing, not because of it.

Mamoswine.

Weaville even got banned from that pseudo-metagame where everyone could run a your type-ite ability and he was utterly broken with Refrigerate.

We even have Kyurem W in Ubers.

While Ice being shit defensively is a issue and some resistances wouldn't kill it, the biggest problem is that Ice types capable of abusing Ice amazing offensive capabilities are practically non-existant.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:06:48 No.20929860
>>20929828
This is the case with OU/UU too. Basically everything B+ and below is UU.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:07:06 No.20929864
>>20928729
>Dusknoir is D-
>Dusclops is D+
top kek

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Soundstorm 2014-09-11 22:07:21 No.20929871
>>20929143
>Implying stuff that works in VGC works in the singles format
>Implying you aren't a fan-gril for Furlisify
Yeah go ahead and use "Follow Me" a shit ton in singles format. You'll go far kid.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:08:05 No.20929887
>Pikachu D- in PU
Way to do your mascot justice, GF.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:08:05 No.20929888
>>20929009
Give it klutz

tada, now it isn't broken

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:08:22 No.20929891
>>20929771
Steel negates the rock and steel weakness, and instead adds a ground weakness and 4x fire and fighting weakness. It is a terrible type to add to ice.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:14:44 No.20929960
>>20929887
>But Light Ball Pikachu is good
>But my 150 attacking stats
>But it's better than Raichu (no)
>Volt tackle is a good move on something with no HP
>90 speed is acceptable
>I will be a champion just like Ash

every fucking time

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:16:17 No.20929978
>>20929143
Pachirisu is shit in every other format.
Sejun used Pachi because A) Follow Me cannot be ignored unlike Rage Powder, and B) Super Fang support.

Thanks for reminding me /vp/ is still scrub city

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:16:33 No.20929982
Don't take those too much to heart yet. The very same "Elite Smogon players" thought Mawile wasn't worthy of A rank on OU. The very same people who jumped on the bandwagon as soon as one dude cried about it being broken.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:20:35 No.20930025
>>20929982
I'm pretty sure Mawile was initially A-rank and never dropped, and that was back when Fite Puppy was still allowed.

And multiple people had been talking about suspecting it for so long, it wasn't band-wagon. It only looks like it because you can't talk about banning things on the forum, but there was a lot of internal discussion about it before they started the official test.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:22:07 No.20930038
>>20929982
The viability threads are fucking shit

>I think Lando-I isn't worth S-rank anymore
jesus fuck

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:24:15 No.20930059
You can wreck with any of these.
In full randoms.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:24:24 No.20930062
>>20929960
Raichu should be a stand alone mutation/species related to pikachu with better bulk and like 550 bst so Pikachu can have 490.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:31:28 No.20930150
>>20928785
Because it's cute as fuck.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:34:23 No.20930181
a legendary
more like a legendary failure
being regigigas is suffering
pls gamefreak, a primal ASAP

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:48:34 No.20930353
>Watchog
Why did Gamefreak make this thing so shit? All of the other rodents have at least some kind of niche, whether its viable or not.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:50:16 No.20930381
>>20928729
>regigigas
>bad
have they never run a parafusion set with king regi

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:51:17 No.20930388
>>20930381
Smogon recommend that set
Probably because muh luck or something

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:53:46 No.20930417
>>20930025
Lucario was banned when people wanted to drop it from A. I remember because the S tier was Venusaur, Aegislash and Deoxys S, or something like that. No Genesect, which went out together with Lucario.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:54:58 No.20930430
>>20930417
Is there anyway to see the previous rankings?
Why the fuck don't they do it like the RU guys

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 22:59:04 No.20930476
>Beautifly
>shit
All it needs is better defense
This guy absolutely wrecked Sydney and Wallace in my emerald nuzlocke.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 23:00:48 No.20930491
>>20930430
Every tier seems to do it differently.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 23:02:08 No.20930498
>>20930476
Story mode is easy compared to the harsh environment of the PU meta.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 23:03:15 No.20930503
>>20930388
still a damn good set, helped me along in ubers alot

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 23:06:03 No.20930521
>>20930476
>Thinking in-game performance matters
Retard.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 23:11:28 No.20930584
>Beedrill is more viable than Dusknoir

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 23:14:03 No.20930604
>but smogon doesn't shit on pokemon
>but smogon only makes tiers by usage
>but smogon tries to make every pokemon somewhat viable

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 23:14:12 No.20930607
>>20930353
It was meant to be useful to catch Pokémon. Just look at that movepool. Fuck Analytic. That thing needed Compoundeyes or No Guard, so it could be, at least, an average sleep inducer.

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 23:18:17 No.20930651
>>20930604
you accidentally used the green meme arrows there anon

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Anonymous 2014-09-11 23:18:26 No.20930653
>>20928729
Fuck the weather users being obligatory in high tiers. This is the only reason for Cherrim to be here.

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 01:48:24 No.20932223
>>20929625
>my_queen.jpg
My nigga

Of all the E-ranked-in-PU shitmon, Vespiquen has the best design. I love it, but god I wish it wasn't so incomprehensibly terrible. I mean they gave it three signature moves, certainly someone at Gamefreak cares...?

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 08:26:40 No.20935952
>>20930604
>m-muh smogon boogieman

They actually tried to make a handful of Pokemon more viable with this new tier and some Pokemon still completely fail to stand out because they are just that fucking shit.

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 08:31:55 No.20935976
>>20928841
>160 attack
that was impressive three generations ago

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 09:38:00 No.20936252
>>20928729
do they have rank for the other tiers?

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 09:39:28 No.20936256
>smogon

kek

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 09:41:44 No.20936261
>>20929046
Are you retarded? Honest question.

It would be OU at the very least, and likely Uber.

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 09:53:35 No.20936293
>>20936252
yeah, just check the respective subforums, they're usually bumped to the top

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 09:55:49 No.20936299
> Vespiquen
NO! NOOOOOO!

She has the BEST design out of all of those listed ;_;

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 10:22:40 No.20936371
>>20928729
>Regigas
I know it's shit, but not THAT shit. Bottom of the lowest level, damn.

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 10:27:37 No.20936393
>>20928729
>gen 3 - 9 Pokemon
>gen 4 - 7 Pokemon
>every other gen - 3 or less
Hoennbabies and Sinnohfetuses WILL defend this

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 11:13:39 No.20936534
>>20929733
dies to any special attack.

oh wait I forgot about the epic 'all ice types are shit' maymay

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 11:23:06 No.20936560
>>20936534
it's not really a meme, it's just the sad truth that mono ice types are guaranteed to be garbage

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 11:25:38 No.20936569
>>20936560
simply ebin :^)

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 11:41:29 No.20936598
>Slaking
>swalot
>bad
also
>no beedrill
fuck this list is garbage

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 11:48:37 No.20936612
>>20936569

O so gr8 m80 :^) >:^]

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 11:59:56 No.20936662
>>20936598
>Implying Beedril doesnt't have a niche thanks to Sniper
>Implying Slaking and Swalot aren't complete shit if you don't play against kiddies
No, it's your opinion that's garbage.

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Anonymous 2014-09-12 12:03:38 No.20936675
>>20936662
Slaking revenge kills like a truck and encore on a pokemon that can set up stockpiles shouldnt be underestimated.

And sniper beedrill a shit.







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