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The Ape of 2017-04-08 13:54:03 No.18869942

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Contesting Orthodoxy in Medieval Europe
The Daimon in Hellenic Astrology (A Brill Edition, probably VERY relevant to HGA/Augoeides work).
Male Witches in Early Modern Europe
Religion and the Decline of Magic

Inuit Shamanism and Christianity: Transition and Transformation in the 20th C. (Should be more or less similar, but less complex, than the Teabo manuscript I posted last update; Amerinds grappling with Christianity).

Mo: Tibetan Divination System

The Ape of 2017-04-08 14:09:35 No.18869972
>Mo: Tibetan Divination System


Anonymous 2017-04-08 14:13:06 No.18869983
How is the thread in /his/ doing?

The Ape of 2017-04-08 14:15:09 No.18869991
Well, will probably duplicate over there once my thread sages off the board.

360+ replies.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 14:17:52 No.18869999
>be me, casting a spell on spur of the moment
>don't pay any attention to planetary alignments or what day of the week it is or all the stuff that's supposed to matter when casting a spell
>the spell works anyway
Does this ever happen to anyone else? And how does it make you feel? For me it's a little awkward, I feel like I'm getting away with something that I shouldn't be, like I'm somehow "cheating" the laws of magick or something.

I guess the number one law of magick (which I'm breaking right now) is to never ask too many questions. If it works, don't overthink it.

The Ape of 2017-04-08 14:19:13 No.18870002
>Iesod quads
I get results when I don't time my rites.
I just get better results when I do.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 14:19:16 No.18870003
I thought it was to know, to will, to do, and to be silent? :-P

Anonymous 2017-04-08 14:22:45 No.18870010
>to be silent
I'd say "don't overanalyze and ask too many questions" falls under that.

Princess Sevenleaf 2017-04-08 14:25:41 No.18870015
>be me, getting quads without having my tripcode on

Nequior 2017-04-08 14:27:16 No.18870020
It's sometimes hard not to over analyze and expound when you're starving for perspective though.

Princess Sevenleaf 2017-04-08 14:31:52 No.18870030
Yeah but knowing when to ask a question, and knowing when to shut up and listen to what the universe is trying to tell you, is part of the skill "to know."

Anonymous 2017-04-08 14:53:47 No.18870079
I second this, and have experienced the difference up to and including evokation

The Ape of 2017-04-08 14:55:43 No.18870084
I know, it's almost like the people who created these rites were ON TO SOMETHING.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 15:06:47 No.18870119
Naaahhhhh. I'm gonna be like that guy a little while back bitching about having to time the rites instead of 'figuring out what works best thru trial and error'

Anonymous 2017-04-08 15:36:40 No.18870188
>The Daimon in Hellenic Astrology

One more for the reading list I suppose

Anonymous 2017-04-08 15:49:10 No.18870211
Arcanum : The Complete Guide to Systems of Magick & the Unification of the Metaphysical Universe
By Joshua Free

Is it a good book?

Anonymous 2017-04-08 16:06:42 No.18870241
Never read it but usually books that claim to be "complete guides" or "the only book you need" aren't that great in my experience.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 16:11:57 No.18870259
Anyone else have experience with vision quests? Although the visions were fairly varied and took place over a number of days, this image sort of encapsulated what is was like. The funnest ones were where I and various known and previously unknown alien/demonic pals would team up and conquer the heavens (with me usually exhibiting immense power I'm quite sure I couldn't actually have). Many parts of this greater vision quest were downright scary, but in retrospect a lot of it was fun (though it wasn't necessarily fun at the time). There were a ton of elements in play and it changed up many times over the days. Ever since it happened about 3 weeks ago I have also felt really tired and am able to sleep easily.

Any experience with these at all? I'm still unsure if this was a game for the demons or if somehow my own power was involved in it, but either way it was incredibly unique experience.

These entities introduced themselves to me through JoyofSatan.org, so I tend to instinctively think of them as aliens that came from other planets.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 16:19:23 No.18870273
Bumping with DCS' Magickal circle

The Ape of 2017-04-08 16:42:40 No.18870321
>don't forget you're here forever


Yeah I have experience with Vision Questing but what you're doing doesn't sound like that.


Saw that. Wondering who the bust on the left is.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 16:43:36 No.18870324
Noice. That room looks neat. Simple yet elegant.

The Ape of 2017-04-08 16:49:43 No.18870343
>With Jews,
>You...get a pretty nice Kabbalistic exegesis, actually.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 16:53:18 No.18870353
I don't even know what the figure on the right is although it appears to be doing the Sign of Apophis

Anonymous 2017-04-08 16:54:59 No.18870360
Well it's just the word I came up with for it. And regardless of what you think of JoS, certain entities are definitely watching it and behind it.

The Ape of 2017-04-08 16:55:47 No.18870362
Those are Vajrayana tools.

He's an initiated Buddhist, afaik.

He's got the Vajrayogini chopping axe on the right side of the altar.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 16:58:45 No.18870378
Oh. My eastern knowledge is really lacking.

Happy first day of writing btw

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:19:53 No.18870457
Yes, but I don't actually use the term vision quest, because [reasons]...what you experienced sounds more like daydreaming than anything, really. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Also, I say this a LOT, but you should really try to avoid JoS. I have nothing against satanism per se, but JoS has literally no sense of history, anthropology, geography, theology, or reality. There is hardly a thing on their site that isn't completely made up. The only reason I waste my time typing this out any time someone references JoS is that I still hold out a little hope for the duped (is there a saint for that?). But if you're going to get into satanism online, avoid anything that says "for adult entertainment purposes only" at all costs. Good luck!

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:25:49 No.18870477
All magic systems are made up to some degree. Usually the answer to "How much?" is "More than you imagine." Don't be too harsh, Anon.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:36:30 No.18870519
Well, go to JoS and find out for yourself. Not all magick systems delude themselves about the history of a certain sect so they can claim a lineage that doesn't exist, for example. Only shitty ones.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:37:36 No.18870524
Like Wicca?

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:37:52 No.18870526
Not all magick systems are based on snaring kids into Nazism and inverting Christian cosmology-but only to a certain extent, mind you- either.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:38:53 No.18870530
Yes, like Wicca, and like JoS

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:44:50 No.18870554
It was no daydream at all. I mean these entities at points were literally astral drilling into my brain and you could easily feel it. It was half vision quest, and half actually interacting with these entities without any visions in my head (thought I know they were being highly deceptive just about the whole time if not the whole time). These entities (unless it really was me doing it and actually using them subconsciously) were extremely powerful and seized my body on one occasion and gave me a very powerful 'hallucination' on another occasion (or I just did it subconsciously).

Anyway, this is all extremely hard to explain and I am leaving out so many details only because it is so complex and confusing to explain. Something very odd is happening on this Earth.

The pic related album was made about this period in life in fucking 1999. All their albums are about the war that JoS.org describes except seemingly this one which is about me and my experiences. This specific vision quest period is in the lyrics right here

>Sometimes fear is power
>Like when I lost control

Anyway whatever is happening here I'm pretty sure it really bad, and it's definitely bad if this album is somehow 'real' and produced by my subconscious or some demi-urge cause I'm lets say morally compromised and I know exactly what this album means when it talks about the darkness that is coming. A lot of people on this planet actually look like pigs. I think this is some farm planet.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:46:13 No.18870558
Also, I wouldn't say JoS has any actual system in place or really even utilize any magick to be spoken of.. I have yet to see any actual rituals from them, other than ''satan's demons are benevolent so you don't need a circle or triangle, just call out their name and LARP instead. I'm Maxine Dietrich, I have sex with demons, and I approve this message''

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:46:40 No.18870561

fuck me, swear i didn't do that

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:47:09 No.18870564
Isn't this a functional description of Golden Dawn?

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:49:02 No.18870568
Anon, I hate to say it but these are schizo-typal thought patterns. Not just the vision stuff, but the album stuff combined with what else you are saying. IDK how old you are but sometimes schizophrenia doesn't come out til later in life, and if you have the predisposition it can even be triggered by certain events. There are medications that, while they don't make the symptoms go away, they help you to distinguish between hallucination and reality. I'm not even ragging on you right now, but it won't hurt to go to a doctor and find out for sure.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:50:18 No.18870575
IDK, the only GD lineage I know of is the one going back to the lodge in Germany back when Westcott or whoever deciphered the dox found in (his?) library. Why, what were you referring to?

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:55:19 No.18870595
Precisely to the made up Cipher Manuscripts. If the system works, its story doesn't matter.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:56:15 No.18870600
Ape, I was asking you the other day about Amalantrah and Abuldiz... and I got to thinking...not only should it still be possible to contact them, but the heads of the order *should* be in contact with them, no? Do you happen to know if they are?

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:57:46 No.18870608
I hope you're right but if so, this schizophrenia has power on the astral. Which is scary. There is no doubt in my mind I was meant to hear that album.

Just read about this war between Anu/Enki and shit that JoS contents and read the lyrics of these guy's album, all their lyrics are about this war. It's no coincidence I found JoS and believed this war was actually happening for so long. Anyway sorry for sounding like a roleplayer/scizoid whatever, swear I didn't do that 666.jpg thing.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 17:57:53 No.18870609
I mean, the Cipher manuscipts were made up by the Head of a lodge in Germany who wanted to commission a lodge in England...so in that sense yes they were made up, but I've never heard anyone claim they were made by anyone other than the person who made them...?

Anonymous 2017-04-08 18:01:54 No.18870625
Even if the story itself was BS, the GD system of magic wasn't pulled out of thin air...A lot of it goes back to the GMP and other traditions.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 18:06:41 No.18870647
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/ by secret teaching of the ages

Manly P Hall, blavatsky, sadhguru, are my short list of philosophical greats of our time.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 18:09:49 No.18870662
How much experience do you have with astral projection?

Anonymous 2017-04-08 18:21:58 No.18870728
None at all. I have only done about 3 years of pretty heavy daily yoga and I have opened my Third Eye (at least a bit but probably not completely open since I don't see these entities when I know and feel that they are around me) using the method on JoS but that is all I have done.

I can feel it a bit (not great) when I have sexual experiences with them through their astral body and my physical body. I assume this ability to feel them is solely from the intense yoga since I am completely closed off to most astral experiences.

While I am aware working on these astral abilities is a possibility, right now I am too scared to do so.

Anyway I have considered other possibilities about what is going on here including me being tested by these entities in which case this world is possibly not as dark as I was thinking. But most of the possibilities seem quite bad and I'm quite afraid to be in the center of this. I suppose I will continue to 'enjoy' the ride I guess.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 18:32:11 No.18870770

Anonymous 2017-04-08 18:34:58 No.18870781
I mean, one generally cannot astral project without experience, if that helps. What types/methods of yoga have you been practicing?

Anonymous 2017-04-08 18:35:34 No.18870783
It's the same with many others, but then the words plagiarism and leeching are thrown around. People are never happy.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 18:37:15 No.18870788
yeah I think those are called dreams

Anonymous 2017-04-08 18:37:24 No.18870789
Like, unless you are experienced inhabiting your "body of Light," so called, what you are experiencing likely has little to do with the astral. That's just my considered opinion.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 18:44:27 No.18870818
I heard, when pathworking, it's best to stand (rather than sit crossed-legged) as it disrupts the flow of things. Is this accurate?

Anonymous 2017-04-08 18:44:28 No.18870819
Well, there's sycretism, which involves borrowing to incorporate and cannibalizing other traditions, the there is borrowing while claiming to be original (plagiarism), then there is just pulling stuff out of one's ass because history doesn't align with one's desires are one can't be bothered to actually base a system on the way things actually are (or whatever other reasons people completely fabricate stuff without even considering if it has a historical basis). I consider these to be distinct.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 18:46:07 No.18870829
IDK pathworking is a fairly broad term, anon...to what specifically are you referring?

Anonymous 2017-04-08 18:54:01 No.18870866
My apologies, I meant when performing rituals like the middle pillar or working with the tree of life. I didn't mean when working with a particular system - moreso guided/visualized meditation.

Best to sit or stand?

Anonymous 2017-04-08 19:01:04 No.18870890
I stand when doing MPR, but Regardie reccomends sitting in a chair to begin with... I'm not sure which is more effective, I have always stood while doing it...If you're doing sepherotic meditations, I'm not sure it really matters...hell, you can do them in asana if you want! However, just like any type of meditation, you want to start out in whatever position you're most comfortable to begin with...still, if anyone's doing that kind of work they probably ought to be fairly competent and proficient in meditation anyway. Somebody please jump in and correct me if I'm wrong.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 19:04:35 No.18870900
My main reason for standing for MP is that it makes the most sense in terms of the contexts in which I actually utilize it, but also because it becomes hard to sit after charging up like that.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 19:05:28 No.18870904
Thanks for your time.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 19:07:04 No.18870910
You're welcome. Check back later if you have the time to see if anyone else has input or corrects anything I said.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 19:13:43 No.18870934
>see if anyone else has input or corrects anything I said.
Of course. However, I'm an occult noob. I just started practicing LBR, MP, and just recently downloaded the library in the OP. Mulling through the beginners folder.

The only legit occult group I have in my area is the OTO - thinking about contacting them/joining them. I gotta go through the A:. A:. Folder for that. I'm also highly interested in the Cultus Sabbati; but it's beyond me at this point.

I love lurking in these threads - I wish I had more to contribute. My reading list is just so vast.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 19:14:32 No.18870939
Remember to practice. You gain as much if not more from than than reading

Anonymous 2017-04-08 19:17:49 No.18870948
Cool. Be sure to invoke as well as banish. If you're looking to go to the next step, Liber Resh is a good place to go...it mostly involves invocation/memorization. And drop in here with questions...I've managed to get some pretty specific questions answered in these threads in the past.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 19:30:39 No.18870978
>I mean, the Cipher manuscipts were made up by the Head of a lodge in Germany

There's no compelling evidence for that. The manuscripts were most likely created in England.

>A lot of it goes back to the GMP and other traditions.


Anonymous 2017-04-08 19:49:34 No.18871018
I will keep practicing, for sure. Thank you.

>Be sure to invoke as well as banish
>Liber Resh
I'll read up on it. I'm assuming it's a good, beginner invocation?

>And drop in here with questions...I've managed to get some pretty specific questions answered in these threads in the past.

Alright, can do. I have one, when performing the LBR, its to my understanding that you're not necessarily calling upon the divine to cleanse the space/give you energy - but it's you, yourself that doing this. Is it accurate to think this way?

Anonymous 2017-04-08 19:51:07 No.18871022
I am both of those posts... I guess maybe there isn't,. We do know that the actual manuscripts do exist, and I guess the rest is speculation. Either way, there's no invalidating the actual content of them.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 19:55:01 No.18871028
Uhh Resch is invocations/sun adorations. You're going to probably want to look up the chapter that is named after your rising sign, and that will be the adoration you use after each invocation...there are other ways to do it, but that's what I do...
> Is it accurate to think this way?
I would say it's both. you're calling the divine power/energy into yourself, but I also think there's an aspect of this that involves more of a "your divine self calling your lower self" in an aspiration-type sense... Hopefully Ape (or anyone else qualified) can come back and expand on this and/or correct any errors.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 19:56:03 No.18871030
>You're going to probably want to look up the chapter that is named after your rising sign
The chapter in "Treasurehouse of Images." Sorry.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 19:58:56 No.18871036
Thank you! That's good to know, I'll look around for that chapter you spoke of.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 20:08:34 No.18871053
>Either way, there's no invalidating the actual content of them.

It is what it is. I think the content came from the late Kenneth Mackenzie and see nothing inconsistent with that assumption.

>I also think there's an aspect of this that involves more of a "your divine self calling your lower self" in an aspiration-type sense.

Just remember that this is a useful way of looking at it, not a statement of absolute fact. There is no "higher self". There is only self.

Anonymous 2017-04-08 20:15:06 No.18871069
Are we thinking of two different people? The watermark says 1805, I believe

>There is no "higher self"
According to...?

Anonymous 2017-04-08 20:32:22 No.18871107
Is there another /his/ thread up Ape?

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