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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:25:44 No.11728448

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I've been dabbling in psychedelics for the past few years.

Long story short, it's made me question whether or not people that use them are messing with a world that we were meant to stay out of. I originally started using them because:

1. Drugs are fun

and

2. I wanted to gain knowledge.

At first I seemed to be gaining all kinds of insights from my trips. But really long story short, I've decided that I think some things are better left unknown. I realized that the knowledge that you gain from these kinds of things brings mostly pain and little pleasure. What little pleasure I took from it went towards stroking my own ego for having the knowledge in the first place.

Those of you who have used psychedelics know that feeling of having communicated with entities outside of your own psyche. Going into this phase, I did not believe in the paranormal. At all. If someone had told me this stuff, I would have said, "No shit, you were on drugs." But having the experiences myself have made me question my own skepticism a little bit.

Pic related.


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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:26:32 No.11728451
*was derived from

not went towards

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:27:12 No.11728453
>>11728448
Its taken me years to rebuild my fragile psyche.

Without love and selflessness the insights you speak of ARE truly more weight then transcendence.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:29:30 No.11728465
>>11728453

I haven't met many people, if any, who have gone through a lot of psychedelic experiences and are loving, selfless people.

All the figureheads are falsely-modest dick holes. Terrance McKenna, Joe Rogan, Timothy Leary, John Lennon, all of them.

Do these people you speak of really exist?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:31:31 No.11728473
>>11728465
I hope so.

And I understand what you mean about those people.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:35:23 No.11728496
>>11728465
me

but lemme tell you, being loving and selfless, its still uncovered what a shit place this reality were trapped in is. Psychos, negative people, shit talkers, agressive people, etc etc...exist. and for some reason being a good person draws them directly to you as though you have a glowing red target on your chest

also the annoying increased hearing(i can actually sort of zone into also, hearing peoples conversations at concerts etc)has really fucked me over. you wouldnt realize how many people are constantly talking hate upon for petty s reason such as my appearance, or how awkward i am(thats another thing i think im awkward as fuck now because im living in other peoples mind alot more than my own and it messes everything up)

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:36:29 No.11728504
>>11728496
They come to you, for a reason obviously.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:38:05 No.11728511
>>11728465

You make a good point I'd never thought of before. Still, out of the sample of people in my life, I'd rather be around people who've had a psychedelic experience than one who hadn't, on average.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:40:56 No.11728522
OP here:

One parallel that I've drawn is that the kind of knowledge you get from a psychedelic experience is the same kind that is described in the story of Genesis with the forbidden fruit. Ironic, since I used to mock religious people. Now I think about it every day.

Are we committing some kind of "sin" against "God" by going into this other world?

God I sound so fucking insane and I don't understand how this happened, but holy shit there's this whole portion of reality that I had no idea existed and the realization has turned my entire world upside down.

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psychicsoup 2013-01-02 09:41:18 No.11728525
Sorry to hear about your bad experiences. Sounds like you grew up with a heavy christian upbringing. It's designed to make you feel shitty for seeking gnosis like that. I can take time to deprogram yourself from it. I spent the age of 15 to 20 dropping LSD with good friends. And I must say it wasn't fun all the time. Terrorfying at times. But I came out the other end a better person. And I found my way spiritually as well.

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psychicsoup 2013-01-02 09:42:11 No.11728528
>>11728522
holy shit I didn't even see this post when I made my first one. Confirmed for damaged by Christianity.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:45:07 No.11728536
>>11728522

On the other hand, I remember some scholars proposing that the psychedelic mushroom was the original sacrament


Alan Watts - The Alchemy of LSD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJyT7WkRcZg

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:45:16 No.11728539
>>11728522
either dont sweat it. life is a gift, even i yours happens to be filled with darkness.

In. Death. We. Trust.

you know how you wake up right before you die in your dreams at night?

Bless.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:46:38 No.11728542
>>11728525
>>11728528

That's the thing though, I was never a heavily Christian person. I was raised Christian in a passive way. We went to church but we were never *that* serious about it. My whole family gradually stopped caring about religion altogether and we all just stopped going to church at some point.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:48:16 No.11728544
>>11728525

And if trying to become like God is such a good thing then why does it seem like everyone that does it is so fucking unhappy?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:49:48 No.11728546
>>11728544

Maybe when you threaten to escape the karmic cycle, your karmic creditors come calling.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:49:59 No.11728547
>>11728544
There are no shortcuts to Enlightenment.

Without the proper context knowledge can be confusing, destructive and misleading.

A strong Will will find a path and a persons biggest enemies is them self.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:51:36 No.11728551
>>11728547

Could you be a little less cryptic?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:52:37 No.11728557
>>11728546

This is kind of what I'm thinking. Maybe we have these lives for a good reason and we shouldn't meddle with the system.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:53:23 No.11728561
>>11728547
For me personally drugs let take my mind into realms I didnt know existed, but in doing so I became more and more seperate from the Inner Truth of Living as a complete human.

The more I learned and expanded my consciousness the more I lost my self, and my center.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:55:09 No.11728570
>>11728561

OP here.

This is exactly what happened to me.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:56:39 No.11728577
>>11728465
>projecting your own dick personality onto people trying to spread truth to others
>2013

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:56:44 No.11728578
>>11728570
I was a shown a path and it frightened me.
It took me years to finally become functional again, and Im still not living the life I want to live completely.

At the same time, Im not sure I would do it any differently. As long as I can keep moving life can get better and I can become a better person.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:57:44 No.11728581
>>11728577

No, it's a pretty well-known fact that all of those people were assholes.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:57:47 No.11728582
>>11728448

What sort of knowledge/insight did you gain from these trips?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 09:57:47 No.11728583
Shit, am I the only person here who liked their spirit journey in the psychadelic realms?

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OP 2013-01-02 09:59:00 No.11728588
>>11728583

A lot of the trips themselves were fun. It's mostly the aftermath I'm talking about here.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:00:17 No.11728592
>>11728588

For me, the aftermath is kind of the point. Every trip has a period of reassimilation at the end where you have to put yourself back together, and I think this - not the trip itself - is where a lot of the positive (or negative) changes come about

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OP 2013-01-02 10:02:24 No.11728600
>>11728578

Could you talk a little more about the path you were shown? Did you decide to follow it in the end? Why or why not?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:05:35 No.11728612
>>11728578

What is this "path" you speak of? Your "life-path"? As in, the future?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:05:54 No.11728614
>>11728600
It came down to having to release spiritual/emotional baggage, mostly having to do with my sexuality.

I didnt follow it, but now, years later Im doing better.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:06:59 No.11728617
After some experiences with meditation I won't be fucking trying to open doors any time soon.

What I saw practically made my balls shoot up into my chest.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:08:07 No.11728624
>>11728617
I think there must be infinite Beings out there to find.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:08:43 No.11728629
>>11728624
You don't want to see one, brother.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:09:46 No.11728634
>>11728629
Ive seen plenty amigo.

I said infinite because Ive seen and dealt with plenty...

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:15:24 No.11728651
>>11728634
How I r 2 c 2?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:17:44 No.11728659
>>11728651
Are you asking howd you learn to see them as well?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:17:51 No.11728661
>>11728634
She was absolutely beautiful. A humanoid that looked like the idealized image of a person. Absolute perfection. And that lack of any kind of flaw sort of made her a little towards 'the uncanny valley'

But it wasn't a welcoming presence, oh God no...

She shot me a glare of absolute contempt and utter disdain. And it wasn't the look she was giving me. It was the TRUTH she was giving me.

I was a fucking cockroach. Lowly, full of negativity and little if no redeeming qualities. I saw in that instant how terrible I was compared to a higher being.

We're really -all- bastards. Singling out famous bastards like Leary and Lennon is ignoring the larger problem.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:20:53 No.11728669
>>11728661
Never met anything that human looking.

Ive had greys literally appear before my eyes while I was wide awake. Physical.

My mind can basically go wherever I send it. For the most part.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:22:03 No.11728675
>>11728661
Somehow in my quest for enlightenment I was not expecting

>"Oh yeah, they fucking hate you."

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:24:01 No.11728682
>>11728675
Not all of them do. Youre dealing with Entities that have a far, far greater understanding of reality then you do. They are aware of themselves far more then you or i are aware of the aspects of yourselves.

To her or it, you may have been as ant at a picknick (no offense, but Ive been there before).

Dont feel bad, but respect what youve seen and learn a lesson if you can.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:24:27 No.11728683
>>11728659
Sort of.

Mostly I was trying to see how badly I could butcher a sentence and still get a thought across. The threshold is high, apparently.

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psychicsoup 2013-01-02 10:24:28 No.11728684
>meditating after taking 2 hits of golden dragon
>end up in an indescribable color landscape
>goddess Kali forms out of the colors
>places her finger on my third eye chakra which I know for some reason has turned into a wet sloppy vagina
>she proceeds to rub the clit of my third eye pussy gently
>compete bliss
>she inserts her finger that turns into a cock and proceeds to fuck my third eye pussy.
>we both explode in glorious orgasm
>best day ever
>kali made my pussy cum and I'm 100% male

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:25:46 No.11728689

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>>11728684
I salute you.

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OP 2013-01-02 10:25:54 No.11728690
>>11728675

You seem to be on the same line of thought that I am. During one of my mushroom trips, I thought that I was an eternal being who was stuck in a horrible reality for all eternity, and I made up the idea that I was mortal so that I could protect myself from the terrible truth.

Maybe digging isn't such a good idea.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:28:15 No.11728696
>>11728682
I can see why in the bible days people you KNOW were fucking around with meditation and psychedelics made every effort to not look the beings they saw in the face. It was withering.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:28:36 No.11728698
So are all you guys dropping LSD? What about salvia?

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OP 2013-01-02 10:30:43 No.11728704
>>11728698

I've been using mushrooms and marijuana (marijuana is actually a very weak psychedelic, and those psychedelic properties are stronger with me than the are for most people for some reason)

I've never done Salvia, but I've read a lot about it. The trip reports I have read fall in line with the questions I'm asking in this thread.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:32:48 No.11728713
>>11728704
I'm just asking because its legal and only lasts for 5 minutes which I've heard feels like an eternity.

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OP 2013-01-02 10:33:58 No.11728717
>>11728713

Yes, it sometimes literally feels like eternity.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:37:23 No.11728728
>>11728717

As opposed to figuratively feeling like an eternity?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:38:10 No.11728731
>>11728448
OP i think that you resisted the trip way more than you think. Most of the time the insights you get from lsd are blocked by the "filters" in your mind set up by society (to you its christianity)
but once you understand how to stop resisting, its all good and you feel your mind is purified from your delusions and paranoiac thoughts
read this, http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=43800
if i hadnt read/seen stuff about lsd i would have ended just like this dude, but hopefuly it went well (1st time on lsd and i took 2,5 tabs, i dont know the dosage but the trip lasted 20 hours)

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 10:38:21 No.11728733
looking forward to trying psychedelics someday, definitely need a life re-boot/jumpstart/etc. to change my perspective on shit. Guess it's one way to conform to the hipsters and miserable life on this planet, trick myself into thinking this life is cool.

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OP 2013-01-02 10:39:32 No.11728739
>>11728728

Yes...

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OP 2013-01-02 10:40:33 No.11728744
>>11728733

If you go into a trip with this mindset then it's going to have the opposite effect of what you are looking for.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 19:09:35 No.11730718
bump

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 19:28:20 No.11730803
Psys are a felt experience which can lead to the states described by the ancient teachers/shamen. For best effects, in order to take something back to everyday reality- you should have a guide, or be knowledgeable to allow the psy to guide you itself.
To allow the psy to guide you, it is better if it is a plant. Chems don't have the same experience as plants do.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 19:33:42 No.11730831
My opinion on all this.

Psychedelics (and particularly LSD, in my case) open up parts of your brain that haven't been opened before, and boost your process for understanding. They force you to look at the world around you in ways you haven't seen before. The first time I dropped acid, it felt like my mind was going backwards in time; I started reflecting about parts of my childhood that I hadn't thought about in forever, and ultimately realized that all my fears of how people saw me were self-perpetuating fears, and that I had nothing to be afraid of. I realized people could care less about me, and that that was a good thing. I also thought about how the world and our government functions, and realized a lot of important things then that have since made me very skeptical about the United States' structure, but that's another story.

During the trip it was at times scary and overwhelming to think about those things, but by the time it was over I felt refreshed and energized (couldn't sleep though and that was annoying). A lot of my fears had been qualmed, and I felt like I could resume my life instead of cower in a corner somewhere.

Then, a few weeks later, I did it for a second time with a bunch of friends. We did it really late at night and chilled in the woods near our high school. That in itself was fun, but when I got back to my dad's just before the sun rose, I did a lot of thinking about my family and realized how fucked up/broken up it was and that there was nothing I could do to improve that. Because of this incident, I've gone through a very rough time for the rest of the year that I'm just starting to come out of.
(continued)

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 19:38:47 No.11730854
(continued)
I understand what people are saying about it being a mistake to take these substances, but this is what's really going on: we all come out as better people in the end, and they're absolutely essential. However, the society we live in still frowns upon substance use heavily instead of actually educating the public on what substances are harmful and which ones are rather beneficial instead. I've spoken with a lot of people about my trips, and the only ones who have had good things to say are those who have either tripped also or are very interested in doing so. Those who were neither told me that I was being stupid and reckless and that those substances were very dangerous to the brain (which if you do legit research on the internet, is total bullshit. LSD, mushrooms, mescaline, none of these are physically harmful to your body whatsoever). This is largely why it feels like a mistake when pondering our trips; we know deep down inside that something profound has happened to us, but it's just not a kosher thing to talk about when it should be. These substances show you a world that is much more real than the one we reside in, but then you have to leave that world and go back to the old one, knowing how fucked up it is and that it's not gonna change anytime soon.

It's all about mind over matter, and making sure you time your trips for key moments in your lives. I think the biggest reason why I had a bad trip the second time I did LSD was the fact that I had had a great trip only a few weeks before, and that I was coming back to it way too soon. I have the opportunity to trip with a good friend of mine when this break is over and I'm back at school, and I expect this one to go a lot better because I've waited much longer to try LSD again.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 19:44:27 No.11730888
>>11728448
DMT is in our brain constantly so I would think we are built to handle them at the very least. Taking a ten strip is a whole nother can of worms compared to a few shrooms though, and people who don't know what they're getting into should be aware of the consequences.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 19:49:28 No.11730915
>>11730888
They're just a slightly different molecule than what our brain physically produces. Gawd I wanna try some DMT soo bad.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 19:51:37 No.11730924
>>11730888
>>11730915

That DMT thing about our pineal glands and such is 99% pseudoscience. There's very little actual evidence to support it.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 19:53:40 No.11730939
>>11728570
>>11728561

>ego death
Isn't that at least partly the point?

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OP 2013-01-02 19:55:04 No.11730949
>>11730939

It wasn't all at once. It was gradual and it happened without me realizing it until a year later I snapped back to my center for a few seconds when I was really high.

This all happened when I was just smoking weed, by the way. I hadn't done shrooms yet.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 19:55:13 No.11730950
>>11730924
We still have DMT running through our brains, whether or not its constructed in the pineal.

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OP 2013-01-02 19:57:29 No.11730963
>>11730950

It hasn't been found in the brain period. That doesn't mean that it's *not* there, but the claim is still not scientifically supported.

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CranialHeartache 2013-01-02 20:02:22 No.11730985
>>11728539

I've died in my dreams before.

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CranialHeartache 2013-01-02 20:04:36 No.11731001
>>11728578

I'm curious, what was the path you saw?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 20:06:26 No.11731015
>>11730963
the way I see it, its made in our bodies- and from what I've read should be able to pass through the BBB.

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CranialHeartache 2013-01-02 20:14:33 No.11731085
>>11731001

Nevermind read through thread.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 20:23:46 No.11731141
How are you guys so sure you're not just hallucinating?

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OP 2013-01-02 20:27:31 No.11731166
>>11731141

We're not. It's just that these are some damn strange experiences.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 20:28:36 No.11731174
>>11731141
Notice how the tread remarks mainly upon the changes in mental perception, ie disarrangement of the ego.
Everything learned must be taken with a grain of salt, and how it applies to everyday reality

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:03:11 No.11731410
>>11731174

This. Honestly, I thought /x/ would be better at psychedelics than they appear to be. Then again, maybe this place selects for people with a salt shortage.

But that's okay. If you guys need some salt, Robert Anton Wilson has some for you to share: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BdTgPhrEHA

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:07:28 No.11731434

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>>11728448
>1. Drugs are fun
So is sex but if you start having sex with everybody then you'll get an STD.

>2. I wanted to gain knowledge.
Have you tried reading a book?

>dat Illuminati brainwashing

Good boy do them drugs!

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:09:35 No.11731449
>>11731434
>>2. I wanted to gain knowledge.
>Have you tried reading a book?

There is power in felt experience.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:09:37 No.11731450
>>11731434
sex is not like drugs, every junkie agrees with me

tried reading a book? why don´t you go write a book on 4chan

good boy? I´m actually 17.5 yes that´s more than hundred years

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:12:23 No.11731474
>>11731434

>So is sex but if you start having sex with everybody then you'll get an STD.
Does the price of sex keep you from having it?

>Have you tried reading a book?
Some things seem to be beyond words and concepts which can be expressed symbolically

>dat Illuminati brainwashing, Good boy do them drugs!
wat

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:13:35 No.11731482
>>11731474
>>11731450
>>11731449
>>11731434
>>11731410
samefag

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:15:01 No.11731492
>>11728465
>All the figureheads are falsely-modest dick holes. Terrance McKenna, Joe Rogan, Timothy Leary, John Lennon, all of them.

How about Robert Anton Wilson, Ram Dass (Richard Alpert), and Alan Watts? These three seem to have a great deal of love, compassion, and wisdom, and each appears to have had positive affects from their trips.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:16:19 No.11731502
>>11731482
Well the first and the last of those are mine. The middle three are probably other fags.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:21:32 No.11731542
>>11731492
Alan Watts followed Zen Buddhism tho

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:23:47 No.11731553
Phillip K Dick said don't fuck with drugs, you should listen to him

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:24:49 No.11731557
>>11731542
He followed many things. In my experience at least, and seemingly Watts' as well, Buddhist practices and psychedelics take you to very similar places. The later lets you visit, the former potentially lets you stay there longer.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:28:43 No.11731586
>>11731553
this.

there was a spiritual awakening going on in the sixities but drugs kind of poisoned that awakening. thats my opinion. people, more and more had spiritual experiences and clairvoyant perceptions. LSD in particular seemed to be a shortcut for those experiences. it backfired badly.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:29:54 No.11731592
>>11731553

Philip K. Dick had a long history of mental abnormalities, and got into the most trouble with uppers like speed. His most troubling experience was likely not related to drugs, however. It was his visionary experience that lasted for two months in 1974, where he saw California melt away into Rome circa 70 a.d., and received information in the form of a beam of pink light which he experienced being beamed into his head. He spent the rest of his life trying to make sense of his experience. You ever read Valis? Well, it's not quite fiction. It's more of an autobiography. You can read the real "tractate" in the recently published volume called the Exegesis, which is an abridged version of his 9000+ page secret journal.

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OP 2013-01-02 21:30:16 No.11731597
>>11731553

Yeah, I read Valis and I started reading The Divine Invasion a little while ago. I really wish I could talk to that man.

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OP 2013-01-02 21:31:03 No.11731603
>>11731586

How would you say it backfired?

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OP 2013-01-02 21:32:43 No.11731612
>>11731592

Couldn't that experience have been the result of him messing with drugs?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:34:32 No.11731627
>>11731482
No. Stop trolling.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:39:22 No.11731646
>>11728629
What did it look like
Was the ass fat?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:39:53 No.11731652
>>11731612
Sure. Maybe it was a lingering ailment from the handful of times he tripped which resulted in a psychotic break. Or it was something broken in him from the start. Or he really did break through the illusion of time and received divine secrets. He was never sure himself, and as someone who has read most of his original Exegesis, I can't say either.

One thing I do know is that throughout history, psychedelics were a closely guarded secret, and only those people who the priest/shaman classes felt were ready were admitted to it. This was not because the chemicals flipped a "crazy" switch in your mind, but more that the individual had to be ready to receive the knowledge they could impart, and not be the sort of person who would run amok with it.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:41:50 No.11731665

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>>11728661
She looked at you like.., you're not perfect.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:49:37 No.11731713
>>11731612

I dunno, he was a weird dude pretty much his whole life. Wouldn't pin it all on the drugs

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 21:56:17 No.11731750
long story short, psychedics are not regular drugs, they are much more powerful and profound, they open up our minds to things everyday life probably wouldnt show us

also dmt causes dreams, idk why you guys think its not found in us (or rather, in the pineal gland or atleast the brain), its found in every living thing

>>11728465
loving and selfless person who has used acid and mushrooms (mainly just acid) reporting in

after my last acid trip (good acid finally came to town and the acid i was doing years back was realllyy weak) i had a spiritual awakening of sorts, and somewhere along the way either came to enlightenment or realized my purpose on the earth

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 22:11:02 No.11731858
>>11728661
I could be mistaken but wouldn't a higher being care about you even if you held a bunch of karma?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 22:12:01 No.11731865
I love this thread, since it's the first time I've seen so many people being so down and suspicious about psychedelics. Honestly, it's kind of refreshing. Not really because I quite agree, but it's a viewpoint not often expressed.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 22:14:15 No.11731879
>>11728661
If humans has no bastardity or rascality to them, they wouldn't really be human, would they?

In any case, it's my opinion you have some more thinking to do about what that look really meant.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 22:26:28 No.11731943
>>11731750
>also dmt causes dreams
>its found in every living thing

Can you produce a source? I'm going to assume that you're a dumbass until you can.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 22:27:12 No.11731948
anybody in here who has tried iboga/ibogain?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 22:29:01 No.11731958
>>11731750
>loving and selfless person who has used acid and mushrooms (mainly just acid) reporting in

This is what every one of those people in the post you replied to believed about themselves.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 22:29:13 No.11731960
>>11731943
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT or N,N-DMT) is a psychedelic compound of the tryptamine family. Its presence is widespread throughout the plant kingdom.[3][4] DMT occurs in trace amounts in mammals, including humans, where it putatively functions as a trace amine neurotransmitter/neuromodulator.[5]

Dreams are a theory, but DMT is found in the majority of organic lifeforms.

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 22:34:12 No.11731992
>>11731960

Where in either of those sources does it say that it's found in the majority of organic life forms?
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_article2.shtml

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 22:51:27 No.11732094
/x/ loves magic, except when they find rituals that kinda actually work

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 23:03:54 No.11732162
I'd love to hear from someone firmly in the "hell no humans shouldn't take visionary drugs" camp, and why

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 23:11:26 No.11732203
>>11731958
well im sorry you dont know them in person, or even me in person

but i am loving and selfless, and i try and be that way everyday, in anyway i can, you can say you're a bunch of things but it isnt until you act upon that you actually are

>>11731992
dmt can be extracted out of pretty much any plant

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 23:14:37 No.11732221
>>11732203
act upon them that you *

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 23:14:53 No.11732222
>>11732203

Then why do you need to order a specific type of tree bark online to do it?

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 23:20:05 No.11732245
>>11732222
nice quads

also ive heard of a certain type of grass being used
maybe because its the easiest to use, or the least difficult to extract it from

ordering some off the silk road would probably be easier though

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Anonymous 2013-01-02 23:37:13 No.11732344
>>11732222
... you don't?

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 00:07:29 No.11732479
>>11732344

Go to any drug community online and they will tell you a certain type of tree bark to use.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 00:30:03 No.11732611
>>11732479
I don't doubt that. However, there are a great many DMT containing plant combinations one can use.

"N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT or N,N-DMT) is a psychedelic compound of the tryptamine family. Its presence is widespread throughout the plant kingdom.[3][4]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine

Ayahuasca (ayawaska pronounced [aja?waska] in the Quechua language) is a brew of various psychoactive infusions or decoctions prepared with the Banisteriopsis caapi vine. It is usually mixed with the leaves of dimethyltryptamine (DMT)-containing species of shrubs from the genus Psychotria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 02:16:00 No.11733077
>>11732611

Psychotria. Fitting name.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 02:25:22 No.11733121
there is no true wisdom to be gained from any experience. Drop it

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:10:12 No.11733308
>>11732094
fuckin' A. There is loads of talk of many rituals that I doubt have unlimited repeatability, but a super strong psychedelic experience does have a reliable track record.

As Bill Hicks might say " And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years were rrreal fucking high on drugs."

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:15:12 No.11733325
>>11733121
LSD causes psychotic behavior in people who have not taken it. Why do I suspect we have a virgin in our midst?

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:22:05 No.11733350
>>11728448
>But having the experiences myself have made me question my own skepticism a little bit.

- EXACTLY! You answered your own post in the last line. Don't you think it's generally healthy to question parts of your psyche? This introspection can only be a healthy thing surely

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:24:43 No.11733362
>>11733308

What a fucking stupid thing to say. Bill Hicks doesn't know shit about making music.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:28:18 No.11733373
>>11733362
keep trolling.
but seriously, in your world there is ZERO connection between hallucinogens and the creative process???

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:32:34 No.11733388

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I don't know if we were MEANT to do psychedelics but I do think that we were meant for the opportunity if we choose we are ready for it... otherwise all of them wouldn't be here. It's an option we were all meant to choose; most say fuck no without research and others say fuck yeah without research. Not everyone is like that but unfortunately it's rare to find people that aren't on one extreme end of the spectrum.

Salvia completely changed my view on life- that shit kicked me straight in the ass of my own pysche, in a good way. I think it helped that I sort of bowed to the bowl before I hit it, it helped me calm down 'cause I was pretty nervous; the same nerves you get when you about to drop on a roller coaster. It was wayyyyy more terrifying than any roller coaster could ever be but I do not regret taking the ride at all. In that half hour that I was tripping I finally understood and FELT that what it means when you read "we are all one", "we are all connected" and "everything you see is an illusion". Inspiring stuff.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:33:53 No.11733393
You should look up Terence Mckenna some time OP. He was of the opinion that the use of psychedelics (mushrooms) is what first sparked man's self awareness, and that it is also key in our further spiritual evolution.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:40:23 No.11733413
>>11733373

There's some connection, but it's not nearly as vital as Hicks makes it out to be. I've listened to a lot of Hicks, and he just likes to justify his drug use any way he can. This is coming from someone fairly experienced with drugs and even more experienced with music.

People seriously overestimate how much music drugs create.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:41:41 No.11733417

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>>11728448
some scientists say out ancestors may have used psychedelics in the Stone Age. not just by accident, but with purpose. they may have even helped influence the evolution of the human brain from our Neanderthal forebears.

there are cave paintings in France, some 10,000+ years old, depicting hundreds of hand prints, like the tracers you get on psilocybin. and a single red dot.

the Eleusinian Mysteries of the ancient Greeks may have involved mushrooms, but definitely involved piling into cramped caves and firing up frank incense, which in concentrated amounts could easily cause mass hallucinations.

screwing with drugs to change our minds is a pastime.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:43:37 No.11733426
If the knowledge you've acquired brings you pain, then you aren't strong enough to know it. So in a way, yes, it is something you shouldn't be dabbling in and is "better left unknown"

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:46:21 No.11733436
>>11730888
about the ten strip thing. don't try to dance with the trees. you'll only scare the straights.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:49:52 No.11733451
>>11733426

If you are a strong enough person to handle drugs then you have an obligation to yourself to use them until you have gained everything you can from them.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:55:40 No.11733475
>>11733426
if the knowledge brings you pain, and it's true, then congratulations for stepping outside of your comfort zone to potentially grow as a person. don't be so quick to hide under the blanket again.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 03:58:54 No.11733493
>>11733451
But do it with respect for the plant/chem, as well as your own psyche.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:01:12 No.11733499
Do ayahuasca. It's different. It'll be my tenth exploration next month. It starts spiritual and breaks down into almost pure information. Give it a whirl before you believe in the paranormal.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:15:31 No.11733571
>>11728496

>agressive people, etc etc . . exist

You see? This shit pisses me off.

Somebody CAN still be a common psychadelic user and still hold onto their "aggressive ego". See: Native America. Tribes still warred with eachother, they still killed each other and took captives, eventhough many tribes were common psy users.

I'm former Army but have been using psy's my whole life. I guess one needs to realize that, although we can go out and explore the non-physical realms, we must not become too obsessed with them. We are three dimensional beings living in THIS plane of existence. To constantly dwell in other realms of existence is delusional.

That being said, holy shit psy's changed my life

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:26:45 No.11733633
>>11728465
>All the figureheads are falsely-modest dick holes. Terrance McKenna, Joe Rogan, Timothy Leary, John Lennon, all of them.
>figureheads
there's the problem. actual loving and selfless people don't tend to become figureheads because they don't seek attention. Attention-whoring faggots tend to become the figureheads because they thrive on attracting attention and controversy.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:27:25 No.11733636
>>11733571
I don't partake of any psychedelics but I agree with this big time. In fact, I take the Sony mindset to people using drugs. "Live in your world. Play in ours."

While you may be getting an awesome trip, and seeing, hearing and overall experiencing new things, and possibly different dimensions, that enlightenment won't mean shit if you're not surviving in our world. Your example of the Native Americans puts it in perfect perspective : They saw gods and new planes of existence and all sorts of amazing things, yet still knew that Running Bear down the ways may tomahawk them in the back of the head if they didn't go do it first.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:29:18 No.11733647
>>11733571
>We are three dimensional beings living in THIS plane of existence.
We are multi-dimensional beings living in ALL planes of existence. We just have been conditioned to shut out all but the first three
FIFY

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OP 2013-01-03 04:32:22 No.11733664
>>11733633

That's a good point.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:35:03 No.11733672
>>11733633
Or a good message. There are a few who don't "sell their souls" to sell their message.
Sometimes you're forced up to the plate.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:35:08 No.11733673
>>11733647
exactly! we're trapped. this existence is a prison & this life is our sentence. but what does a man do when there are no doors left to open & no windows to gaze upon freedom?

>he learns how to walk through walls

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:40:02 No.11733685
>>11733673
You teach my fatass how to walk through a wall while totally awake, with out drugs, and I'll never eat another cheeseburger again.

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OP 2013-01-03 04:40:11 No.11733686
>>11733673

But if we suck so much that we had to be imprisoned in this world the maybe it's best if we just stay here. What I we are poisoning the higher worlds with our negativity?

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:40:52 No.11733688
>>11728448
Psychedelics are tools, and the purpose of a tool is to be used. Granted, they are very powerful tools. There are many people out there who I wouldn't allow near a tablesaw. Likewise, people need to posses a certain level of mental fortitude and analytical ability to safely and effectively use psychedelics.

Personally, my experiences have all been very positive, and have helped me greatly in my understanding of my self and my experience of life. But psychedelics don't fuck around. They can often force you to deal with you problems and issues that you may not feel comfortable or ready to deal with. And if you can't handle that, then you probably have some growing up to do before you can fully benefit from the psychedelic experience.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:41:01 No.11733689
>>11733673
School or prison, your choice.
Limitation can spark learning and growth in a manner that other realms cannot even imagine.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:41:27 No.11733695
>>11733686
as above, so below. so below, as above.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:42:34 No.11733698
>>11728713
I did salvia once. mid tier i believe. it tasted like smoking gasoline - it was horrible. although, when i went to take a piss under a tree i looked up and there were shadow beings hunched over on all the branches looking down on me. i ignored them and finished me piss then left.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:45:31 No.11733708
>>11733689
So then how do other realms learn their lessons? Are their problems worse than the ones that we face in this reality?

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OP 2013-01-03 04:48:02 No.11733717
>>11733695

I start to wonder if someone has something real to say when they start responding with cryptic one-liners.

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OP 2013-01-03 04:50:08 No.11733733
>>11733708

Maybe they get sent here.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:50:29 No.11733736
>>11733717
He's half ass quoting a Tool song.
"As below so above and beyond I imagine, drawn beyond the lines of reason. Push the envelope. Watch it bend. "

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:50:56 No.11733741
>>11733417
>some 10,000+ years old

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21925-oldest-confirmed-cave-art-is-a-single-red-dot.html

close! just off by a few dozen millenia!

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:52:34 No.11733748
>>11733736
>He's half ass quoting a Tool song.

quod est inferius est sicut quod est superius, et quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:55:52 No.11733770
>>11733748
>quod est inferius est sicut quod est superius, et quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius

> Gives a half ass quote
> Gets accused of ripping off a song
> Gives a Latin quote as a defense
> Doesn't excuse the fact the initial quote was half assed, paraphrased until the point it was cryptic babble

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 04:56:39 No.11733777
>>11733708
>So then how do other realms learn their lessons?
Honestly can't say, my lessons in the other realms were always attached to lessons here.

>Are their problems worse than the ones that we face in this reality?
They certainly can be, dependent on how ones aligned. I've had an eternity of torture/bliss on LSD. It goes deeper, and can hit harder- but its easier to work your way out of.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 05:00:56 No.11733802
>>11733770
Are you retarded?
as above, so below.
Microcosm and macrocosm all that jazz, not simply a tool song.
Google the damn phrase

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 05:07:57 No.11733846
>>11733802

>Gets asked if he's retarded by a drug user claiming things that have no way of being proven with out drugs
> mfw.jpg

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 05:11:38 No.11733869
>>11733846
No, I'm calling you a retard because you're adamant that its a rip off of a tool song- rather than the ancient hermeticism phrase it is.

Or as >>11733748 wrote it in latin, part of the emerald tablets.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 05:32:47 No.11733969
>>11733869

I'm more adamant at the fact that in the way it was presented, it seemed like a rip off, and a bad ploy to cover up an answer you don't have with cryptic nonsense. While the original is all well fine and good in it's intended context, it was regurgitated as a nice little 'I don't fucking know, here's a cryptic quote' copout.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 05:38:48 No.11734001
>>11733969
Except that in the case of poising higher dimensions, its not cryptic. What is manifested in our reality is also manifested in the higher realities.

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OP 2013-01-03 05:51:49 No.11734085
>>11734001

Then why the fuck didn't you just say that?

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 05:59:27 No.11734150

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>>11728684
This gives me an idea. What if higher entities are as horny as we are and wait for people to open their 3rd eyes so that they can fuck us. like our third eye's are really multidimensional orifices that higher dimensional entities wait to open so then stick their trans-dimensional cocks in.

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OP 2013-01-03 06:05:45 No.11734205
>>11734150

I honestly think that this post makes more sense than most, if not all of the theories posted in this thread.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 07:05:55 No.11734555
>>11734150
This is one of the few things that i've read today that have made today one of the days worth living

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 07:28:10 No.11734677
I smoked DMT over the summer and my life has changed exponentially since then. I began doing better in college and became more honest with other people and myself. I also began smoking pot constantly though. I think it just destroyed my ego.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 07:35:10 No.11734701
>>11734150
god damn i lol'd so hard
best thread all day so far

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 09:51:56 No.11735296
OP, when you say pic related how do you mean exactly?

I've recently seen that purple eye (sans the triangle/background) when I was observing my eyes being shut. It even blinked. Never taken any illicit drugs in my life. Does it mean something?

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OP 2013-01-03 10:19:07 No.11735403
>>11735296

I'm not exactly sure. I just think it's somehow related to the whole inner-exploration thing.

I dunno man, I just feel like I inadvertently stumbled upon something that's way bigger than me and that symbol has something to do with it.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 10:40:38 No.11735473
There is a theory that psychedelic drugs are hallucinogenic - meaning creating visions, entheogenic - meaning generating the divine within and most importantly, these experiences can be seen as integreogenic, which is to say they create integrity. When you have a profound sense of connection with others you would never harm someone that is, in effect, another you, therefore you act with integrity.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 11:20:17 No.11735586
>>11734150
what if television is turning your third eye into a fuckable pussy?

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 12:24:25 No.11735729
>>11733325
shoot me. Im just stating the truth. mind wants meaning and psychedelics are just one way to feed it. It might give you peace of mind for a while, but sooner or later, you'll abandon it.

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 12:48:55 No.11735759
>>11731665
Nigger you just me b'aaww my fucking eyes out I can't take that episode man

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 15:09:25 No.11736243
>>11733969
get of /x/ then, faggot. read the board description: "roleplay the end of your world & shit mysterious phrases to piss off oh-so-serious retards."

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 15:33:47 No.11736303
From the times I've done psychedelics, nt very many times probably around 20 times, I've just learned about the universe. physics. and theories and whatnot, that make sense but i can only explain in my own mind.

Everyone else, though, you experienced some sort of other realm? And learned about our world or something??

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Anonymous 2013-01-03 22:51:18 No.11738523

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bump

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 01:35:47 No.11739733
>>11728448
>meant to
unless you are implying that something intentionally created us

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 05:38:05 No.11740869
>>11739733
There's the counterargument I was waiting for in this thread. If humans weren't "meant" to take certain things, who is doing the meaning? Why do the illiminatzis want me to do drugs and listen to the beatles anyway?

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 05:52:02 No.11740918
>>11731434

as basic and narrow-minded as this guy's post would seem, for some reason I like it

probably because I haven't done hallucinogens yet, but I plan on it as soon as I get my hands on some and find a good trip-sitter. I've been in a negative mindset and don't have much food around though so it'd probably be a bad idea. Neighbors would probably call the cops or something.

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 06:47:46 No.11741188
>>11740918
Yes, it does sound to me like that is a bad idea for you. Having paranoid neighbors will affect your experience. The negative mindset your ego is in will negatively affect the trip.

If you do decide to trip, I'd recommend finding somewhere secure, outside, and with a guide you trust with your life. Otherwise, you're gonna have a bad time.

Also, psychedelics come with required reading. Read as much as you can find first - trip reports, erowid.com FAQs, the shroomery's guide. And, as a personal recommendation, Alan Watt's "The Alchemy of LSD" talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJyT7WkRcZg

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 06:54:43 No.11741225
>>11740918
Eargh. Fine. For the good of the Internets I'll find the links I think are most important for the uninitiated to have read at least once, or better have read and considered well.

The Psychedelic Experience - This is a little mystical, especially for people who've never been in a similar state, but try to read the metaphors.
http://deoxy.org/psyexp.htm

The Psychedelic Experience FAQ by Gnosis and Nip : This is a compilation of community knowledge which covers a lot of practical considerations, and risks:
www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/psychedelic_experience_faq.shtml

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 08:13:33 No.11741593

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bump cos apparently this thread is less active than the one about "DID YOU SEE X NUMBER EVER? WTF!"

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 08:33:34 No.11741637
Op. Do rabbits, deer, squirrels, etc eat psychedelics? Then you are meant to. Some believe consciousness is caused by DMT produced in the pineal gland. (look up fluoride and the pineal gland) dr. strauss concluded some very interesting things about this thing our body produces and in fact is found in many many forms of life... What your currently experiencing is known as fractalization of the mind, and its a good thing. Welcome to the path toward enlightenment bodhisattva. Things only get stranger from here. Look up synesthesia. PS look up fly agaric mushrooms and santa. Then eat some and learn the celebration of winter....

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 08:53:03 No.11741703
>>11741637
this guy

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 09:45:20 No.11741866
Completely disagree about the whole "forbidden knowledge" thing. I've used Mushrooms, DMT, 2c-i, 2c-e, 2c-p, 2c-t-2, 4-ho-MET, 4-ho-MIPT, 5-MEO-MiPT, etc and almost all of my "knowledge" from psychedelics wasn't paranormal in sense, for me psychedelics were more of a total and very beneficial brain tuneup. Color returned to an otherwise dull and gray world, activities were more pleasurable than they were before, my thinking became much more positive and I think things through before getting irrationally angry much more often than I used to. Overall I feel like they've showed me how to properly use my mind resulting in a better quality of life overall.

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 10:11:54 No.11741953
>>11741866
See, this is the hippy shit we've all heard before. Doesn't anyone else want to tell me why these are so very bad for us, and why the powers that be want us to do more drugs? Please, someone try to convince me that magic plants are anything other than an awesome addition to our planet.

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 10:25:06 No.11742019

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So /x/, I never been high, the closest I have been to that sort of experience is piss drunk and that's just more like poisoning yourself into mental submission than getting a high. I have many friends that would be interested in smoking pot with me, but it feels like something better experienced on your own, otherwise it's really no different than your basic party drugs. My sister, who is basically in agreeance with all /x/ conspiracy theories has told me before that she never really had a clear thought until she tried pot, and that got me interested.

Thoughts?

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 10:29:12 No.11742038
>>11742019
Never smoked pot, eh?
What you still in highschool or do you live in the USA or UK

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 10:30:56 No.11742048
>>11742038
I live in Canada, only recently graduated high-school, while I was in high-school the thing was chewing tobacco and cigarettes, not pot.

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 10:32:38 No.11742054
>>11742048
Your obviously not from Ontario, stay Westren Alberta fag.

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 10:32:56 No.11742056

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>>11742019
There's plenty of time to smoke alone. Similar to tripping, I'd recommend having some friends with whom you can experience and share this new state, who can keep you from freaking out, and to laugh with.

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 10:33:52 No.11742061

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>>11742054
Sudbury, Ontario actually.

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 10:37:46 No.11742074
>>11742061
Sudbury too? Whoah man what highschool did you go to.
Odd stuff anyways.

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 10:41:22 No.11742083
>>11742074
Lockerby.

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 10:47:35 No.11742102
>>11742083
You should move from Sudbury it is pretty boring up there. Get out while you still can bro.

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Anonymous 2013-01-04 10:49:53 No.11742104
>>11742102
I thought about moving to Vancouver but I heard living expenses are really high and I'd need to find a steady career there before I moved.







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